Using B-Spec and it's Potential

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Not sure if this has been mentioned but B-spec does not improve during endurance races. I've done nearly all the endurance races and all the skills remained the same.
 
ok when u r about to start a race, if u look there's a button that has a headphone set thingy. If u click this a AI driver will race the race for you. As he runs more and wins more, his b-spec points will go up, along with his battle, machine and course skill will go up.
 
I have a question... Has anybody done a really long B-Spec race? I sometimes leave the B-Spec view on x3 in a few fairly short races, but it seems that everytime my AI driver goes into the pits, the time reverts back to normal (x1)

I am worried that if I do a 24hrs race (on B-Spec) Instead of 24Hrs becoming 8Hrs (overnight or something) Will I find that in the morning, I 14 or so hours left???
 
unfortunately, yes, it reverts back to x1 for some odd reason. hey when u get up just hit it to x3 or something, even though u will have to do it over and over every tiem he pits. I had to when I ran the 24hr 'Ring race.
 
I was sceptical about B-spec but I have to say that having tried it, I love it. It's great to be able to see your cars in action instead of only staring at the back bumper all the time and (despite the odd bump here and there) the racing is far more entertaining than sitting through a F1 race.

Quick question: I've discovered how to use the x3 triple-time feature but only when viewing the monitor screen. Is it possible to view the actual race in triple time?
 
Bill Tanner
I was sceptical about B-spec but I have to say that having tried it, I love it. It's great to be able to see your cars in action instead of only staring at the back bumper all the time and (despite the odd bump here and there) the racing is far more entertaining than sitting through a F1 race.

Quick question: I've discovered how to use the x3 triple-time feature but only when viewing the monitor screen. Is it possible to view the actual race in triple time?
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nope nope nope. the only speed boost when watching cars is during replay, and thats 2x by pushing the left stick inward. But theres no speeding up DURING the race if your watching the cars.
 
robmuzz
I have a question... Has anybody done a really long B-Spec race? I sometimes leave the B-Spec view on x3 in a few fairly short races, but it seems that everytime my AI driver goes into the pits, the time reverts back to normal (x1)

I am worried that if I do a 24hrs race (on B-Spec) Instead of 24Hrs becoming 8Hrs (overnight or something) Will I find that in the morning, I 14 or so hours left???
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I won the Nurburgring 24hrs. in 15 hours, 7 hours are when I was sleeping, lol. but as soon as I got up I kept an eye on the computer when it pitted and changed it to x3 and now I am a proud owner of a Mercedes-F1-painted Gran Turismo Fourmula! I never brag but after being afraid that I would've lost the race (first laps being tailed with me in my 88C-V Toyota by a A4 Touring car, and haveing my AI spin out and me yelling at the screen so loud people next to my knocked on my door, lol, and having my AI drift on red tires) I won by 32 laps from second and 41 from last, lol. stock 88C-V w/ Racing Hard Tires pitting an average of 3 laps (181>>>>184)
 
my bspec driver is a MORON, 6th or 7th race (forgot too pissed to remember) into Formula GT with 0 losses so far and 50 points, im leading with 15 secs, on 4th setting, and all the sudden he decides to slow down LIKE CRAZY, now im leading by 5 secs, and i set it down to the 3rd setting and he SPINS OUT.
its bull**** this bspec driver is crap, i didnt read the manual but i was sure there was nothing indepth about B-Spec and how points/mechanics are done.
so heres a re-cap:
6900 bspec points
6th race into la sarthe 1
level 4 setting
1st place with 15sec lead
slows down still in 1st place with 5sec lead
level 3 setting
spins out
4th place
the rest of the time he even has a hard time keeping up, so i ended up in 6th PLACE!
 
I have a B-spec strategy that seems very effective for long races. (60 laps+) I specifically used it in the Formula GT championship.I haven't tried it on all the races but it worked well for the ones I did do and in most cases allowed me to win by one lap.

It seems to me that the AI has a problem overtaking and sometimes gets stuck behind slower cars. This happens especially when the cars are of equal power.

It occurred to me that I needed to have my car running by itself, so I pit after 2/3 laps even though my tires are relatively fresh. This then allows me to run alone and thus actually be faster than the rest of the group that are running together. Initially I was behind by about 25 seconds (After 1st pitstop) but I was consistently running laps that were at least 2 seconds faster than the leader at the time. I had my car driving on 4 (fast pace) and overtake the whole time.
 
i dont know if this is relavant to this topic, but i see people complaining about how easy and short this game is, how about dont use b-spec mode then? :o
 
Not so much a tutorial, but what I've learned... it's actually kind of dumb to choose if you want to overtake or not. You have to do this skillfully, however. If you (in A-Spec) overtake doing into a corner, you'll have to learn to retain your position afterwards. What's the point of overtaking someone in the Laguna Seca Corkscrew when you venture off the track, back on the road, spin out, and have the guy/girl you just passed just pass you by? So when it comes to overtaking, do it effectively and smartly.

Now on to pacing. If you put the pace on 5, your B-Spec racer will push as hard as humanly possible to catch up with the lead pack. That's why it's called "Push." But in the same process, the driver will get overly aggressive, usually spinning into the grass or into a wall. So if you don't want those nasty consequences, slow down the pace by giving it a 4 or a 3. When you're leading the race, IMMEDIATELY go to a Steady pace (3). This way, your B-Spec driver doesn't get extremely aggressive. Aggression is good, but you must be smart at the same time. If you want your racer to REALLY calm down, go to 2 or 1.

The best way to think about this is to imagine yourself racing in the event. If there was no such thing as A-Spec, imagine you were the B-Spec racer and you're thinking about what you need to do to win the race. You've set the car up, you've entered the race, now all you need to do is win the damn thing. But think about your pace all the way through that race. If you're not the leader, you'll need to push to get there. When you're the leader, you want to take things easy and not commit silly mistakes. It's just like a(n) [American] football game. Don't do silly things like fumble or get intercepted if you're leading.

So that's why I say that you just don't let the B-Spec racer do its thing. You're still racing, even though you're not controlling the car. If you leave the B-Spec racer on its own, you're not going to win unless you know what you're doing on the track. So think about a B-Spec race from start to finish whether it's one lap or 24 hours.
 
I'm using super hard all around. At Nurburgring with the Jaguar race car, I found that the hard fronts were twitchy for my setup and I often spun if I got ever so slightly offline. This is because of the stock setup of my car more than anything else. I could have lowered the car, changed the suspension settings, etc. to counteract this but I prefered to run the car in stock trim for the 24 hours.

Super hard all around also wears the rears slower than if you have hard on the front and super hard on the rear.

Ax Battler
Hard front, super hard rear is what I use, does the trick.
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Yeah, you can leave it by itself, but you'll need to check up on B-Spec's progress every now and then. Like, when I did the GT World Championship race at El Capitan with the Minolta-sponsored Toyota 88C-V, we were (I say "we" because the B-Spec racer is like a teammate of mine, and so, we race as a team, we win as a team). 3rd Place. But after leaving it for a while, it went into 1st and won, simply because the other teams took pit stops.

So, check on it every now and then. That's all I'm talking about here.
 
Ax Battler
Not sure if this has been mentioned but B-spec does not improve during endurance races. I've done nearly all the endurance races and all the skills remained the same.
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I Bspec'd the Roadster 4 Hour in an MX-5 Miata 1800 RS '04 (same as the best AI car). The only modifications I had were a chip, weight reduction stage 1, and sports brakes and a brake controller. Super-hard tires all the way.

Managing reasonably carefully, I lapped the field twice, and most of the cars five times. (pace high compared to some of you guys; often 5pass, needed to switch down halfway through last turn to avoid an off on the exit when the tires got to a certain stage--I'll have to do some more races to see if the tire wear really varies as much as you claim. Similarly, it makes sense that "pass" on all the time would give you a bad racing line and slower times, but I've never been able to confirm that).

In any case, I got Bspec of +637/+11/+6/+6. That put my main total to 65XX.

This was not the first enduro I had run. But it was the first time I had run that particular event. (My Motor Sport Elise got a reasonable amount of points a couple of times it ran the El Capitan Race too. It seemed like a different field, even though it was an easier one, caused it to get a few more Bspec points).

I am beginning to think the engine Performance Chip is "free" for both Aspec and Bspec. I.e. as if the "scrutineers" can't spot it. Several times in an Aspec series I've removed it to lower my power and it hasn't increased my Aspec points compared to the previous race.
 
SportWagon
I am beginning to think the engine Performance Chip is "free" for both Aspec and Bspec. I.e. as if the "scrutineers" can't spot it. Several times in an Aspec series I've removed it to lower my power and it hasn't increased my Aspec points compared to the previous race.
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Well, on a decent-powered vehicle, it only adds 6 or 9 HP....
 
sUn
Using B-Spec may require losing some respect on GTPlanet, but that doesn't really matter when you've got the cash, and the prize car you want.

My technique on winning at least 95% of the races I enter with B-Spec are as following:

I usually start with a fully tuned car, and at the starting of the race, I switch through the PACES, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and start off with 5 and Overtake enabled. This way, within the first half of the lap, I can get up to about 1st, 2nd, or 3rd. Now you'll notice the AI can't drive your car on the turns, then what you want to do is take the pace notch down to about 2 or 3, this will give the AI proper control and you will keep steady. Be sure to leave the Overtake enabled. This way, I can usually win the race.

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I usually use the 5th Pace with Overtake and do this until I'm 1st in the race, once I'm 1st, I take it do the 2nd Pace and turn off Overtake and almost always win.

Share you techniques!
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enjoy this link, hope it helps.
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=1730835&postcount=12
 
Racing B-spec is an integral part of GT4. You shouldn't have to apologize for using it. I've run 90% of the game using A-spec Manual (none of the longer Enduros completely). Now that I've completed the game, I'm having fun testing cars in B-spec. Recently I've been toying around with the Opel Speedster races in B-spec, trying to figure out why my lightning fast A-spec Opels won't work to win certain Opel races in B-spec. I did manage to win Infineon finally in B-spec by luck and constantly monitoring the speed. I almost won Autumn Ring but got beat out ever so slightly. My B-spec driver has pretty good skills, but one of those B-spec Opels is insanely fast and handles far better than it should. Anyway, I'm having fun in B-spec trying to figure out what makes it tick. I'm anxious to see what happens when my points increase from the 6300 range to the 8000 range. Unfortunately, I'll have to lose a lot of races to increase the skills of the B-spec driver.

Give the Opel races a try to see if you can win all the races and let me know if you do.
 
Adding a couple comments that are probably old stuff but I did not see in the thread.

- You CAN get b-spec points in endurance races. I started using b-spec just before my endurance races, and my first endurance was the 24Hr Nurburgring with the a Viper and barely about 4000-5000 b-spec points. My driver barely won the race (by 1.5 laps) and I got something like 800 points (probably because I did a bunch of stuff for the first time in that race - track, car, vehicle class, etc - I never got that many points again).

- You can win harder races in B-spec if you actively manage your driver through the race. A lot has been said in the FAQs about how to do this, so I won't add details.

- I am a pretty decent but not awesome driver. As such, I find that I can outperform my B-spec driver in most tracks, except on high-speed ones like Nurburgring where my lousy Pelican wireless controller gets in the way of the fine control needed for those wavy turns. The point is... in high-speed tracks/races the AI's reactions are usually better than a human's.

- The "least painful" way to train the driver is by playing every series in A-spec (ideally at 5-30 A-spec points) - the least upgraded car possible to win the race. Then play in B-spec. With active management you should be able to win the race in b-spec.
 
i use B-spec for the endurances and longer races, or if i want money while im busy. for example, i left it running the DTM races in a fully tuned audi A4 race car while i spent my time cleaning and repairing my bass. it took me about 5 runs of the DTM before my bass was back to its normal state. which is great, as when it finished i just started it again and sold all the CLK's at the end. then bought the c60 :D
 
Since the topic ventures into endurance races...

How much B-spec points (total points, machine points, couse points etc.)
do I need in order to have a competitive and competent B-spec driver?

I'll be using cars that are similar with the competition with minimal mods..
 
Well, for me, I did all but one of the Endurance races in B-Spec and the 24 hour ring twice for another one of the 10 paint schemes of the prize cars. I have sometimes finished a championship in B-Spec just to finish it 3x faster.

I look at it this way. I am a far better driver than B-Spec dufus Bob. I do it to save time. I am also for the challenge of maximizing my A-Spec points, shooting for 200 points per race. B-Spec points to me mean ‘laziness points’ and I could care less what I have. It is just a convenience.

I am now about 57% complete and almost 40000 A-Spec points. I have completed the Beginners, Professional, Extreme, and Endurance races. I have left Mission 34, a few Special Conditions Events, and most the manufacturer and county events. I will at some point do the Endurance races in A-Spec too.

My current plan is to completemy remaining Championship races in B-Spec, then redoing each with a car optimized for the track in A-Spec for 200 point races. I will also redo some races to get 200 points. I still have several I just won with my first few cars purchased for anywhere from 1-100 spec points. I can at least manage 100 points on the hard ones! You get 60 A-Spec points with an equal car, and I am far better than the AI drivers.

I see nothing to brag about with B-Spec. With a few exceptions, it is easy to find a car to easily win the races in B-Spec mode.

Oh… for those asking… I have never seen the skill values affect how well Dufus Bob drives. It is telling you how well you set up the Boob!
 
meister_dan
Since the topic ventures into endurance races...

How much B-spec points (total points, machine points, couse points etc.)
do I need in order to have a competitive and competent B-spec driver?

I'll be using cars that are similar with the competition with minimal mods..
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i would say around 70 to 80 points range in each catigory will provide a win most likly.

BUT you will need to tune the car for optimal performance, meaning the suspention, select the right tires, the right LSD settings and brake setup (downforce most likly).

sometimes you will want to add some small HP mods, but i havent needed to do that very often at all.

i would say that MOST bspec drivers wont need to go much further than gaining an avarage of 80 points per skill to win the game without problems, or the need to ever raise the level further than that.

Oh… for those asking… I have never seen the skill values affect how well Dufus Bob drives. It is telling you how well you set up the Boob!
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the skill levels DO affect how well the driver drives... you should do some testing then... because with higher points your driver will drive faster, corner faster, pass oppenents faster, and race each course better. some corses still require slowing down at certain turns even with well tuned cars... but most of those races you can often gain first place and then reduce the speed to a lower level and be fine with a win.
 

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