Upgrade from G25?

[damez]

anyone have good links of only the good mod videos of G25 shifters?

+1 to this.

 

[chepe371]

http://forum.racesimcentral.com/showthread.php?t=299371

Seems like a lot of trouble, especially if you have a new G with a fresh warranty, but on the other hand Logitech should have better QC, maybe next time.

 

[II IVORBIGUN II]

I have no interest in buying the G27.

I was one of the lucky ones who grabbed a brand new G25 from play.com for £99. This still remains in the box as im saving it for GT5. However I had a choice of G25+Gameracer elite/Pro cockpit or a G27 minus a cockpit as the cost is likely to be around the same. Now for me this was a very easy choice to make and one I don't regret.

Finally I will add that I haven't purchased the cockpit just yet. Im 99.9% sure the G25 will work with GT5 but I will wait until later before purchasing my cockpit.

 

[myke6699]

As I already have a G25, the better route is probably to look into aftermarket mod to the wheel. ARC_Team has great mod that not only increase the power in the G25 but also "clean" the FFB response from the wheel. It's one of the few problems I hace with the G25 especially when using it with PS3 and GT5P in particular. I doubt the new G27 adresses this problem as well.

 

[dancardesigner]

Anyone thinks we will be able to turn our G25s into a G27? It looks basically the same but with a few added buttons on the wheel and a rev indicator, not fussed about thicker wheel, g25 is fine. Pointless update imo, if they haven't reworked the internals, less initial slack, less gritty feel and vibration motors wouldn't have gone a miss.

 

[Black Chamber]

I think the new Logitech G27 wheel will be by far the best racing wheel ever.

The reason I think this is due to:

1. The fact that now there is a lot of competition in the racing wheel market
2. Kazunori Yamauchi's statement that "Gran Turismo 5 will be the new industry standard in racing games"

I wouldn't be surprised if there are features to the G27 that revolutionize the racing wheel market.

Windshield wiper lever, anyone?

 

[dancardesigner]

I think the new Logitech G27 wheel will be by far the best racing wheel ever.

The reason I think this is due to:

1. The fact that now there is a lot of competition in the racing wheel market
2. Kazunori Yamauchi's statement that "Gran Turismo 5 will be the new industry standard in racing games"

I wouldn't be surprised if there are features to the G27 that revolutionize the racing wheel market.

Windshield wiper lever, anyone?

Well except for a Frex wheelhttp://www.frex.com/gp/.

Have you seen the G27 pics?, it looks barely any different, i doubt it is much improved over G25, Porsche wheel has rumbe motors and belt drive which is smoother.

 

[Black Chamber]

Have you seen the G27 pics?, it looks barely any different, i doubt it is much improved over G25, Porsche wheel has rumbe motors and belt drive which is smoother.

I've seen them and those looked early - like it was just a prototype. They have probably made astounding progress since then and they still have 3 months before the release of GT5 [hoping for a December release] to perfect it and then show the final design.

I'm sure Logitech and Polyphony Digital know what else is out there and they wouldn't let the official Gran Turismo 5 wheel be anything less than the best.

 

[H3rmaN]

I bought a DFP for GT4, sold it and bought a G25 for GT5: Prologue and when the G27 comes out I'll sell the G25 and buy a G27.

 

[chepe371]

I don't know about the "news" of the g27 on the homepage, i was on that site a few days ago i saw those pics of the Logitech portugese page, and well the word was they are phonies, on closer inspection you can tell that the g27 photos in the product page have a whitish outline, a staple of lazy photoshoppers. I might be wrong, but if Gtplanet is the cutting edge for simrace news, and these "snapshots" were online almost a week ago....

 

[dancardesigner]

I don't know about the "news" of the g27 on the homepage, i was on that site a few days ago i saw those pics of the Logitech portugese page, and well the word was they are phonies, on closer inspection you can tell that the g27 photos in the product page have a whitish outline, a staple of lazy photoshoppers. I might be wrong, but if Gtplanet is the cutting edge for simrace news, and these "snapshots" were online almost a week ago....[/QUOTE]

When did GTplanet claim to be ''the cuting edge for simracing news'', they only claim to cutting edge for GT5 news, and all things gran turismo. You forget most information on this site is gathered from other sites anyways, it's just that when something is posted on the main page of GTplanet other sites take it as Gospel.

 

[chepe371]

When did i claim they claimed that, not once, i just stated it because whenever somethings going down GT or Logitech this is the place to read about it.

Therefore you would expect something like g27 confirmation to be brought to light ASAP.

You seem a irritated, is it the wait for GT5 that's got your knickers in a bunch?

And no i dont forget, because they list their sources... Don't start none, won't be none.

peace

 

[dancardesigner]

When did i claim they claimed that, not once, i just stated it because whenever somethings going down GT or Logitech this is the place to read about it.

Therefore you would expect something like g27 confirmation to be brought to light ASAP.

You seem a irritated, is it the wait for GT5 that's got your knickers in a bunch?

And no i dont forget, because they list their sources... Don't start none, won't be none.

peace

Can you not understand how this sentence might be interpreted?

but if Gtplanet is the cutting edge for simrace news, and these "snapshots" were online almost a week ago....

It looks like you claim that GTP should get all the latest sim news before anyone else, something it doesn't and also doesn't claim to. The way i read it, it looks like a sarcastic dig at GTP, hence the ......., but maybe im wrong. If you have a justification i will accept it, i can't be bothered quarreling over the pettiest of missunderstandings:tup:.

 

[chepe371]

I was driving the point that if it was truly authentic photos of an authentic listing(still could be)wouldn't someone (member or mod) on the GTPlanet post about it? I in fact saw them several days before they were posted here, and i didn't want to post potentially PHONY news, out of RESPECT for GTPlanet, the same reason i quit the G2G banter as well.

 

[WolfRacer543]

I got my G25 2 years ago, before GT5P was around. Got it just after the price in Australia dropped from $450-500 to $350AUD at one computer shop. I'm happy because it still costs over $300 so I bought it close to its low

I'd only buy the G27 if its actually supported on xbox 360 too, which I doubt it will be, but sometimes miracles happen. Likewise I'm only going to buy a fanatec wheel if it isn't a rip off, which I suggest it will be here in Australia when it finally comes out (Australia always seems to get ripped off with stuff like this, especially when its Dick Smith selling it, they're overpriced to begin with).

No mention of it, but Logitec would be crazy not to update the G27 with a belt drive as this is the way forward, and this is what there main rival (probably Fanatec)uses.

I disagree. I think they need to move toward helical cut gears, not belt drives. Helical cut gears are what your car's gearbox has, the gears engage gradually so you dont get the "notchy" feeling you get with current gear driven FFB wheels. It would also eliminate noise. Basically it would have all the good things of a gear driven system without the bad things. The only issue is the cost of helical gears, but belt drives are expensive too, not sure which is cheaper in the long run

 

[dancardesigner]

Well the Frex seems to use some kind of corkscrew system, it's not belt driven, and it's not Logitechs main rival, Frex is in another league all together, 'Professional sim territory'. The G25s main rival IS the porsche range of wheels from Fanatec.

 

[Dijital Majik]

I disagree. I think they need to move toward helical cut gears, not belt drives. Helical cut gears are what your car's gearbox has, the gears engage gradually so you dont get the "notchy" feeling you get with current gear driven FFB wheels. It would also eliminate noise. Basically it would have all the good things of a gear driven system without the bad things. The only issue is the cost of helical gears, but belt drives are expensive too, not sure which is cheaper in the long run

A guy on commented on the original link on Virtualr.net:

On the second screen capture you can read “embreagem helicoidal”.
I probably managed to find out something new about this new wheel: It is not belt driven.
Apparently it uses helical gears which are quieter and stronger than conventional/spur gears.

maybe Logitech are onto something....

 

[dancardesigner]

A guy on commented on the original link on Virtualr.net:



maybe Logitech are onto something....

What i don't get is why they would go to all that effort, and make it look like a rehashed G25, If it's that different internally, they could have produced a new chassis.

 

[Nomino]

What's the point?, buying both at a cheap price will still probably cost more than only buying the G27 straight up.

The point is, people don't like letting go of money up-front. It's why people love credit cards and a big part of the whole recession.

 

[WolfRacer543]

What i don't get is why they would go to all that effort, and make it look like a rehashed G25, If it's that different internally, they could have produced a new chassis.

If it reduces production costs I'm more than happy if it looks similar to the G25. It has 6 buttons, rev LEDs and if it truely has helical cut gears as mentioned above, I think it'll be an awesome wheel. Belt drives have drawbacks, and I'm not convinced of the long term longevity of the (probably cheap) belt drives they put in these wheels.

All it needs is xbox 360 support and I'd snap one up straight away.

 

[chepe371]

No one really complains about the design of the G series, except the pedal base, most people are more interested in the FFB motor, the shifter and the wheel thickness. Plus a total redesign would mean possibly losing compatibility with existing stands\seats.

 

[FLASH48]

Just bought a DFGT wheel, and the noise level is alot less then my old DFP. So by the time i need a new one, the G27 should be real cheap. And GT6 should be out, and i will buy a G27! If it is fully compatible with GT5 and GT6.

 

[Black Chamber]

I really want that Logitech G27 wheel!

 

[michael6129lh]

i really enjoyed gt5p because of the clutch support.but what if there is no clutch support in gt5 ! it would not be any longer the real driving simolation. and i wil cry if there is no clutch support it would suck

 

[Mr Latte]

Considering the Turbo S is being branded as the "Official FM3 Recommended Wheel"

• Analouge Clutch Control
• H Shifter & Sequential Supported
• Unique Vibrating Brake Feature (Clubsport Pedals Only)

It may be that Logitech who have a great past history with Sony & GT may well consider branding their G27 as PS3 GT compatible with the idea of competing against Fanatec and the FM3 franchise, who knows thats a guess.
I don't think it makes sense for Logitcech/Sony not to compete against the Turn 10/ Fanatec options. DFGT and X360 wheel are totally different price brackets but their definately IS a market out their for a high end wheel as these even just for console games, im proof of it in fact.

G27 will sell in the bucket loads, no doubt about that
Personally Im not a lover of either brands shifters, their not satisifying enough to use for long periods and stick to paddle shifting myself.

As a wheel though consider these benifits from Fanatec:

• Additional comfort, much thicker wheel rim than G25
• Smoother and quieter belt drive
• Much stronger FFB
• Unique throttle based rumble feature
• Tune the wheels settings on the fly during a game
• Can be used with G25 or X60 Pedals

Turbo S is not cheap but it is by far imo going to be a much better wheel than the G25 or indeed what the G27 will be.
The GT3RS already proved that.

 

[dancardesigner]

[*]Additional comfort, much thicker wheel rim than G25
[*]Smoother and quieter belt drive
[*]Much stronger FFB
[*]Unique throttle based rumble feature
[*]Tune the wheels settings on the fly during a game
[*]Can be used with G25 or X60 Pedals
[/LIST]

Turbo S is not cheap but it is by far imo going to be a much better wheel than the G25 or indeed what the G27 will be.

Honestly what is wrong with the comfort of G25, i personaly like it's solid stipped out racer feel, we are racing not cruising. Not to mention the G25 is more tunable and you can shove a different wheel on there if you like.
I don't even think the strength of the G25 motors is an issue, more PDs force strength setting, on PC the G25 can be made to give much stronger FFB than in GT5, and has a load of tuneable parameters. As for the pedals there are much more sophisticated offerings out there than either the G25 or Porsche offerings. Oh and the smaller diameter of G25 is more racecar like, and better for drifting than the Porsche.

 

[Darkdog786]

Why Driving Force GT Does not come with a clutch and G25 does ? Does clutch makes alot of difference ? Should i return my DFGT wheel and buy a G25 which comes with the clutch or wait for G27

 

[Mr Latte]

Honestly what is wrong with the comfort of G25, i personaly like it's solid stipped out racer feel, we are racing not cruising. Not to mention the G25 is more tunable and you can shove a different wheel on there if you like.
I don't even think the strength of the G25 motors is an issue, more PDs force strength setting, on PC the G25 can be made to give much stronger FFB than in GT5, and has a load of tuneable parameters. As for the pedals there are much more sophisticated offerings out there than either the G25 or Porsche offerings. Oh and the smaller diameter of G25 is more racecar like, and better for drifting than the Porsche.

Ive got and use both with a Turbo S on order, my point though is im talking from my own experience of using them.
I had the G25 for two years and yes its still a good wheel, not disputing that at all nor the G27.
Its thinner rim though did cause me thumb cramps on long sessions and that will be welcomed fix on the G27.
The GT3RS doesnt compromise, for heavens sake its the same leather as the real car and the upcoming Turbo S uses the same genuine leather as BMW source.
The G25 isnt close to the FFB of the Fanatec, certainly when it comes to PS3 usage. Im referring to GT5 as my main interest.

Additionally Ive not read any review that i am aware of that didnt place the GT3RS as a better wheel / based on the wheel not preference to shifters.
The Logitech is best for value though no doubt about that.

Yes their are more sophisicated pedals, but at silly prices im comparing two that are not specialist markets.
If anything Clubsports are a bit OTT for console usage particulary when consoles only use 256 Vs 1024 values on PC

As for drifting, im not a drifter, if the bigger rim is an issue then the user could change the sensativity to 900, 540, 360, 210 altering the amount of wheel turn needed. I can say however that ive found with the Fanatecs smoother belt drive and no deadzone it actually easier to correct the car again in GT5P.

The benifits of the Fanatecs for me make those a much better product.
Im not interested in adding additional bit of wheels or anything that effects the warrenty.

If anything im disapointed that the G27 is such a let down with only minor updates on a product that is 3 years old.

 

[WolfRacer543]

If anything im disapointed that the G27 is such a let down with only minor updates on a product that is 3 years old.

How do you know that? It looks similar to a G25, there's nothing else to make us assume its the same internally. If its true that its using helical gears then I think you'll find alot of the problems you had with the G25 compared to the belt driven Fanatec wheels will vanish.

 

[dancardesigner]

To be honest, i own a G25 and am very happy with it, it is more than good enough for current driving simulators, really what much of a difference will the latest brand spanking new wheel make to the experience?, It's going to give your wallet a much bigger experience. Waste of money imo. The games are way behind the wheels, i guarantee a more realistic game with more accurate physics will feel better through a Driving Force Pro then a less sophisticated game through a G27. The realism needs to come from the games physics engine, any current top of the line wheel i feel is more than capable of giving a realistic experience. I went to the BMW Sauber F1 pit lane park tour thingy they had going on in the UK, and they were using G25s to translate what it feels like to drive an F1, it was one of those videos of an F1 going around a track, and you hold the wheel to feel the feedback of the bumps.
As for the with FFB strength on the G25, i personaly do not see as a problem, although GT5 does not let you take the strength of the G25 up to its maximum.