twist on the ferrari fiasco

[Dave A]

No, I don't consider PD a "small" company, but it sounded better to say it the way I did rather than "PD and small companies". Doesn't roll off the tongue quite as well.

That said, PD is not a "large" company. They're no Konami, they're no Electronic Arts. They're not one of those companies that publishes a dozen titles or more per year. PD makes what... one game every three years? Their big advantage is that they have SCEI behind them.

PD as a company is part of Sony, so in that sense they are HUGE. As a development house they are also large, they have over 80 people working on one game, thats more than companies like EA will assign to a single game. As a develoment house they arn't on the same scale as EA but then you have to consider that EA is just a large number of teams under the EA umbrella, thoes individual teams don't have 80+ people in each. When it comes to finances which is more relevent to this debate, PD has backing from Sony, Sony pay most licensing fee's, they do a lot of the financial backing.

 

[Scaff]

Not sure on that one. I believe the Dino 308GT4 ended its production run as the Ferrari 308GT4. While it was never both a Ferrari and a Dino at the same time, I believe the 308GT4 can be found with either badge as original equipment, depending on its age.

I haven't checked this though. Maybe it was designed and developed as a Dino but went on sale as a Ferrari?

As for the VW / Porsche connection, many (often Ferraristi) even now will dismiss the Porsche 911 as just a fast Beetle, and the post stating that Porsches should be in the game because VWs are may have been a semi serious reference to this view...

Quite right and my bad (and strictly speaking appologies to L4S as well) the 308GT4 did carry the Dino badge between '73 and '76, becoming a Ferrari from '76 until its end of life in '80.

In my defence I have never been 100% with the 308 GT4 being classed as a Dino as it was V8 powered rather than V6 powered (and that to me and many others is the point of a Dino - Ferrari or Fiat it carried his engine).

The 308 is important as a Ferrari for the same reason, it was the first of the V8 Ferrari line that has now evolved into the F430.

I have to say that I also thought that the 308 was an ugly bugger in comparison to the Dino

Dino

Vs.

308 GT4

On the Porsche / VW issue, I think the fact that Porsche designed the 'People's Car' or Volkswagen, which formed the start of the VW company (i.e. he worked for them (or more accurately Adolf Hitler) on the design of the Bettle) long before he started the Porsche Motor Company is what causes the start of the problem, not then helped by the fact that they have worked together over a number of other projects.

The funniest one however was from back in the late 80s early 90s when Porsche were struggling and would licence the name to just about anyone, I can clearly remember Lada's and Seat's proudly wearing the 'System Porsche' decals on them.

Regards

Scaff

 

[Dave A]

I agree on the 308 issue, it didn't have a Dino engine, the whole point of the Dino was that it had the Dino engine.

And yes, Ferdinand Porshe was under orders from Hitler to design a peoples car, the result was the original VW Beetle, he later left VW and formed Porsche which was his own company, and yes in the 80's as good as they were, they struggled.

 

[ZeratulSG]

What fiasco? Let me set you straight. From a passionate standpoint, you probably wouldn't believe me if I state that you're not the only one who's wanted Ferrari in a GT game all to get "shafted." Want them? Find Ferraris in Forza and give us a break.

As far as getting them into the game under your logic, I'd re-read Post #6:

"By the same thinking, we should have got Lambourghini because it is owned by VW." -"DQuan," 8/1/2005

The way I think about this, it's no fiasco if PD can't secure Ferrari or Porsche licenses. Are you kidding this Houston boy named John (me)? Let me ask you. Do you think PD's ultimate goal for GT4 was to make the most mind-blowing GT game, or secure Ferrari licenses? What's more important, certain car companies in a racing game, or an incredible racing experience (arguable among many on these boards)? I am a Ferrari fan, but I don't really care seeing them in a GT game. If the GT franchise NEVER sees any of the big name European exotics, I couldn't care less. GT kind of teaches us that if you want cars with great performance, they don't have to be made by Ferrari, Porsche, Lamborghini, Maserati, Billy Bob's Automobiles, or whoever. You can have as much fun with a tuned Cizeta V16T (meaning LOTS of tuning), a Dodge Viper, a Ford GT, a Saleen S7, a Callaway C12, a Jaguar XJ220... I'm sorry. Ferrari isn't the only sportscar maker in the world. Who said driving excitement is exclusive to Ferrari, Porsche, or any other bigtime makes? The fact you call this a "fiasco" really infuriates me. So by your logic, PD's attempt to bring Ferrari into Gran Turismo 4 failed, so GT4 is a failure because there's no Ferrari or any other big name car makers. Is it a fiasco if Forza Motorsport had absolutely no Ferrari or Porsche? Does it really matter anymore?

No fiasco. I too wish there was Ferrari and Porsche, but even I can live without them in a Gran Turismo game. Besides, what's the point of 700 cars, even if none of them are Ferraris or such? And despite popular belief, 700 cars is 700 cars. If I'm wrong, make me your b*tch and set me straight.

Yes okay, but my personal problem with Ferrari not being in the game is this: GT is the most realistic driving sim I've played (no flaming please) and as a Ferrari fan, and someone who is unlikely to afford one in the near future, if ever, I would very much like to drive some of my favorite models in the most realistic driving sim I've ever played. That's it. I'll still buy the game without them, but it would be awesome if they could be added.

Oh and to whoever said PD/Sony couldn't/chose not to afford the licenses, that's lame. Many smaller companies with less cash and probably smaller potential sales have purchased these licenses, why not PD/Sony?

Ive always been a Porsche freak. At night i still mistake the new VW bug as a porsche most the time

Get yer eyes checked mate

 

[95GTIVR6]

I believe for Ferraris to fit perfectly in the Gran Turismo Series you would have to book the rights to both Lamborghini and Porsche (as well as others not mentioned). I mean, if you look at the cars that are in GT4, you have everything from a Mitsubishi Minica Dangan to a Aston Martin Vanquish. Having just Ferraris would seem quite pointless given the fact that few cars in the current GT can compete with them.

Honestly, i forget who posted it but I agree with whoever said that Ferrari made the mistake of charging too much (or whatever) for the license. It is free advertising to the public so why charge an arm and a leg to have their cars on the screen? Bad move on Ferrari if you ask me.

Im not sure if anyone will know for sure what exactly goes on when it comes to securing the rights to cars on a video game. However, like someone said before, if we arent careful, everyonewill have to own an X-Box to drive a Ferrari.

If I was PD I would deffinatley have tried to get Ferrari but wouldnt have over exhausted myself to get them. I would, only if I could have secured rights to other supercar manufacturers.

Oh yeah, Ferrari isnt overrated. They mean busisness!

 

[Woolie Wool]

Ferraris will face stiff competition from the Cizetas, Ford GTs, Pagani Zondas, Rufs, and other GT4 supercars.

 

[Dave A]

Theres LOADS of cars in GT4 that Ferraris would be pushing hard to beat, if they could beat them at all.

The top class is cars like the....
Saleen S7
TVR Speed 12
Jaguar XJ220
Ruf CTR2
Pagani Zonda C12s 7.3
ect

Then you'd have the 360 rivals like the....
Ford GT
Nissan R390 (all the cars I'm talking about are as untuned)
Other Ruf's
ect.

Ferrari's arn't the best performance cars in the world.

 

[Jedi2016]

Ferrari's arn't the best performance cars in the world.

That may be true, but you're forgetting one very important thing, mate.... It's FERRARI. It's almost more about the name than anything else.

I'm not saying that the game needs to have them... But it would definitely be nice.

 

[futuredrifter]

u have a point it really would be nice to have Ferrari's in the game and plus it would be nice twist to have in the gran turismo series.

 

[95GTIVR6]

Theres LOADS of cars in GT4 that Ferraris would be pushing hard to beat, if they could beat them at all.

The top class is cars like the....
Saleen S7
TVR Speed 12
Jaguar XJ220
Ruf CTR2
Pagani Zonda C12s 7.3
ect

Then you'd have the 360 rivals like the....
Ford GT
Nissan R390 (all the cars I'm talking about are as untuned)
Other Ruf's
ect.

Ferrari's arn't the best performance cars in the world.

Yeah I knew I would get a response like this. anyways though, it is deffinatly apparent that in GT4 there is a lot of history and we all know that Ferrari carries a lot of history on its shoulders. I dont know if it would have made a difference in that aspect or not but it could have been a factor.

Who knows though, the only companies represented well for used cars or classic cars were Japanese makes with a few from UK and US so maybe not having Ferrari wasnt too bad for KY

 

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