Un-Ban SrRd Racing...

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Here's my verdict on what SrRD Racing did. He acted out and got punished.

Imagine you have a good little teenage boy, but one day someone says something wrong to him and he beats the **** out of the other kid?

NO SPECIAL TREATMENT.

Or say if Famine decided to tell everyone to get the **** out of the Forums, with a threat he could delete us all and went on a ban spree (stereotypical, I know...)

NO SPECIAL TREATMENT.

Let's move on, I'm pretty sure Jordan ended the last SrRD Racing thread with "let's close this chapter on GTP"

How about we do that and listen to those superior?
 
How about we do that and listen to those superior?
Just because someone is your superior doesn't mean they're always right.

This time, without a doubt, they are right.

As for Famine telling everyone to get the 🤬 out of the forums and going on a baan spree, something tells me that he'd still have plenty of people to talk to. Even if they're all in his head.

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I wish you guys would stop sucking up to the mods. Yes, they made their decision and SrRd's banning was completely justifiable.

...But come on, a permanent ban is a bit harsh. You don't disown a family member just because they did something rude, stupid and very much unlike how they normally behave.

The logs speak for themselves. If an upstanding citizen decides to kill someone, the judge wouldn't let him of as he'd been such a good guy before. (extreme analogy i know)

Incidentally, where/what is this chat?

Very extreme analogy. A better one would involve an upstanding citizen committing a petty crime, such as shoplifting a candy bar. A slap on the wrist should be all that's necessary, i.e. a temporary ban in SrRd's case.
 
You don't disown a family member just because they did something rude, stupid and very much unlike how they normally behave.
I might be off a few here or there, but the chat log Jordan posted had 62 intentional misspellings of **** to bypass the swear filter, not counting the ridiculous amount of GTFO's. Sixty-two times in the span of a few weeks, most of which were in 5 days.

At a site that doesn't allow profanity at all.
 
I think a suspension would be more appropriate. Until GT5's release. If he cares about GT5, don't let him get any info about it until it gets released.
 
TB
I might be off a few here or there, but the chat log Jordan posted had 62 intentional misspellings of **** to bypass the swear filter, not counting the ridiculous amount of GTFO's. Sixty-two times in the span of a few weeks, most of which were in 5 days.

At a site that doesn't allow profanity at all.

Well it's unfortunate that the mods, who apparently could see this was going on the whole time, waited a span of a few weeks to take action against SrRd. 👍
 
...But come on, a permanent ban is a bit harsh. You don't disown a family member just because they did something rude, stupid and very much unlike how they normally behave.
You must have a super understanding family then. I know plenty of folks who would have been kicked out of their parents' homes if they constantly talked like the chat logs.
 
Wait, WHAAT???

Didn't know Srrd was banned. I know exactly how he was in the chatroom, and as unruly as he had been, I don't think he should be banned. Or at least allow him to re-register, because, knowing him, he'd never do that ever again, as he loves GTPlanet and GT5 too much to ever risk not being able to go on GTPlanet again.
 
Wait, WHAAT???

Didn't know Srrd was banned. I know exactly how he was in the chatroom, and as unruly as he had been, I don't think he should be banned. Or at least allow him to re-register, because, knowing him, he'd never do that ever again, as he loves GTPlanet and GT5 too much to ever risk not being able to go on GTPlanet again.
Re-registering is, from my knowledge, what helped lead to the perma-ban. If you get banned, wait until it's lifted. Re-registering just undermines the mods authority.
 
There have been members that have been banned but came back with new profiles. It's ok though in these situations, since these members are now model citizens of these forums. The mods know who they are, you may or may not know who they are. They came back to whipe the slate clean, and that they have. SrRd Racing came back to spam the forums asking why he was banned in the first place. He lost the privilage to come back again.
 
he'd never do that ever again, as he loves GTPlanet and GT5 too much to ever risk not being able to go on GTPlanet again.
Clearly not, otherwise he wouldn't have done it in the first place.
 
He was never aware from the beginning that he would get in trouble for indecent language in the chatrooms, as far as I know. If he knew, i'm sure he'd have stopped.
 
He was never aware from the beginning that he would get in trouble for indecent language in the chatrooms, as far as I know. If he knew, i'm sure he'd have stopped.
Ignorance isn't a defense.
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Well it's unfortunate that the mods, who apparently could see this was going on the whole time, waited a span of a few weeks to take action against SrRd. 👍
Would you mind letting me know exactly how you know what discussions regarding behaviour were going on with SrRd and for how long that occurred?

Simple answer is that you don't, so please do not imply knowledge if a specific situation that you don't have.

All moderation activity is carried out between the staff and the members in question, just because you don't see action does not mean it isn't happening.




There have been members that have been banned but came back with new profiles. It's ok though in these situations, since these members are now model citizens of these forums. The mods know who they are, you may or may not know who they are. They came back to whipe the slate clean, and that they have. SrRd Racing came back to spam the forums asking why he was banned in the first place. He lost the privilage to come back again.

Quite right.

Not only did he come back and spam the boards in an attempt to gain enough sympathy to try and force a return, but he failed to even apologies for his actions and failed to even acknowledge the scale of them.

His claim to have simply been a bit rude in the chat logs as banter were to be blunt a lie. Banter does not involve persistent and repeated abuse, bullying of other members, impersonating the site owner, threatening to ban members while doing so, homophobic and racist comments and to top it all off sexual comments regarding kids.

His scale of AUP violation in the chat logs were more than enough to ban him many times over, let alone the spam and denial that his attempted return was characterized by.


Tell an attorney that and he'll laugh. People don't know all the laws of the states. That's why they're in existence. Same with mods... =/
I very much doubt that an attorney would laugh at that, rather confirm to you that ignorance is no defense (give it a go in court and see how you get on).

Its also completely incorrect as a statement here at GT Planet, you are required to agree to follow the AUP when you join and failure to read the AUP before agreeing to it is not the fault of the site nor a defense for breaking the AUP.

That aside I would have to ask why anyone would believe that the forums would be so firm on the AUP but we would discard all that in the chat area?

I will repeat what I said in the other thread, he did what he did because he was clearly under the impression that we did not monitor or have the ability to recover the chat logs, something he was sadly mistaken about.

To allow a member who has shown such a clear disregard to the site, its rules, owner and most importantly its members back would be to set a very dangerous precedent.



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Well it's unfortunate that the mods, who apparently could see this was going on the whole time, waited a span of a few weeks to take action against SrRd. 👍
This isn't the case. We get the chatlogs sent to us, but no single moderator has the time to check them on a daily basis, and it's only when something is spotted that old logs will be reviewed. The case against SrRd was not orchestrated, and neither was anyone waiting for him to rack up enough infractionable material to justify him being instabanned. In reality, when his most recent transgressions came to light, the chatlogs were reviewed and it became apparent that SrRd had made something of a habit of abusing the chat facility. The idea that anyone in the moderation team was "waiting" on anything is simply false.

Re-registering just undermines the mods authority.
Perhaps more importantly, it leads to a gradual (and sometimes not so gradual) deterioration of the forums in general, which undermines the confidence and enjoyment of everyone, especially new members. It really isn't about moderator authority at all, but the integrity of the forums and facilities such as the chat room. It is somewhat of an open secret that re-registering is tolerated to some extent - but with one very important proviso... the attitude and/or behaviour that resulted in the ban gets left at the door. Most importantly, however, no-one is guaranteed to be accepted if they re-register after being banned - indeed, it's the exception rather than the rule.

In this case, there was an unfortunate additional factor, and that was the fact that SrRd had accrued enough infractionable material in the chatrooms (unknown to any moderators) to justify a banning until Christmas 3107. Therefore, he bypassed the normal route of warnings (private message, polite warning, less polite warning, 10-point infraction, 29-point infraction, ban). This resulted in a straight ban, which also resulted in the somewhat unfortunate situation where he was unable to read the (slightly redundant) private message that is automatically generated upon such an infraction, that a banned member can't access (which is due to the forum software being the way it is.) So, not only was he instabanned, he didn't get a reason or an explanation at the time.

TB
Ignorance isn't a defense.
True... the chatrooms do have a pretty clear warning that they are moderated to the same standard as the forums, and a long-serving member ought to know what the AUP entails.
 
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Well it's unfortunate that the mods, who apparently could see this was going on the whole time, waited a span of a few weeks to take action against SrRd. 👍

You should be careful as you've just stepped on very rocky ground. I hope you have something to back up that accusation?

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Therefore, he bypassed the normal route of warnings (private message, polite warning, less polite warning, 10-point infraction, 29-point infraction, ban). This resulted in a straight ban, which also resulted in the somewhat unfortunate situation where he was unable to read the (slightly redundant) private message that is automatically generated upon such an infraction, that a banned member can't access (which is due to the forum software being the way it is.) So, not only was he instabanned, he didn't get a reason or an explanation at the time.


I understand/agree with all you wrote. I don't think yaywalter meant that the mod staff "ambushed" the banned user (SrRd) but that somehow, and even though the chatlogs could be reviewed, no action was taken for a period of time long enough to get to that "instant ban" being a necessity.

I guess yaywalter must remember that mods (and Jordan) have a life outside these forums, so sometimes things can go under the radar for a while.

Anyway, I also think there's a lesson to be learned by the mod team and even Jordan about the proper procedures in situations of "instant ban", to avoid a situation like the one you described (above quote). I guess the email account given in the registration process could be used to this effect.
 
I think it should also be pointed out that GTPlanet is financially supported by the many sponsors that Jordan secures based partly on the quality of the site and the AUP, if they were aware that they were affiliated with such abusive content they may withdraw their sponsorship and financial support from the site which ultimately effects us all.
 
I read the logs, and the banning was necessary.
I want to see what his GF or wife thinks of the "wood in childs face"...
Good play mods and Jordan.
Rules apply to all of us. don't want to follow them, go troll on an other forum!
 
I never like seeing a productive member get banned. However, in such a case, I'd have been even more strict. I'd have administered a perma-ban immediately.
 
One question

Why on earth is this thread still open? :confused:
 
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Why on earth is this thread still open?
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I read the logs, and the banning was necessary.
I want to see what his GF or wife thinks of the "wood in childs face"...
Good play mods and Jordan.
Rules apply to all of us. don't want to follow them, go troll on an other forum!

Wouldn't be suprised if he didn't have one...

I'm sorry, but after leafing through the files Jordan gave us, what on earth is the entertainment in the GTFO game - please? Rudely telling people to go away and then laughing when they do because you think they went because you told them to but really becuase they want to distance themselves from the jerk at the other end of the line which so happens to be yourself?

And then he carried it on for that long? Really? GT5 would keep him entertained for a lifetime if the GTFO game kept him going as long as it did.

And then he came back and tried to defend himself instead of stick his hand up and admit that he was wrong?

Yah - real cool. Bring this valued member who starts plenty of fresh, new, exciting and insightful threads back.....
 
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I understand/agree with all you wrote. I don't think yaywalter meant that the mod staff "ambushed" the banned user (SrRd) but that somehow, and even though the chatlogs could be reviewed, no action was taken for a period of time long enough to get to that "instant ban" being a necessity.

I guess yaywalter must remember that mods (and Jordan) have a life outside these forums, so sometimes things can go under the radar for a while.

Anyway, I also think there's a lesson to be learned by the mod team and even Jordan about the proper procedures in situations of "instant ban", to avoid a situation like the one you described (above quote). I guess the email account given in the registration process could be used to this effect.
There is no "procedure" by design. Every situation is different, and I have the freedom to react to each one differently. I was deeply offended and disturbed by what I saw, did not want him on my site any longer, and now he is gone.

It should be noted the Acceptable Use Policy intentionally avoids discussion of our warning/infraction system. Warnings and infractions are little more than a way for us to keep track of what a user has done and to remind them that they must be accountable for their actions here. The volume, length, and severity of SrRd's abuse was so overwhelming that his membership privileges were revoked immediately.
 
Seems like the open discussion goes around in circles, no?
-Why is he banned?
-It was harsh to just banned him as he was a great contributor?
-He did so much for this and that...
then it all goes back to
He should have followed the Acceptable Use Policy /end Thread!

There isn't much open discussion as I see it, what is done is done and Jordan and the mods have done what needed to be done.
What's next we will get one of these as another member is banned?
 
The AUP isn't all what it's cracked up to be either... Needs some work done. Mainly parts added to it about a certain chat we have as well as forums.

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* You will post all messages in English. - See this way too much. Actually, there is a thread about KY's twits or whatever you call them.
* You will not use “textspeak” (“r”, “u”, “plz”, etc.) in your messages. Decent grammar is expected at all times, including proper usage of capital letters. Also Common
* You will not behave in an abusive and/or hateful manner, and will not harrass, threaten, nor attack any individual or any group. Seen this in here.
* You will not knowingly post any material that is false, misleading, or inaccurate. Also happens with people joking about GT5
* You will not post or link to content that is obscene or sexually oriented. You right... but it still happens. People interpret what they want right?
* You will not use profanity in the forums and chat? , nor link to content which contains offensive language without sufficient warning. Makes sense considering the Forums are public and the Chat is mainly for members. "
 
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