Unofficial 'Bored' JGTC driver's "Run Around the Ring 'o roses" Challenge

[HondaRacer]

Well, I just completed another run in the Garaiya:

Best Lap: 6'55.632
Total Time: 57'05.843

I love my new ride!

 

[Nuvolari]

Did I say this is frustrating? Well, if not, it BLOODY FREAKING IS!

So, how do you make a pit stop, when you WANT to make a pit stop, and have the tires changed??? It did the forced pit entry on the end of my third lap, which had some dirties on it, but it did NOT do it on my first lap, which also had some dirties on it, and it also did NOT do it on my second lap where I was forced into that wall on the left before T1 by the FTO, and I proceeded to push back on him so we both lost some time there.

Basically, how does this Forced Pit Entry crap work?

To make a deliberate pit stop, you'll need to identify the pit entry. At the Nurburgring it's hard to see as you come up the hill to the esses before the right turn onto the pit straight.

When you enter the pits the display will flash options for you to select. use the left side directional toggles to up-select. You can yes/no for fuel, change or retain tire types, and switch to B-spec which of course you'll not want to do. Stay cool and be deliberate to make your selections, then toggle back down and click okay. Then relax for a bit and breathe deeply while the boys do the work.

There are several tracks where the pit entry can almost be as tricky as the track. One or two tracks have pit entries that are as hairy as the Gasometer hairpin at Monaco. You'll find it's important to be as quick as possible getting in and out of the pits, so maybe before you start track practice or testing, try practicing pit stops.

Then there's all the issues of tire testing and pit stategy and......

 

[Nuvolari]

Well, I just completed another run in the Garaiya:

Best Lap: 6'55.632
Total Time: 57'05.843

I love my new ride!

Just wondering, since the Garaiya is a bit mysterious, at what rpm do you make your shifts?

 

[KLR142]

Thanks for the responses guys,

And yes it's a bloody frustrating challenge! And I devised it, so blame me! But I'm suffering too!
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Great way to spend time getting to know your ride though, init?

I blame you! Yes, yes indeed it is though. I'm VERY glad you set this up so I can learn all these JGTC type things before we actually get started. 👍

It will almost always cost you time if you can't get around cleanly.
[...]
Regarding the cobbles and alligator teeth on the Nurgurgring, you'll almost certainly be quicker if you keep both your tires on the black stuff. There are places where you can barely clip the teeth, but there are many places where you'll get launched, and so staying away from the alligator teeth is best, at least until you learn which ones are dangerous.

That's the thing, I've only been doing the WRS, where the goal is to get around everyone as fast as possible usually. This will take some getting used to, because I don't like giving up time, but, I'll do what I have to!

About the cobbles and etc, are you suuuuuure I'll be quicker? I've got a pretty good idea of the ring, and can go around it pretty darn fast... I'll have to try it out though, normally I use a good few of the rumble strips for the straighter line and can carry much more speed and use less time. I'm more worried about the increased tire wear caused by the bumpy nature of it all though, and the bumping onto and off of them.

I think I'll have to go and try going into the pits correctly instead of trying to learn how it works during the race. Maybe it's just been because I've been forced into the pits every single time that I haven't seen the options screen thing that should be popping up...

Then there's all the issues of tire testing and pit stategy and......

Actually, I think I had that figured out the first day I got my car picked out. I was practicing on the ring, and then I found this, so that was even more perfect. RH/RM for the first six laps, with a pit stop in the middle, and then RM/RM for the last two. That's what you did on your latest run, correct?

 

[HondaRacer]

I try to shift the Garaiya at around 6500 rpm. It seems to drive smoother and a bit quicker this way.

I feel special driving a "mysterious" car.

 

[Nuvolari]

Actually, I think I had that figured out the first day I got my car picked out. I was practicing on the ring, and then I found this, so that was even more perfect. RH/RM for the first six laps, with a pit stop in the middle, and then RM/RM for the last two. That's what you did on your latest run, correct?

Nope.

That's what I mean about tire testing and pit stop strategy and.....

 

[Tyre King]

Leaderboard updated!

Neil

 

[IcemanGER]

"staying away from the alligator teeth is best" ....that's damn funny, ROFL! I find the reason to stay away is that we are running in Arcade Mod and have no chance adjusting the suspension ! The car is set to very hard, low and stiff.
"Trying to pass more than one car at a time is a mistake" ...not quiet right, I always take the 3rd. and 2nd car at once. Works fine after some practice. They always run the same line and if you get used to it, it's not that hard to get by....*clean*

I'm glad that BTTW opened this thread. Very nice way to get used to your ride !!! No pressure except Nuvolari's time...grrrrrr j/k
I'm still working on it without any improvement. I might have to get back to the original gearing and see what difference it makes.

Here is a little explanation on "Umlauts" lol ....cuz I have the same first name and I have lots of experience with people and the english language. Very hard for you guy's.

with Umlauts: Jörg Müller
You can split the umlauts, "ö" = oe and "ü" = ue, that would look like this: "Joerg Mueller" !

cheers
Joerg

 

[KLR142]

Well then! I finished my first real race earlier... Managed NO contact with the AI somehow, while still managing to go pretty fast, (well, I think so anyway,) on the first lap. Managed to stay completely clean until lap 6 where I had some issues, and lap 7 I had one as well. There were NO forced pit entries on me though, so does that mean I'm fine?

Total Time: 56'44.090
Fastest Lap: 6'53.662, meh

 

[KLR142]

Eh, I guess that doesn't count then. Just went back and looked at your first post Neil. I scraped a wall with my side on lap 6. *sigh*

 

[HondaRacer]

Regarding wall contact, I think you should consider whether or not you would be able to continue racing in real life. Being an hour long race (and especially driving on the 'ring at top speed) it seems only fair to allow a realistic amount of contact. This race is only for fun anyways, so I personally wouldn't throw an entire run based on a minor spin or a slight tap of the barrier. Just my 2 cents.

 

[IcemanGER]

RULES : Standard Online Racing rules for clean racing.

2 wheels on track at all times
Rumble strips are part of the track
No wall riding
No wall touching
No short cutting
No cheating of any kind

Those are the rules when racing in JGTC ! This little shootout is a bit different . I would say you better get used to the real rules. It'll save you time and headaches !

 

[HondaRacer]

[tourettesguy]PIIIIIIIIIIISS![/tourettesguy]

I know the rules. This is only an exhibition race, so I figured things were a bit more leniant.

 

[IcemanGER]

[tourettesguy]PIIIIIIIIIIISS![/tourettesguy]

I know the rules. This is only an exhibition race, so I figured things were a bit more leniant.

go figure eh !? How about reading ?
....and KLR142 had a few quesions about the rules, there are some other people here, who don't know the rules 💡

 

[eatsviper4lunch]

RULES : Standard Online Racing rules for clean racing.

2 wheels on track at all times
Rumble strips are part of the track
No wall riding
No wall touching
No short cutting
No cheating of any kind

Those are the rules when racing in JGTC ! This little shootout is a bit different . I would say you better get used to the real rules. It'll save you time and headaches !

Those are the rules




RULES : Standard Online Racing rules for clean racing applied at all times.

Qualifications :

2 wheels on track at all times
Rumble Strips are part of the track
No wall riding
No wall touching
No short cutting
No Cheating of any kind


RULES : Standard Online Racing rules for clean racing applied when ever possible.

Race :

Minimum of 2 wheels on track
Rumble Strips are part of the track
No intentional AI contact
No wall riding
No wall touching
No short cutting
No Cheating of any kind



The difference is huge.

 

[HondaRacer]

Whoa, whoa. Okay. I know what the deal is man, I'm not gonna cheat or anything! Yikes!

 

[eatsviper4lunch]

Whoa, whoa. Okay. I know what the deal is man, I'm not gonna cheat or anything! Yikes!

uuhh so what are you talking about now? I was stating to Iceman the difference between the qualif and the race rules...it's got nothing to do at all with this challenge.

 

[IcemanGER]

Just to clear things up around here !

KLR was asking lots of questions about the rules etc. After a few Q's I jumped into on of Ev4l's threads and copy paste the rules. Too bad I didn't copy the 2nd part. And "yes" this thread runs just for fun, but guy's who are new to the series, like my self, need to know the actual rules we'll use. My post was more meant for KLR not Hondaboy ! I have no explanation why he's thinking that it's all about him !

.....and what does this mean:
[tourettesguy]PIIIIIIIIIIISS![/tourettesguy]

is this some kind of ghetto lingo ???

 

[eatsviper4lunch]

I see ejr_1 that you've got your signature all ready for S2. Don't expect to see the same amount of 1-2-3 like last season now.

 

[HondaRacer]

uuhh so what are you talking about now? I was stating to Iceman the difference between the qualif and the race rules...it's got nothing to do at all with this challenge.

LOL whoopsy. And the "piiiiiiiiss" is a reference to www.tourettesguy.com

 

[SHigSpeed]

Well, you can basically trash my first splits. Definitely wall contact and 4 off. Tried to race again to clean it up.

Ran RM/RM on my first stint to help cut through the AI and all was going pretty well. Second stint on RH/RH and still okay but I had some slight offs but nothing egregious.

Pitted, selected "no fuel", OK, then OUT IN B-SPEC! Dammit! Gotta get used to that. Wasted 35 minutes or so...

Oh well, don't know if I'll have a chance to do a full clean run. This sure is tough!

-SHig

 

[KLR142]

KLR142 had a few quesions about the rules

Yes I did! Thanks!

So, just to get this all cleared out in my mind, so I don't waste time when we actually get started...

Qualification is a one lap sort of deal, and it has to be 100% OLR clean, just like the WRS. During races, you're EXPECTED to be 100% OLR clean, but offs and contact are ok as long as you weren't trying to do it, and you were trying to avoid it, and it's not beneficial to your race. Correct?

I really do appreciate this, guys.

And Honda, I don't think of this pre-season practice race as something more lenient than the actual series will be, just we don't have to post replays or be official about it. I picture it as a way for everyone to get used to their car, and for all the new guys to learn everything about the series asap, instead of having to deal with unknowns when we're trying to get down and real dirty with the racing. I don't want to submit something that's not going to count, and only because I didn't know about it not being legal. That would SUCK.

So, on that topic, here are a few more things. During the actual races and such, is talking about setups and pit strategies and what not, discouraged? Should everyone be basically on their own(except for teammates working together of course), I assume yes... Which is the opposite of the WRS, so that's why I'm asking.

And the other thing. Fuel strategies... Does running it low make a difference in how the car is balanced front to rear? Is it different on every car? Have you guys used that before to go faster? Like set it up so you're out of fuel basically at the end of a race, or does it not really have an effect?

THANKS!!!

 

[Nuvolari]

And the other thing. Fuel strategies... Does running it low make a difference in how the car is balanced front to rear? Is it different on every car? Have you guys used that before to go faster? Like set it up so you're out of fuel basically at the end of a race, or does it not really have an effect?

THANKS!!!

You're going to find that in GT300 fuel is normally not much of an issue. One important point though, is that if you need fuel it will be only at your last pit stop, and you'll only need a small amount. So when you come in you'll leave the fuel at YES, but when the pit crew has added just as much as you think is necessary to finish, tap your X button and fueling will stop. Just keep your eye on the fuel gauge and when one or more LEDs light up click the X button. It obviously takes more time to top up to full and you'll never need to do that.

Regarding whether or not fuel adds "weight", I personally haven't seen any evidence that it does, but if you follow the above fueling procedure it won't be an issue anyway.

Regarding chatter about setup, etc, during the JGTC events, you may find that most of these guys are pretty serious and don't carry on much about anything. They will have their own ideas about how to select tires and decide on pit strategy, and they may not necessarily want to share that information. So unlike the WRS "races", where the constant and worthless goings on about sector times merely illustrate the playing of that famous game of "Can you top this?", the JGTC guys are a little more serious about things. Race time is everything and sector times are something that drivers watch to see if they're on pace.

(Small note here: In JGTC races, fast laps pay points, so drivers sometimes plan to try for a quick lap at some point during the race and that point might be during some ideal lap where the tires are at optimum condition, and then they may settle back to a race pace where percentage of effort is just slightly less than 100%.)

As I've mentioned before, testing is really paramount to decision making on stategy. As you may have noticed here, it's revelant to determine tire wear and corresponding lap time, and pit stop time. Generally if lap times are comparatively long and pit stops are comparatively short, you might want to stop more often, and vice versa. And you may find that it's worth the risk to run one more lap on worn tires to eliminate another stop, even though it may reduce your race time by a very small amount of time but it will improve your average lap time during that stint.

I will even note the "loss" of first lap time by the number of seconds that click off before I even pass the start/finish line since the counter starts when the first car crosses the line.

So, sometimes intuition may play a part in your decisions on strategy, but you might be better off testing more rather than less for tire wear and changes in average lap times per stint. This approach can turn out to be a fair amount of work.

Think about it if you like.

 

[HondaRacer]

So basically, my biggest question is: For the official JGTC series, are walls considered "hot lava" (touching the wall in any way results in immediate disqualification)? That would seem a little harsh, although if it is the rule I am definately willing to comply. I'd just like some clarification.

 

[Tyre King]

See post 75 by Eats, one page back!

RULES : Standard Online Racing rules for clean racing applied at all times.

Qualifications :

2 wheels on track at all times
Rumble Strips are part of the track
No wall riding
No wall touching
No short cutting
No Cheating of any kind


RULES : Standard Online Racing rules for clean racing applied when ever possible.

Race :

Minimum of 2 wheels on track
Rumble Strips are part of the track
No intentional AI contact
No wall riding
No wall touching
No short cutting
No Cheating of any kind

Also post 1 by me.

8 laps of the Nurburgring,
AI @ +10 & racing hards (default)
Tyres= RM's or worse
Tyre wear @ STRONG
Penalty @ forced pit
Time limit @ none
No wall contact, or shortcutting, minor off's allowed as long as no time is made up by it, nothing that goes against the spirit of the series

Nuff said!

Neil

 

[eatsviper4lunch]

Qualification is a one lap sort of deal, and it has to be 100% OLR clean, just like the WRS. During races, you're EXPECTED to be 100% OLR clean, but offs and contact are ok as long as you weren't trying to do it, and you were trying to avoid it, and it's not beneficial to your race. Correct?

Right on. 👍 Racing is racing, I do not expect anyone to pull a 1h race totally error free that's rediculous.

 

[HondaRacer]

Alright, so in other words, wall touching is not advised, but you shouldn't throw an entire run based on a minor error.

Thanks for answering my question.

 

[KLR142]

See post 75 by Eats, one page back!

Also post 1 by me.

Nuff said!

Neil

Neil... I think you're missing it. For the qualification only, which is a one lap hotlap, you have to be 100% OLR clean at all times. For the actual races, like the one you have setup, we have to be 100% OLR clean when ever possible.

 

[KLR142]

QUOTE=NuvolariYou're going to find that in GT300 fuel is normally not much of an issue. One important point though, is that if you need fuel it will be only at your last pit stop, and you'll only need a small amount. So when you come in you'll leave the fuel at YES, but when the pit crew has added just as much as you think is necessary to finish, tap your X button and fueling will stop. Just keep your eye on the fuel gauge and when one or more LEDs light up click the X button. It obviously takes more time to top up to full and you'll never need to do that.

Regarding whether or not fuel adds "weight", I personally haven't seen any evidence that it does, but if you follow the above fueling procedure it won't be an issue anyway.
Thanks
Regarding chatter about setup, etc, during the JGTC events, you may find that most of these guys are pretty serious and don't carry on much about anything. They will have their own ideas about how to select tires and decide on pit strategy, and they may not necessarily want to share that information. So unlike the WRS "races", where the constant and worthless goings on about sector times merely illustrate the playing of that famous game of "Can you top this?", the JGTC guys are a little more serious about things. Race time is everything and sector times are something that drivers watch to see if they're on pace.
Hey now, be careful there. Don't hate on the WRS, just because we work together to get everyone to improve their driving style and their speed does not make it a stupid little game of can you top this. That hurts man, that hurts. I'd be no where near as fast as I am without the WRS. And it's fun. You don't have to be on top to have fun.
(Small note here: In JGTC races, fast laps pay points, so drivers sometimes plan to try for a quick lap at some point during the race and that point might be during some ideal lap where the tires are at optimum condition, and then they may settle back to a race pace where percentage of effort is just slightly less than 100%.)
Good to know.
As I've mentioned before, testing is really paramount to decision making on stategy. As you may have noticed here, it's revelant to determine tire wear and corresponding lap time, and pit stop time. Generally if lap times are comparatively long and pit stops are comparatively short, you might want to stop more often, and vice versa. And you may find that it's worth the risk to run one more lap on worn tires to eliminate another stop, even though it may reduce your race time by a very small amount of time but it will improve your average lap time during that stint.

I will even note the "loss" of first lap time by the number of seconds that click off before I even pass the start/finish line since the counter starts when the first car crosses the line.
So we're all supposed to do that then I assume? In that case, my time for this race would be even faster by a couple seconds? How accurate can you get though by guessing where you cross the line and when the timer "would" start?
So, sometimes intuition may play a part in your decisions on strategy, but you might be better off testing more rather than less for tire wear and changes in average lap times per stint. This approach can turn out to be a fair amount of work.

Think about it if you like./QUOTE
I most definitely will think about it. Thanks for filling me in on this new world of OLR. 👍

 

[ejr_1]

Neil... I think you're missing it. For the qualification only, which is a one lap hotlap, you have to be 100% OLR clean at all times. For the actual races, like the one you have setup, we have to be 100% OLR clean when ever possible.

No, I don't think he is. This is an unofficial race, so ATM, it's not run by Eats. It is run by Niel, and if we want to race in it, we race by his rules, which clearly state that we cannot touch the walls, or take short-cuts. It's the same way in an official race, but Eats gives us some room to play with, hence the:

when ever possible.

It doesn't mean we shouldn't worry about hitting walls and the like, but if we do, it's not such a big deal. In your head, the walls should be off limits no matter what your doing, and no matter what the rules say.