I don't blame Romain Grosjean for his accident in Bahrain.
That the Button the kept Hamilton extremely honest? You expect someone who was very inexperienced at the time to operate at that level? Cut the guy a bit of slack. He may not be much better than a upper midfield driver, but he wouldn't be the first to flower late.To add my own point but following on from @Liquid's point, Red Bull don't want Perez to upset the Max camp* and it's for the same reason Mercedes keep Bottas.
*My unpopular motorsport opinion is that Perez is only a good midfield driver and that the Racing Point is a faster car than what even Checo shows. He gets reckless when under pressure (recent example vs Gasly (iirc) in Portimao especially against his team mates (recent example Ocon). He'd get found out at Red Bull.
We've had this whole Perez to a big team thing before. Its like people can't remember 2013. Alright the Mclaren was a dog that year but he didn't exactly outperform Button did he?
That the Button the kept Hamilton extremely honest?
You expect someone who was very inexperienced at the time to operate at that level? Cut the guy a bit of slack. He may not be much better than a upper midfield driver, but he wouldn't be the first to flower late.
I like Bottas as a person, he just seems like an all around nice guy. From what I can tell, he also did get shafted by his streak of unluckiness for the past four races in a row, and then some heading further back the calendar, usually due to damage of some sort. With that said, he has also botched his start for a couple races now, sending him into the pack behind from either the front row or pole position, where he struggles to overtake. I don't know how easy of a "fix" it is to improve one's race pace, but I always like to root for the underdog.Cut Bottas some slack.
Brazil was boring until the Safety CarsI prefer wheel to wheel battles in the dry like Brazil 2019 rather than wet chaos like Germany 2019 (F1)
Vettel is the most overrated driver of all time.
Vettel is the most overrated driver of all time.
Is Ferrari the most overrated team of all time?
Eh... I think Vettel falls into the Fernando Alonso side of things. Obviously could wheel a car, but could not communicate what was needed for the team to build him a fast race car. Also, he is seemingly so mentally fragile that once a teammate was allowed to compete, he’d just wilt.
If Vettel's history shows anything, it is that Mark Webber was a much better driver than anyone wants to give credit to.
Yes, I know Vettel had Raikkonen as a teammate for a big chunk of his Ferrari run, but I feel Kimi was never fully committed to F1 on his return. Though, to be fair, Kimi has never really left one with a sense he was truly committed to anything.
But ultimately the rules at the time catered to what Red Bull had created, and the likes of McLaren and Ferrari just could not counter during those years. I thought the 4 year stretch was going to be such dominance we would never see again. Well, wasn’t I wrong?
The other question Vettel’s Ferrari career has raised is, what kind of team is Ferrari? Is Leclerc truly destined to just be the next Massa?
Overall, I’m not sure I would call Vettel a top 10 all time driver, but overrated? Wasn’t until the tifosi got ahold of him did I feel the media ramped up coverage of him.
4 World Championships says otherwise. A decent driver can fall lucky and win a championship when all the planets align or when better drivers fall over themselves to loose one, but 4?
Vettel is fragile and needs everything to be in his favour, otherwise he can look very average.
I wouldn't class him as one of the top 10 drivers of all time, but then outside of Germany i don't think many would.
People who say Vettel is overrated didn't see last half of 2012, 2013, 2015, 2017 and the first half of 2018. Vettel came 2nd in the WDC when it was was decided with an upgraded F14-T (definitely would've won in a Mercedes). Would've won 2017 if not for Ferrari's ******** in the Asian part with an inferior car (don't say anything about Singapore, any sane driver would've done the same thing in his situation). He completely obliterated everyone in 2013 and won in a Toro Rosso exclusively on merit.
To say he's not an all time great is purely ********, the only thing he lacks is car adaptability.
Does this seriously censor swearwords? Lol
The Toro Rosso at Monza was literally the best car. I don’t see anyone hailing Maldonado as the best driver ever for winning in a Williams in 2012 but people keep spinning that Monza win as some kind of fairytale. All Vettel had to do was not crash.People who say Vettel is overrated didn't see last half of 2012, 2013, 2015, 2017 and the first half of 2018. Vettel came 2nd in the WDC when it was was decided with an upgraded F14-T (definitely would've won in a Mercedes). Would've won 2017 if not for Ferrari's ******** in the Asian part with an inferior car (don't say anything about Singapore, any sane driver would've done the same thing in his situation). He completely obliterated everyone in 2013 and won in a Toro Rosso exclusively on merit.
To say he's not an all time great is purely ********, the only thing he lacks is car adaptability.
Does this seriously censor swearwords? Lol
To say he's not an all time great is purely ********, the only thing he lacks is car adaptability.
Vettel is fragile and needs everything to be in his favour
the only thing he lacks is car adaptability.
If you think Ferrari was better in 2017 or 2018 you're just delusional. Mercedes were just better in the whole of 2017 and Ferrari were nowhere in the second half of 2018. Plus Vettel had had to constantly question Ferrari's strategies on the fly (which Hamilton also does, but in a perfectly harmonious team). To say Vettel is a one trick pony is ridiculous considering the fact he would've cruised to the championship in 2015/17 if he had a Mercedes.The Toro Rosso at Monza was literally the best car. I don’t see anyone hailing Maldonado as the best driver ever for winning in a Williams in 2012 but people keep spinning that Monza win as some kind of fairytale. All Vettel had to do was not crash.
Yeah and no bud, any sane driver doesn’t pull such an aggressive move at the start of Singapore. That’s why Hamilton won in 2017 and 2018 because he didn’t do any such stupid moves and kept it clean.
Yeah, obliterating everyone in a year where your car was the only one that could compete with the changed tyres. Such an achievement lmao
That’s literally THE reason WHY he’s not an all time great. If you need every single thing down to your liking and can’t perform otherwise you’re just a good driver in certain conditions. Hamilton, Alonso, MSC, Prost, Senna etc. all succeeded and performed in various teams and circumstances. The moment the planted V8s and blown diffusors are gone Vettel keeps underperforming and spinning every season. He was a one time wonder and couldn’t win in 2017 and 2018 when Ferrari was better. Stop saying the Mercedes was better, every single expert said Alonso would’ve won both those titles. I don’t see anyone saying the Red Bull was bad because Albon sucked in it, that was down to the driver. Same story for Vettel.
2017 was probably the one that Lewis would've won either way
HmmHe was a one time wonder and couldn’t win in 2017 and 2018 when Ferrari was better. Stop saying the Mercedes was better, every single expert said Alonso would’ve won both those titles.
Hahahaha, no.every single expert said Alonso would’ve won both those titles
Just goes to show this guy has no idea what he's talking about