Upgrade from G25?

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I wouldn't want a thicker grip than the G25 unless the wheel was a little larger, the G25 wheel thickness is fine.
 
dancardesigner
As for the with FFB strength on the G25, i personaly do not see as a problem, although GT5 does not let you take the strength of the G25 up to its maximum.
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I assume you're indicating your experience with GT5P, so hopefully they'll address this issue in GT5.
 
Jay
I wouldn't want a thicker grip than the G25 unless the wheel was a little larger, the G25 wheel thickness is fine.
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Cant speak for the G27 but it looks thicker

I have sizes for an upcoming comparison review project.
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Approx Size
X360 Wheel 26cm
G25 27cm
GT3RS 30cm

BIG DIFFERERENCE!

Those thinking the G27 will be as good as a Fanatec.
G27 we will see, but i very much doubt it will be much different to the G25 in performance.

Clubsport pedals play a BIG part too in their customisation / personal comfort settings over what the G25 or G27 will offer cant be forgotten not to mention their build quality.
 
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WolfRacer543
How do you know that? It looks similar to a G25, there's nothing else to make us assume its the same internally. If its true that its using helical gears then I think you'll find alot of the problems you had with the G25 compared to the belt driven Fanatec wheels will vanish.
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To be fair even if the gears do offer a smoother wheel experience and it was just as good in that area then but what about:

Stronger FFB motors
Shock/Vibrate motor
Adjust on the fly with LED independent of game
X360/PS3/PC compability available

Those are also good things about the Fanatec range and in particular the Turbo S
Clearly to me thier is only one champion wheel for the console owner and the Turbo S will be it.

Pc gamers have varying needs so no Turbo S wont appeal to everyone or all budgets but its the one that appears to be the best featured.
 
I got a DFP for GT4.

I'll probably put it on ebay or something before christmas to get about $50, or a bit less, maybe. Then I'll want to get a G27, but I'll probably end up with a used G25.
 
The problem with the Fanatec stuff is it's so hard to choose what you want, far too complicated. And the fact that they are never in stock, anywhere !!!
 
No46_TheDoctor
The problem with the Fanatec stuff is it's so hard to choose what you want, far too complicated. And the fact that they are never in stock, anywhere !!!
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They manufacture to orders though and yes its frustrating having to wait but man when you get that thing in the post it feels like Christmas....

Look at Fanatec more like a small specialist brand than comparing to say Logitech as people often do.

Logitech probably would laugh at the profit margins and way such a smaller company as Fanatec have to operate.

Its why though I have all the more credit/admiration for their products, their quality and being a small company thats actually got a Porsche and now Microsoft licensced partners, hey you know something things can only get better for them.
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Mr Latte
To be fair even if the gears do offer a smoother wheel experience and it was just as good in that area then but what about:

Stronger FFB motors
Shock/Vibrate motor
Adjust on the fly with LED independent of game
X360/PS3/PC compability available

Those are also good things about the Fanatec range and in particular the Turbo S
Clearly to me thier is only one champion wheel for the console owner and the Turbo S will be it.

Pc gamers have varying needs so no Turbo S wont appeal to everyone or all budgets but its the one that appears to be the best featured.
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Again, we dont know what the G27 will have. It may have stronger FFB motors, if it has helical gears it could potentially have far higher FFB without putting excess stress on the gears, so it COULD have higher FFB. Though IMO it doesn't really need higher FFB, simply GT5 needs better support to adjust FFB. On PC sims I never crank the FFB all the way up on the G25 anyway. The shock/vibrate motor doesn't really appeal to me either, the G25 and probably G27 will have dual motors anyway. As far as I'm aware, no games use the vibration motors in any wheels properly anyway.

It also may have adjust on the fly settings... when the G25 came out it was focused at PC sims where everything can be adjusted via drivers with more flexibility, and most PC games themselves have many many more options to adjust the FFB. Over the years logitech could have noticed that people use it on PS3 also, and may put more flexibility in it. I'm not 100% sure on the timeline... but wasn't the G25 out before the PS3 anyway? You can hardly expect Logitech to add on the fly adjustments when it was only designed for the PC and the PS3 wasn't even around.

You have to remember when the G25 came out it was breaking ground in the quality available at a regular consumer level (opposed to the high end enthusiast crowd who spend thousands on wheels). You can't make judgements about the G27 based on the G25.

As far as xbox 360 support is concerned... well, I doubt it will have 360 support because M$ are dicks. However I'm still hopeful that it might have 360 support. If it does I'll probably buy it.

Point being, how can you be "disappointed" with a wheel when you have NO idea what its like and nor does anyone else.

Personally I'm excited by the G27. I'm hoping it'll bring a new high level wheel with a silky smooth FFB which I can actually buy in shops (opposed to the Fanatecs which I can't get anywhere, and is very expensive). Hopefully they manage to get 360 support too, but that might just be dreaming.
 
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WolfRacer543
Again, we dont know what the G27 will have. It may have stronger FFB motors, if it has helical gears it could potentially have far higher FFB without putting excess stress on the gears, so it COULD have higher FFB. Though IMO it doesn't really need higher FFB, simply GT5 needs better support to adjust FFB. On PC sims I never crank the FFB all the way up on the G25 anyway. The shock/vibrate motor doesn't really appeal to me either, the G25 and probably G27 will have dual motors anyway. As far as I'm aware, no games use the vibration motors in any wheels properly anyway.

It also may have adjust on the fly settings... when the G25 came out it was focused at PC sims where everything can be adjusted via drivers with more flexibility, and most PC games themselves have many many more options to adjust the FFB. Over the years logitech could have noticed that people use it on PS3 also, and may put more flexibility in it. I'm not 100% sure on the timeline... but wasn't the G25 out before the PS3 anyway? You can hardly expect Logitech to add on the fly adjustments when it was only designed for the PC and the PS3 wasn't even around.

You have to remember when the G25 came out it was breaking ground in the quality available at a regular consumer level (opposed to the high end enthusiast crowd who spend thousands on wheels). You can't make judgements about the G27 based on the G25.

As far as xbox 360 support is concerned... well, I doubt it will have 360 support because M$ are dicks. However I'm still hopeful that it might have 360 support. If it does I'll probably buy it.

Point being, how can you be "disappointed" with a wheel when you have NO idea what its like and nor does anyone else.

Personally I'm excited by the G27. I'm hoping it'll bring a new high level wheel with a silky smooth FFB which I can actually buy in shops (opposed to the Fanatecs which I can't get anywhere, and is very expensive). Hopefully they manage to get 360 support too, but that might just be dreaming.
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Your right, we dont know how good the G27 will be, so why do you keep assuming it might be a great deal better when already if the leaked stuff is to be true its seems the product is more likely to have only minor not major differences in its quality or performance.

Perhaps your hoping too much, heck if it blows away other wheels then great as a consumer i can decide to get it. I dont see it as possible and Logitechs main point of interest will be in sales potential/market price/profit/ not on designing or making a product that even tries to beat the Fanatec range.

Point Im trying to make is we dont have to assume how good Fanatec wheels are, we know, we also know yes they are not cheap and why should such quality be cheap particulary something endorsed by Porsche.
 
Put it this way. I had the choice to buy G25 or Fanatec porsche wheel regardless of price, one year ago. I chose the G25. At the time, peoples oppinions and general reviews gave the overall win to the logitech. The porsche wheel has since evolved from then whereas the G25 has stayed the same. In regards to wheel size/thickness, that is merely a personal preferance. I will say one thing on the matter though. Look at true race cars, there wheel is more akin to the G25, Porsche wheel is more akin to roadcars.
Some specs on G25 are better, some are better on Porsche. Porsche pehaps may be better wheel purely for consoles, but i use my G25 for PC aswell. FFB strength is not an issue with G25, it's more an issue with GT5 not allowing the wheel to be cranked to its max. Yes porsche wheel is more powerful, even though it only has one FFB motor, but hey i don't think many people even put the G25 on max 150% force strength settings on pc games. I mean if i fit a car starter motor to a wheel, yes it will be a lot stronger, but all that power is unneeded, especially for drifters where you want a nice light wheel. G25 is powerful enough imo. As for rumble/vibration motors, yes that is a nice touch on Porsche wheel, but for the most part those effects can be coded into the main FFB motor. If you've played Rfactor and tinkered with the wheel settings in the folder, you will know what i mean.

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Fanatec who?
 
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G27 = Fail

This is Logitech's response to Fanatec?

It's basically a G25 with more buttons.

As far as price, the G27 = $300

GT3RS/Clubsport package = $299, and it seems that it will be compatible with GT5 as well. Or, you could go for the 911 Turbo package for $249 with standard pedals and no XBOX compatibility. Or, for $199 you could get the Turbo S Pure package and use it with your G25 pedals.

No contest here, Fanatec vs. Logitech--Fanatec = WIN

Also, G25 prices need to start plummeting now. With the news that the G27 will be out this fall, the price needs to drop to around $150 for the G25. At that price, I would recommend buying it. I'm still seeing the G25 being advertised for $299 and even higher at some places :eek:
 
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cpp214
G27 = Fail

This is Logitech's response to Fanatec?

It's basically a G25 with more buttons.

As far as price, the G27 = $300

GT3RS/Clubsport package = $299, and it seems that it will be compatible with GT5 as well. Or, you could go for the 911 Turbo package for $249 with standard pedals and no XBOX compatibility. Or, for $199 you could get the Turbo S Pure package and use it with your G25 pedals.

No contest here, Fanatec vs. Logitech--Fanatec = WIN

Also, G25 prices need to start plummeting now. With the news that the G27 will be out this fall, the price needs to drop to around $150 for the G25. At that price, I would recommend buying it. I'm still seeing the G25 being advertised for $299 and even higher at some places :eek:
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They've made a lot of fine improvements to an already successful design. Helical gears being one of them. Since they have decided to revise the drivetrain, surely they would have gone the route of Fanatec and belt drive if they thought it was better, but no, they have gone helical gears instead.
I prefer it to Fanatec myself.

G27 FTW
 
I was really hoping for XBOX compatibility. That probably has as much to do with MS as it does with Logitech.

I dont understand why Fanatec is only making a limited amount of wheels compatible with all tho. I would like to know that when I am ready to splurge on a wheel and a proper stand that I could pick up the Fanatec when I want. But with a 5000 unit production run who knows if there will be any available. *Thats what I remember reading about production. If its actually true I will admit I'm not sure.*


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I agree with Dancardesigner about the choice to go with helical cut gears. Belts wear and can break, and then you have a useless wheel.
 
dancardesigner
They've made a lot of fine improvements to an already successful design. Helical gears being one of them. Since they have decided to revise the drivetrain, surely they would have gone the route of Fanatec and belt drive if they thought it was better, but no, they have gone helical gears instead.
I prefer it to Fanatec myself.

G27 FTW
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With helical gears I think the G27 will equalise a lot of the things that Fanatec had over it. When it comes down to it, I'd rather a wheel with a cheap helical gear system than a wheel with a cheap belt drive system from a reliability perspective, and helical gears done right should be just as smooth as a belt drive.

After watching the SRT review, I dont see anything Fanatec has over the G27 EXCEPT for the obvious flaw of lack of xbox 360 support (which is a big one!). I'm guessing the G27 will have the advantage of actually being readily available in retail stores for a reasonable price.
 
WolfRacer543
With helical gears I think the G27 will equalise a lot of the things that Fanatec had over it. When it comes down to it, I'd rather a wheel with a cheap helical gear system than a wheel with a cheap belt drive system from a reliability perspective, and helical gears done right should be just as smooth as a belt drive.

After watching the SRT review, I dont see anything Fanatec has over the G27 EXCEPT for the obvious flaw of lack of xbox 360 support (which is a big one!). I'm guessing the G27 will have the advantage of actually being readily available in retail stores for a reasonable price.
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Clubsport Pedals maybe? "The best bang for your buck" pedals in sim racing.

The GT3RS package costs almost exactly the same as the G27/G25 and the Clubsport pedals are included as part of that package.
 
cpp214
Clubsport Pedals maybe? "The best bang for your buck" pedals in sim racing.

The GT3RS package costs almost exactly the same as the G27/G25 and the Clubsport pedals are included as part of that package.
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The GT3-RS package isn't compatible with the 360.
 
ZROC
The GT3-RS package isn't compatible with the 360.
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Neither is the G27 💡

If you read the quote I highlighted, you would have noticed that he said the ONLY advantage the Fanatec wheels have over the G27/G25 is XBOX compatibility. I was trying to point out that they have another huge advantage, and that is the clubsport pedals. Besides, this is a Gran Turismo forum and I don't think many people who come here care about the 360 compatibility, but for the minority that do, the Turbo S is compatible with all three platforms (PC, XBOX 360, PS3).

Even without the clubsport pedals, the Fanatec wheels are all better than the G25/G27 based on reviews I have seen. If you go back and look at SRT's review on the 911 Carrera wheel--Fanatec's soon to be released $130 budget wheel--from February of this year, you will see that even Fanatec's base/entry-level model is at least on par with, if not better than the G25/G27. (at the end of the review, Darin said he had been running the G25, but opted instead for the Carrera wheel)


Even the standard pedals that come with the Fanatec wheels look to be very close in performance to the G25/G27. I just happen to think the guys at SRT are pretty accurate in their product reviews though, so take my opinion with a grain of salt :)

After seeing this review today, I am still glad I ordered the Turbo S/Clubsport package. If it works as I think it will, I will probably sell my G25 on eBay 👍
 
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Oh it will work the TURBO S, I have the RS wheel and clubsports and shifters, way way way better over my G25, by 10 miles, G27 seems only 1 mile improvement. But I have to order the Turbo S for Xbox so I can play FM3, as well GT5 without swiching dates on PS3 (RS has problems playing with up to date PS3 lol )
 
NoxNoctis Umbra
Oh it will work the TURBO S, I have the RS wheel and clubsports and shifters, way way way better over my G25, by 10 miles, G27 seems only 1 mile improvement. But I have to order the Turbo S for Xbox so I can play FM3, as well GT5 without swiching dates on PS3 (RS has problems playing with up to date PS3 lol )
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That's so dumb. So what you gonna do with the RS?
 
dancardesigner
That's so dumb. So what you gonna do with the RS?
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It works, just have to change date to 2008, what will I do with it?
I will keep it for Pure PC gaming, or if it works with PS3 and GT5 (even tho data change), I will keep it for that as well. One reason, no lights on the wheel, so no distractions, that yellow metal tape on top is perfect, as well the leather feels like you really drive a race car. The Turbo S wheel, I will get once FM3 is out, and wait for wheel feedback reviews if its really worth it or not.
 
Well there we have it...
Jessica suits yellow, grrrrr

The questions

  • How great these new gears are, better than the Fanatec belt?
  • How much better the new gearbox is
  • Do you care or want sequential shift

Im not so sure the G25 user looking an upgrade will get the same value buying a G27. Also the new buyer does he buy a discounted G25 or a G27, again depending on prices he may get better value with a G25 still before they all go.


Adjustable Pedals on G27 is nice but they dont give close to the CSP level of build or adjustability. Additionally Thomas mentioned upcoming tuning parts for CSP in the future. Fanatec hopefully will one day soon consider a new gearbox solution, for me that is their weakest department, okay but could be better.

Id agree with the comment that GT3RS with CSP would be the best package for quality/price. However Logitech will have these being discounted so do allow taking that into account.

Agree wheel thickness and comfort will differ on personal taste but you cant deny having the same leather on the real supercar isnt cool and it feels great in the hand over the G25 no question their.

Tough call really but buying any of these products isnt going to leave you with a bad one right guys. Enjoy the comparisons without it becoming a flame war for our own favourites

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Please if you own a GT3RS will you PM me
I am currently collecting a list of compatible PS3 games for the wheel.
 

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