Unpopular opinion: Bin the VGT category

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I wouldn’t say remove them from the game or never make another in the future, some of them are kinda cool as concept cars and fun to lap around tracks too.
Though the majority of them in my opinion are very unappealing and/or disappointing to use. They could be better if you had the ability to make more adjustments to a lot of them or even change the wheels/spoilers.
Aside from 3 of the most expensive cars in the game most of the VGT were the last for me to buy.
 
They aren't even OP or Meta in online so for Single Player stuff I enjoy them but online I do think they have to go. They are just padding out the lack of GR 3 cars and Gr4 cars
There are 0 Gr.4 VGT’s with a total of 33 cars to choose from in Gr.4,
Out of 49 Gr.3’s, 5 of those are VGT’s…

Hardly padding out those categories at all
 
because they're completely useless

This race seems popular...



and uninspiring.
I would disagree with your creatively bereft subjective opinion.

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There are 0 Gr.4 VGT’s with a total of 33 cars to choose from in Gr.4,
Out of 49 Gr.3’s, 5 of those are VGT’s…

Hardly padding out those categories at all
But the gr4 cars that are in the game are largely made up for the category? In that they are poor representations of them.

And while the Alfa 155 isn't a VGT it's hardly a Gr4 car in comparison.

Of the Gr3 cars there are split category cars and the rest are quite old...

So having road going concepts is cool. Having race category cars is higher on my agenda but everyone has there own mileage on these things.

I just think at the cost of more retro stuff like original Renault 5 turbos, S1/2 Turbo escorts the lotus Carlton coming back. Things like the fantasy Ferrari VGT take those things away.

But everyone like different things in the game.
 
I don’t race online, but is this car not meta any longer?

It's not at the top 1000 or 3000 in the global leaderboards or my friends list. Now 911s are everywhere and the Supra or GTR are meta in GT3, CLK-LM in daily C.

Apart from a weird week where the Suzuki VGT was quick the metas are not vision cars.
 
I personally really like the VGT program, but I do desire for more of the future VGTs to also fit into a group, like how Genesis is supposedly coming out with a VGT that can race in Gr.1. (On this note, I really want to see a Gr.1 hybrid version of the Jaguar VGT SV.) It'd also be nice if we got a new Pininfarina VGT - perhaps under Pininfarina as an actual brand alongside the Battista - rather than the scrapped Fittipaldi Motors EF7.
 
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But the gr4 cars that are in the game are largely made up for the category? In that they are poor representations of them.

And while the Alfa 155 isn't a VGT it's hardly a Gr4 car in comparison.

Of the Gr3 cars there are split category cars and the rest are quite old...
They aren't VGT's though, they're based on real production cars
I just think at the cost of more retro stuff like original Renault 5 turbos, S1/2 Turbo escorts the lotus Carlton coming back. Things like the fantasy Ferrari VGT take those things away.
This is a licensing issue not a PD resource issue, in fact PD barely put any resources into VGT's compared to real cars due to the manufacturers providing most if not all of the modelling.

The issue is some people have thought "why isnt X car in the game" and instead of rational thinking and understanding about how licensing works they think its VGT's taking up resources and thus "they're useless".
I agree they are limited in their tuning but they aren't useless as you can drive them, if they were just models to look at in a game then sure they're useless but that isn't the case.
 
Most of the VGTs, while not exactly my favourite cars in the game, I don't think are doing any harm by being there now that they are indeed there. It's not like there's a flood of new ones that are going to come and "take up spots", so to speak. And a couple of them are really nice - drive the Ferrari VGT sometime if you haven't, it's a lovely car.

Personally however, the Chaparral is the one and only car in the game that I think GT would be better for not having. That one in particular crosses the line from "extreme concept car" to "straight-up science fiction".
 
Personally however, the Chaparral is the one and only car in the game that I think GT would be better for not having. That one in particular crosses the line from "extreme concept car" to "straight-up science fiction".
I'd say that goes for the ItalDesign too, considering it lacks any doors or windows. Unless it's meant to be an RC car?
 
I would not bat an eyelid if these fantasy cars were removed. Forza doesn't have such a ridiculous program and has very few fantasy cars (pretty much a few FE models, that's it).

PD not only have VGTs but PD tuned vehicles like the Silvia touring car etc.

I'm sorry I can't believe that licensing is an issue. They are a multi million dollar gaming studio that can pretty much get any licenses they want. The fact that they may not want to pay the asking price is a different matter altogether.
 
But the gr4 cars that are in the game are largely made up for the category? In that they are poor representations of them.

And while the Alfa 155 isn't a VGT it's hardly a Gr4 car in comparison.

Of the Gr3 cars there are split category cars and the rest are quite old...

So having road going concepts is cool. Having race category cars is higher on my agenda but everyone has there own mileage on these things.

I just think at the cost of more retro stuff like original Renault 5 turbos, S1/2 Turbo escorts the lotus Carlton coming back. Things like the fantasy Ferrari VGT take those things away.

But everyone like different things in the game.
This is exactly what gets on my nerves about the different classes in GT. You have Gr.4 which is a mish mash of VGTs, PD tuned vehicles and a few real world GT4 cars. But then you have some GT3 cars which are categorised as Gr.4.

Then Gr.1 consists of the likes of McLaren VGT and Ferrari VGT pitted against severely underpowered Group C dinosaurs from the 80s like the 962c. Unless you do further tuning and tweaking to it, it's useless. You'll be lucky to reach mid field in the rankings.
 
Glickenhaus and Lotus want to have a word
Funny that Kunos were able to pay for Glickenhaus and Lotus. Funny how Lotus is in Crew Motorfest and Forza and has been in numerous other racing games. But poor PD just can't reach an agreement with them. Most likely it boils down to not wanting to pay what they consider a fair price.
 
Funny that Kunos were able to pay for Glickenhaus and Lotus. Funny how Lotus is in Crew Motorfest and Forza and has been in numerous other racing games. But poor PD just can't reach an agreement with them. Most likely it boils down to not wanting to pay what they consider a fair price.
Funny how you think because other studios are willing to pay and PD aren't that it isn't a licensing issue when it is
 
Funny how you think because other studios are willing to pay and PD aren't that it isn't a licensing issue when it is
Well by your own post it's not a licensing issue it's a money issue.

Those companies want to be in games....they can't agree on a fair value (money)
 
People recreating the BMW art cars on the BMW VGT sure shows how inspiring they were!
The ability to continue this hobby was the majority of the reason for me getting GT7, which was (so far) the only reason I got a PS5. The presence of the BMW VGT is pretty much a console seller for me, and it's responsible for literally hundreds of hours of work on my part. You are surely capable of comprehending the relevance of shifting copies of the game and as well as consoles, even if you disagree with the motivation.
 
Well by your own post it's not a licensing issue it's a money issue.

Those companies want to be in games....they can't agree on a fair value (money)
You are the on making it a money issue in the first place with you statement "they could have any license they want".
Alex simply said: there is a license issue.

Those companies want to be in games....they can't agree on a fair value (money)
I would be surprised about car companies not wanting to be part of Gran Turismo, yet I dont see brand asd xyz.
Im sure there are quite a lot who would be agreeing on almost any price just to be featured.

But in the end, this has nothing to do with VGTs being in the game at all.
 
You are the on making it a money issue in the first place with you statement "they could have any license they want".
Alex simply said: there is a license issue.


I would be surprised about car companies not wanting to be part of Gran Turismo, yet I dont see brand asd xyz.
Im sure there are quite a lot who would be agreeing on almost any price just to be featured.

But in the end, this has nothing to do with VGTs being in the game at all.
Agreed it has nothing to do with VGT in the game.

Especially as Lotus was previously in the game....

But to VGTs specifically.

The problem is that concept cars are directions of travel for a company, a vision sure but typically they aren't feasible in the real world. Ignoring the issue that the GT physics engine allows them to be real and is a problem in and of its self.

We are talking about the stuff we see on sketches with fantasy engineering.

It's one thing to sketch and make a clay model it's a different think to apply physics we can't actually produce at the moment.

I wish they just had their own category. And to be honest in GT6 not all of the manufactures actually delivered their VGT cars in to the game so even they didn't care that much.
 
I wonder if Lotus (and Volvo) being owned by a Chinese parent company has something to do with their exclusion from GT...
No. They just can't come to an agreement, pure and simple. Don't know why. Perhaps PD are tight arses and fail to understand why Lotus values itself as high as it does. There's clearly a problem at their end because other games have them. Now is the perfect opportunity for PD to get in with Lotus after the spate of new models, which are clearly trying to cater for a new audience. Having the Eletre, Emira, and Emeya in GT would do wonders for their promotion, so PD should stop pussyfooting and pay up. Assuming the issue is purely financial of course.
 
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I'd say that goes for the ItalDesign too, considering it lacks any doors or windows. Unless it's meant to be an RC car?
I forgot the Italdesigns existed, to be honest.

I was thinking more in terms of their physics engine. There must be a ton of forks in the code for "if car has weird laser propulsion then do this different behaviour instead" that I'm sure is a nightmare to maintain and a possible cause of bugs.
 
Most VGT are okayish, just a few are great.
In my opinion PD messed it up by adding them to the "main" series when they should have gone for spin offs dedicated to vgt cars and with fewer tracks (like the gt concept games)
That spin offs could have been free, showcasing the gt(7) gaming engines (and platform) capabilities...

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The VGT program could have given us this instead we got spaceships as concept cars.
That was considered a "spaceship" when it was released. Just saying.

Personally, I quite enjoy driving some of the more basic VGT's (like the BMW, Mini, Honda, Aston Martin). Things like the mental Chaparral and the Tomahawk are just a bit too OTT for me.

But I don't have any objections to them being in the game. You don't HAVE to have them, or even use them...
 
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I’m not bothered by the VGT cars being there. In fact, my friend and I already had a lot of good laughs about some of the bespoke spaceship designs, so yeah, happy days. Do I want to buy all of them? Hell no. Do I want to race all of them or miss events where I can get the few ones I’ve got out on the road? Nope. But when I wind down after a couple hours grinding, it’s nice to take a look at them and wonder how these would be IRL. And then I shut down my PS5 and go to bed. 😏

And also, I don’t think they take away an awful lot of resources that could be otherwise used for more IRL cars or new tracks or more events or better payout etc. As was written above, I think they purely serve a marketing and car maker relationship management purpose. No rocket science behind it.
 
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The VGT program could have given us this instead we got spaceships as concept cars.

VGT program could have given us concept cars that would work in reality. But instead it became a contest on who can build the better spaceship.

Waste of potential.

I agree bin it for good.
I had 3 posters in my room when i was young, the F40, the XJ220 and the Nazca, god that thing is still beautiful this day
 
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