Unofficial 'Bored' JGTC driver's "Run Around the Ring 'o roses" Challenge

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KLR142
What top speed setting did you use? I was using 280...

So, what's the deal with hitting AI? As in them bumping into you, hogging the skinny road, etc...?

And how does this pit entry thing work? I was just doing my lap, wasn't planning on pitting yet, and I got pulled into the pit on my second lap! But, the funny thing is, it just went straight through the pits????

And then, on the third lap, I was dozing off... I haven't been getting enough sleep lately, so I just went to bed, lol.

Yeah, the game decides if the contact was either your fault or too severe. And then forces a pit run-through on ya!
Only problem is if your tyres are shagged, and you were going to pit anyway. In this situation you end up having to run an extra lap on ruined rubber!

I feel it's a lot better than the WRS contact rule, in a race situation.
IMO - Rubbing is racing!

And I'm going with 280-300 top-speed when I finally get to run this for a second time.


BTW guys!

Have a temp leaderboard in 2nd post (only got 3 times so far), still need pointers on how to do it better!
Make it in Excel and import it somehow?:dunce:

Neil

*edit*
Cool link Andy, straight to our car huh!
 
Ballstothewall
Yeah, the game decides if the contact was either your fault or too severe. And then forces a pit run-through on ya!
Only problem is if your tyres are shagged, and you were going to pit anyway. In this situation you end up having to run an extra lap on ruined rubber!

I feel it's a lot better than the WRS contact rule, in a race situation.
IMO - Rubbing is racing!
Ah HA! That's awesome!

EDIT: I forgot to mention, I think your tire choice was a very good one... I think the S tires could still be used, because even with RED tires, I can STILL do a clean lap around the 'Ring! These cars are just soooooo forgiving with all that downforce. Even without the tires, they still have traction! Just a bit less... :)
 
Nuvolari
How did you get so much time off from your first run?
:sly: as I mentioned in my first post.....the whole 1st run was more or less a big screw up. Had to get used to the car and of course the Ring. Wasn't running there for a looooooong time.
Nice time there "Nuvolari" !
I don't think to be able to challenge it. I knew, when I picked the Impreza, that it will be good for tight track's and not too good for long full throttle straight-away's. We'll see. I might try a different car like the Apex, what was my 2nd favorite.
 
Update in the rules coming, IF you guys like the sound of them!

I have been reading all of your posts and think it would be fun to change things up a notch!

AI Changes!

None!
Set AI to +10 & racing hard tyres(default)

Driver's Changes

You may if you wish, use ANY of the cars from your class!
And
Submit times with them!

Your entries on the leaderboard will be grouped together, sorted by your fastest final time!

This way we can all see if we have made the right choice in rides!

Let me know if you like the changes or not!
I'll give it 24 hrs to see how ther land lies.

Neil
 
IcemanGER
:sly: as I mentioned in my first post.....the whole 1st run was more or less a big screw up. Had to get used to the car and of course the Ring. Wasn't running there for a looooooong time.
Nice time there "Nuvolari" !
I don't think to be able to challenge it. I knew, when I picked the Impreza, that it will be good for tight track's and not too good for long full throttle straight-away's. We'll see. I might try a different car like the Apex, what was my 2nd favorite.

I was amazed that my one stop time was so slow, since I had never timed a pit stop at the Nurburgring and the car still felt pretty quick on the fourth lap on hard tires.

If you think you'd like to try another car, I might suggest the Garaiya. The key to driving it is to shift early, at about 6500 rpm or even less. It is a very sticky car and is overlooked as a winner.
 
so if started the race on r3/r2s thinking the r3s would last until lap 4 then needed to pit on the last lap, i couldnt switch r4/r4s for the last lap?
 
Nuvolari
If you think you'd like to try another car, I might suggest the Garaiya. The key to driving it is to shift early, at about 6500 rpm or even less. It is a very sticky car and is overlooked as a winner.

Naaa, I'm using a DS2 and manual trans will get me into the walls. Challenge#1, I used manual b/c of that and it made a difference. I also will stick to my car now and focus on it. That's the whole reason we have a little competition going here. I'll change gear settings and try to attack your time again.
@BTTW, I would say, we should keep it as simple as possible. Stay with the AI on hard tires to keep it even for all of us.
 
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so if started the race on r3/r2s thinking the r3s would last until lap 4 then needed to pit on the last lap, i couldnt switch r4/r4s for the last lap?
I assume you are refering to the proposed rule changes?

Had a nice explanation of the proposed rule changes here, but then had second thoughts.

Keeping it simple may be the way to go!

Yeah!

AI set to +10 and racing hards!

and

We can only use RM's or harder.

Sod it! Why make things complicated.

Neil
 
This is my first experience with long, multi-lap, arcade mode OLR with competitive AI and tire wear save for a couple of WRS races with similar setups. Nothing as long as these races will be.

It's gonna interesting racing I fear... I tried the 'Ring a few times and kept punting the AI or hitting walls, and with "Pit In" penalty, you don't know when a hit is too hard. I'll be practicing with speed limiter penalties for a while to get a feel for it.

So non-time-saving "offs" are okay, non-penalized hits/rubs are okay. This will be the operating image for the entire season then?

It may be a while until I get a full 8 laps in here...

:^\

-SHig
 
SHigSpeed
This is my first experience with long, multi-lap, arcade mode OLR with competitive AI and tire wear save for a couple of WRS races with similar setups. Nothing as long as these races will be.

It's gonna interesting racing I fear... I tried the 'Ring a few times and kept punting the AI or hitting walls, and with "Pit In" penalty, you don't know when a hit is too hard. I'll be practicing with speed limiter penalties for a while to get a feel for it.

So non-time-saving "offs" are okay, non-penalized hits/rubs are okay. This will be the operating image for the entire season then?

It may be a while until I get a full 8 laps in here...

:^\

-SHig

Well Shiggy,

These settings for the contact and minor off's were used in the official pre-season challenges.

So I just went with the flow.

Seems like a more realistic attitude than set in WRS ( not that I am objecting in any way)

But
Rubbing is racing!!!!!!
And a real-life driver's race isn't over if they go off the track in a minor manner. (as long as they don't hit a wall, that is), is it?

Neil
 
Ballstothewall -

thats how my race went and i was refering to intial rules ... but, if that runs not legal then ill have to redo it but this time in a gt500. the re rx7 needed to be pushed hard to show personality :(
 
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Ballstothewall -

thats how my race went and i was refering to intial rules ... but, if that runs not legal then ill have to redo it but this time in a gt500. the re rx7 needed to be pushed hard to show personality :(

The softest tyre you can use are Race Mediums......Full Stop!

Not being difficult or anything but i have thought about it, and tested it, and thought some more after reading some posts.

But the rule stands

RM's or harder!

Neil
 
SHigSpeed
This is my first experience with long, multi-lap, arcade mode OLR with competitive AI and tire wear save for a couple of WRS races with similar setups. Nothing as long as these races will be.

It's gonna interesting racing I fear... I tried the 'Ring a few times and kept punting the AI or hitting walls, and with "Pit In" penalty, you don't know when a hit is too hard. I'll be practicing with speed limiter penalties for a while to get a feel for it.

So non-time-saving "offs" are okay, non-penalized hits/rubs are okay. This will be the operating image for the entire season then?

It may be a while until I get a full 8 laps in here...

:^\

-SHig

The JGTC Administrator, Mr. EatsViper(s)ForLunch, over at the Official JGTC Threads, will provide all details of all Official JGTC Rules and Regulations, in due time.
 
Haha, this is an awesome challenge... I tried a 1 stop strategy in the S2000 and came up with...

Total: 58'04.693
Fastest Lap: 7'03.227
 
Update:
55'49.763 :D

6'45.863 :eek:

***clean***

That's my final time with the Subby I put in. My eyes must be square and don't ask me about my thumbs !
 
w00t! I tried out my official car for this season, the ASL ARTA Garaiya, and I came up with 57'32.573 total time. My best lap was just under 7 minutes, a 6'59.782. This was driven when I was half asleep too!
 
Okay, this is REALLY eating into my WRS time!!

Pitted on laps 3 and 6. Ran RH/RH, RH/RH, RM/RM.

Fastest lap 6'24.xxx
Total Time 53'43.775
Margin of victory ~1'20 or so...

BTW, this time is with some really ugly driving and definitely not WRS clean...

Oh, and the replay ends on lap 6 or so so I can't get the margin of victory or the exact fastest lap time (lap 8). How are we supposed to record laps at the end of long races?

Sorry for the newbie JGTC Qs!

-SHig
 
IcemanGER
Update:
55'49.763 :D

6'45.863 :eek:

***clean***

That's my final time with the Subby I put in. My eyes must be square and don't ask me about my thumbs !

Pretty impressive. You took twenty seconds off your previous race time, which is two and a half seconds a lap, and five seconds off your previous quick lap time. You took almost a full minute off your initial race time and nine seconds off that initial quick lap time. Whatever did you do wrong on the previous fast time, or what did you do right on this new fast time?

(Addendum to the above: So I found out how you're so fast. I took several laps in the Subaru and realized how quick it is. That extra 30 horsepower makes a difference. I'm absolutely amazed at your 6' 45.9" lap.)
 
Re-inspired by Iceman, I have made my final attack on this course, and these are my absolute last times set:

Race time: 55' 43.017"
Quick lap: 6' 51.120"

All settings as per prior attempts. Improvement resulted from slightly abusive gearing change.
 
SHigSpeed
Okay, this is REALLY eating into my WRS time!!

Pitted on laps 3 and 6. Ran RH/RH, RH/RH, RM/RM.

Fastest lap 6'24.xxx
Total Time 53'43.775
Margin of victory ~1'20 or so...

BTW, this time is with some really ugly driving and definitely not WRS clean...

Oh, and the replay ends on lap 6 or so so I can't get the margin of victory or the exact fastest lap time (lap 8). How are we supposed to record laps at the end of long races?

Sorry for the newbie JGTC Qs!

-SHig

You don't need the margin of victory for JGTC results. You will have to pay attention to your quick lap time throughout the race, then hit the pause button at some point and write it down, then finish and record your race time, and almost certainly save the replay. You will need to provide pit stop information and tires used, along with comments about any other incidents.

To get an idea of what's required, you might check the threads like the "JGTC Round 10 race and results", and look at the time submission format. You might also look at the qualifying results thread for that same race to see what's required.
 
Dang Nuvolari !

You got me again, but why is your fastest lap so slow ? I might jump in the car one more time. Would like to try a different strategy this time.
l8r

Nuvolari(Addendum to the above: So I found out how you're so fast. I took several laps in the Subaru and realized how quick it is. That extra 30 horsepower makes a difference. I'm absolutely amazed at your 6' 45.9" lap.)
Tires, they make a big difference !
 
IcemanGER
Dang Nuvolari !

You got me again, but why is your fastest lap so slow ? I might jump in the car one more time. Would like to try a different strategy this time.
l8r

Actually I was fairly proud of my 6' 51.120" lap. In these long races I ALWAYS keep my mind on tire management. The cost of running the tires too hard is much too great a price to pay. Being gentle on the tires will always help when the laps wind down. So I try to never overdrive it and get the tires sliding.

I may go sit down and just watch as many lap times as I can, and I'll list them in here somewhere, along with maybe a few comments and segment times. One thing I will say is that if I don't get a really good first lap I'll re-start. I've about got to be leading by Adenauer Forst, even if it's the FTO I'm chasing. If it's the Subaru I've got to overtake him before Schwedenkreuz. Then it's stay smooth and don't give up any more momentum than necessary. The first lap has got to be fast or I'm wasting my time.

Actually I was a little surprised at the big improvement by just changing the gear. I usually am pretty easy on the little Altezza since it's fairly torquey, and I don't like to scream the motor, but it was significantly quicker though rattling in pain starting down from Antonius.

The Subaru really should be faster. It drives well and seems to have lots of power. The only thing might be that it could be a bit rougher on the tires than the Altezza, which stays fairly consistent even with the tires hot.

The old "slow down to go fast", you know.
 
Nuvolari,
Exactly what I've experienced ! At my first attempts I used the tires pretty evenly. As I was pushing harder my tires on the front are toast after 2 laps. So, my inn-lap is very slow b/c of the destroyed front tires. I also changed the gearing and am not using the 6th. Remember, I'm using a DS2 and auto trans. Usually I'm right behind the FTO at Aremberg and stay there till we get to Adenauer Forst where I take him under breaking.
 
IcemanGER
Nuvolari,
Exactly what I've experienced ! At my first attempts I used the tires pretty evenly. As I was pushing harder my tires on the front are toast after 2 laps. So, my inn-lap is very slow b/c of the destroyed front tires. I also changed the gearing and am not using the 6th. Remember, I'm using a DS2 and auto trans. Usually I'm right behind the FTO at Aremberg and stay there till we get to Adenauer Forst where I take him under breaking.

Hmmm........

I'd think the six-speed would be a major advantage. The Altezza is hurting in a few places because of non-ideal gearing.

My times between T-10 and T-11 are right at 24.9", every lap, which tells the story on horsepower since that section takes the most steam. I did have three laps at 6' 51.xxx, all within six-tenths, but with three stops I only had those three clear laps, so the Altezza is pretty consistent.

So it sounds like you're getting more variation in times than I am. If you could just put together more of those rocketship laps......

And I may take one more shot at it. I got something in mind but it's almost certain not to work.

And I'm getting a little pooped.
 
Okay, so I did give it one LAST shot. And my experiment worked. You can probably easily guess what the idea was. So simple.

Here are the ABSOLUTE FINAL times:

Race time: 55' 29.563"
Quick lap: 6' 46.066", within two tenths of Iceman's quick lap. (This was the last lap, and it had to be. Can you guess why?)

All prior settings remain the same.

(There was a bit of a "Win it or Wear it" attitude with this one.)

Now it IS beer and the Laz-E-Boy.
 
Wow this is frustrating. Does forced pit entry make it so I have to go in the pits when I go off as well? I got forced into the pits the first lap, either because I got forced into the left wall right before T1 by the Skyline, or because the stupid FTO wouldn't get out of my way until more than halfway through my lap... So, I was forced into the pit that first lap, then I went OFF on the exit of the pit because it was going to fast/I wasn't expecting to turn back on the track so soon. Not only that, but the FTO passed me back right there. What a pain in the a$$. That lap I was forced into the pit again, and I never touched the FTO. Whatever. Back to it I guess. I'll take heed of the pit exit though. When the Skyline and I are side by side, and I was clearly pulling on him, and was ahead of him when he bumped me into the wall on the left, is that clean enough by JGTC standards? And, when I do go off accidentally, like right after the pit, that's legal too, correct? Considering the Forced Pit Entry crap penalizes me for it?

EDIT: The Altezza definitely gives up a bit on this track due to its high strung NA/no torque nature that's stuck with a 5 speed...

EDIT2: Does staying off of the rumble strips/cobblestones noticeably increase tire life?
 
:grumpy: Did I say this is frustrating? Well, if not, it BLOODY FREAKING IS!

So, how do you make a pit stop, when you WANT to make a pit stop, and have the tires changed??? It did the forced pit entry on the end of my third lap, which had some dirties on it, but it did NOT do it on my first lap, which also had some dirties on it, and it also did NOT do it on my second lap where I was forced into that wall on the left before T1 by the FTO, and I proceeded to push back on him so we both lost some time there.

Basically, how does this Forced Pit Entry crap work?
 
Basically, it works by judging whether you have hit something hard enough to cause damage.

If you rub a car, or lightly graze a wall, or the AI taps you in the ass (no funny comments, please!) then there is no forced pit.

If the contact is hard enough to cause damage, or deliberate, then you get a forced pit run-through.

Off's do not trigger the penalty, only contact!
Remember the rally tests in the licence centre? Same thing, but instead of triggering a speed limiter it's a pit run-through.

And yes it's a bloody frustrating challenge! And I devised it, so blame me! But I'm suffering too!

Just done a lovely 7 1/2 laps, only for the missus to stub her toe nearby, start swearing, and I looked round to see what the emergency was..............

Guess what happened next? :banghead:

Nevermind, just yet another hour of my life I won't get any benefit from...:lol:

Great way to spend time getting to know your ride though, init?

Neil
 
KLR142
Wow this is frustrating. Does forced pit entry make it so I have to go in the pits when I go off as well? I got forced into the pits the first lap, either because I got forced into the left wall right before T1 by the Skyline, or because the stupid FTO wouldn't get out of my way until more than halfway through my lap... So, I was forced into the pit that first lap, then I went OFF on the exit of the pit because it was going to fast/I wasn't expecting to turn back on the track so soon. Not only that, but the FTO passed me back right there. What a pain in the a$$. That lap I was forced into the pit again, and I never touched the FTO. Whatever. Back to it I guess. I'll take heed of the pit exit though. When the Skyline and I are side by side, and I was clearly pulling on him, and was ahead of him when he bumped me into the wall on the left, is that clean enough by JGTC standards? And, when I do go off accidentally, like right after the pit, that's legal too, correct? Considering the Forced Pit Entry crap penalizes me for it?

EDIT: The Altezza definitely gives up a bit on this track due to its high strung NA/no torque nature that's stuck with a 5 speed...

EDIT2: Does staying off of the rumble strips/cobblestones noticeably increase tire life?

All you have to do is drive like you would if those were real cars with real drivers, and if it was a real race. Part of the fun of the JGTC is learning how to get around all the other cars cleanly, by planning your moves. And especially at the Nurburgring, it's fairly easy, most of the time. Just be patient. It will almost always cost you time if you can't get around cleanly. Waiting just a bit is far better than trying to crash your way through. If that was you in the stupid FTO, would you be moving over and saying, "After you..."?

On the forced pit entry, if you "tap" a car from the rear, you may not get penalized. If you do much more than that, you'll find yourself in the pit lane. The best plan is to stay away from the other cars until you can cleanly pass them, especially on the start. Trying to pass more than one car at a time is a mistake. You also might keep it in mind that in some places if you pass, the car you just got by may ram you at the next braking point, and you'll get penalized. Keep an eye on your mirror if you get in this situation and move over to keep the other guy from driving up your bumper.

Exiting the pits at the Nurburgring you might want to be gently resting your foot on the brake, and then only using it enough to smoothly make your turn onto the track, and then gassing it up. Do this once or twice and you'll get the hang of it.

Regarding the cobbles and alligator teeth on the Nurgurgring, you'll almost certainly be quicker if you keep both your tires on the black stuff. There are places where you can barely clip the teeth, but there are many places where you'll get launched, and so staying away from the alligator teeth is best, at least until you learn which ones are dangerous.

One of the great things about the JGTC is that Eats has set it up so that it is as near to real racing as it can be. You may find that trying to drive with that in mind will lead to some real satisfaction with your performance. Not everybody can win, although you'll find that Eats will certainly make it possible for nearly everybody, but if you drive well and cleanly, and in the spirit of the JGTC, you'll enjoy it much more than you might think.

I have a great explanation of how to drive the Nurburgring by BMW factory driver Jorg Muller (sorry no umlats). It's too big to be an attachment so I'll try to find the url and post it here. It's a .pdf file and is well worth downloading and reading, slowly.

This should be the correct url:

http://members.chello.be/sf15211/nordschleife.pdf.

You can google "The Nordschleife Line" with the single word "Muller" and find it. It is a fairly big .pdf file.
 
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