Veyron: Disappointment?

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Why do people still come back and say the Mclaren F1 is a street legal track car, if you read into the history or design process of the car it was pretty much the opposite of that, its actually much closer to the vision/idea behind the Veyron, a luxury usable road car that does not compromise comfort or looks for performance, while still boasting ultimate performance. They had to modify it to compete with cars designed for racing/track by extending the rear of it for aerodynamic stability, when they designed the longtail version.

On the top gear test track I ran the Veyron 1 second faster than the Mclaren F1 in GT5, soft sports tyres and abs 1. Obviously it will vary from track to track, and even depending on the driver. In any cases most cars in GT5 are much faster around the top gear test track than they are in real life.

Edit - Further testing and revised driving got me running a fair bit faster in the Mclaren, but theres more time to be had from the Veyron, to be honest these cars are probably too close to call at this track. In GT5 you're looking in the area of a late 1:08 from both cars with good driving, and i'm sure some will get into the 1:07's perhaps better. both cars in standard trim with an oil change and soft sports, aids off but abs 1.


My idea of tuning an F1 to GTR standards and a Veyron to SS standards is harder than i thought, as the F1 GTR has less power than the standard road car, the Veyron is different aerodynamically. I suppose simply adding 200bhp to the Veyron while giving the F1 a full run over but no oil change after dealership or power upgrades. Again it is going to depend greatly on the track you choose and the tyres you use.
 
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prymet1me
I did not post that directly to you, some of the posts earlier in the thread are just :dunce: Makes me wonder how some of the guys here are car heads as much as they claim they are. I am no Veyron fanboy but I have the uttermost respect for what Bugatti accomplished and I understand the car is not a track car by nature. And I sure wouldnt expect any road car to compete against LMP cars on a track.
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Yeah sorry realise that now, gotta love the lag in such a busy forum :)
 
Bigbazz
My idea of tuning an F1 to GTR standards and a Veyron to SS standards is harder than i thought, as the F1 GTR has less power than the standard road car, the Veyron is different aerodynamically. I suppose simply adding 200bhp to the Veyron while giving the F1 a full run over but no oil change after dealership or power upgrades. Again it is going to depend greatly on the track you choose and the tyres you use.
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Good point and i'm hoping for a thread on realistic tunings to match such "specials" else I might have to do it myself! Thinking the Aston Martin Vantage 600/Le Mans too, but that's totally an indulgence :-)

You can probably get all the specs somewhere, I think Top Gear said there was some weight reduction and ride height lowered for the Veyron SS

The F1 GTR is indeed technically slower than the stock model, not sure of the other stats. Did only longer wheelbase versions race? And the more limited road versions, were they extended also?
 
Tyger
The F1 GTR is indeed technically slower than the stock model, not sure of the other stats. Did only longer wheelbase versions race? And the more limited road versions, were they extended also?
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They all had the same wheelbase length, the only major changes body work wise were in '97 when the longtail GTR and road going GT were introduced.
 
The Veyron is an absolutely fabulous looking car, and we got a dinky little PS2 version of it in the game. Yes, I'm disappointed.
 
MrDinosaw94
Hennesey Venom > Buggati Veyron. For all of the Veyron's flaw's it is a piece of history. I prefer the McLaren F1 philosophy. Sensible power (640BHP i think) and low weight. If there is one car i want as DLC though, it would have to be the Hennesey Venom GT.

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ZR1 Corvette motor in a lotus Elise? yes please!
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+ Comfort Hards for top gear extreme
 
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see, that represents just about the opposite of what the Veyron is, and why so many dislike it.
It, contrary to popular belief, is NOT an easy car to wrestle around a racing course with many twists and turns.
The Venom GT is the manifestation of a massively powerful car without the extreme weight; but it probably is not an easy (relatively speaking) car to live with on a daily basis.

Power:Handling:Comfort
Pick two.

Since comfort isn't really well-represented in a video game.....
 
Jebon
I used Veyron & won GT All Star.
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I used the stock Mclaren F1 for that one, to be fair its doable in quite a few of the top road cars.

To be honest my opinion is that all the super cars are really great, the Veyron isn't my favourite car but people can argue all they want about it being fast or slow, facts and figures are all that are real, and all that matters in the end is whether you like it or not.

In GT5 its a standard, so i'm less inclined to drive it just for that reason.
 
For you top gear fans.


Hammond said that he prefered the Zonda F roadster to the 'maths lesson' Veyron.

The Veyron then annihilated it in a drag race.

But then the Zonda was faster around the track.

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The problem with the bug is that VW was a bit cautious as they realized that the only people that were wealthy enough to buy the Bug were usually the ones interested in Luxury . Thus making the Bug put on more weight. But if they had taken the F1's approach to purity then it would have been a much 'greater' car.

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IMO McLaren F1 > Bug. NA > Quad turbo W16

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McLaren F1 Still the fastest Naturally Aspirated Production car
 
I would think a lot of people know that video, awesome though.

When I have the time I might see if I can match the spec of the SS as best I can and see if it will hit 268mph :)
 
Tyger
I would think a lot of people know that video, awesome though.

When I have the time I might see if I can match the spec of the SS as best I can and see if it will hit 268mph :)
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If you match the exact specs and it does hit 268mph, there's something off... The body was revised as well to make it more aerodinamical :D
 
I can't understand why people hate the Veyron so much, unless they are blinkered Macca F1 fanbois.

It's is one of the (if not the) fastest production road cars in the world.
The SS holds the Top gear lap time record.
The Veyron is faster than the Macca over a standing mile.
It weighs 2 tonnes and is loaded with any luxury that can be fitted to a car, a car designed to run on normal roads the world over - speedbumps, potholes etc and still be relaxing and luxurious to drive as well as possible to drive by anyone not just a pet racing driver.

And yet the general opinion is that it's crap?!?
Not sure I understand the logic.

Yes there may be faster race cars out there, the Macca F1 may be quicker round a track so might any other single vision track/race cars out there that are designed to do one thing and do it well; race on a track.
Good luck using the Sat nav, aircon or heated electric seats in them though.
Most of them you'll be lucky to get ABS and airbags - because race cars don't need them.
Track cars don't weigh two tonnes for a reason.

Saying a race car is better than the Veyron round a track so the Veyron is crap is a bit like saying the Allure of the Seas is crap because it doesn't turn as fast as a speedboat!

For the record I love ALL fast cars no matter if it's a hot hatch or a Lambo, if it's quick it gets my blood going so the Veyron/ F1/ SS or any race car does it for me.
 
Just to add.
In game I actually find the Veyron surprisingly good to drive as long as you have an idea of the physics involved and don't expect it to take hairpins at full chat it actually handles great once tuned and tweaked.
Ok it's no 458 but the brutal acceleration on very short straights can often make up for the more careful right foot on the twisties.
 
Kibbster
Yes there may be faster race cars out there, the Macca F1 may be quicker round a track so might any other single vision track/race cars out there that are designed to do one thing and do it well; race on a track.
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You do realise that you're posting on a forum that revolves around a game where you do one thing: Go around a track, fast.
You don't feel the AC, you don't hear the sterio, you don't need the satnav, you can't enjoy the comfortable seats.
All you can do is: Drive it. Well, and take photos, but it's a standard car, so, yeah...

Thats the problem with cars that are made with an all encompassing vision in mind of their creators: We can only enjoy one part of that vision.
 
Luminis
You do realise that you're posting on a forum that revolves around a game where you do one thing: Go around a track, fast.
You don't feel the AC, you don't hear the sterio, you don't need the satnav, you can't enjoy the comfortable seats.
All you can do is: Drive it. Well, and take photos, but it's a standard car, so, yeah...

Thats the problem with cars that are made with an all encompassing vision in mind of their creators: We can only enjoy one part of that vision.
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I agree this game is based around tracks and racing and that's all most of us can base our "knowledge" of a lot of these cars on.
But a lot of people were arguing the Veyron is a bad car, it's not - it's a fantastic car in the real world, just as most of the cars mentioned in this thread are.
Maybe it's just not the best car in this game that's based around racing round tracks as fast as possible or maybe it hasn't been accurately portrayed :)

I still find it's one of the most predictable cars to drive in game, not many cars will let you go from 200+ - 50mph for a hairpin with full anchors in a straight line or even from said hairpin at 50 mph back up to 200+ in a straight line (looking at you Gallardo!)
What it lacks in cornering finesse it's makes up for with brutal acceleration, overtaking whenever and wherever needed and good manners on heavy deceleration IMHO.
It's not that you even have to nearly be stationary for corners either - just very sensible with the throttle because the Veyron picks up speed without much effort.
 
I find the Veyron will beat the A.I easily up until the race cars start appearing.
:nervous: at race cars

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Few pages back i mentioned attempting to tune a Mclaren F1 to the standards of a GTR and the Veyron to the standards of a SS, or as close as possible, for the sake of putting them side by side to end the dispute. At the Top Gear test track.

Today i bought another Mclaren F1, left it without an oil change at 607bhp, did the full weight reduction bringing it 970KG (Slightly heavier than a GTR still), replaced the suspension with the fully customisable and stiffened the rollbars to 4. Fully customisable transmission to shorten the gear ratios, set to 217mph. (Not perfect but since you cannot set your own ratios this was the closest i could get without 1st gear being useless). I purchased the aerodynamics for the car and set the rear to 65.

On soft sports tyres I was running 1:08.5xx on most laps, the end section of my timed lap was slow, but I was unable to match the rest of my lap on the next few laps so I kept putting out a steady 1:08.5xx. A perfect lap would easily see the car in the 1:07.xxx range, but it is a difficult car to drive on the edge and i did not have the time to perfect that laptime.


As for the Veyron, i've not had time to get around to it yet, I need to find another Veyron in the used car lot before I can test this, though my previous tests with the standard Veyron showed laptimes in the region of 1:09.9xx. With an extra 200bhp it would take a driver who is good with high powered 4WD cars to make the most of the massive power difference, it would definitely be very close though. If anybody is willing to do this, then go ahead, if not I will update when i get the time.

Also, getting the exact specs of the SS is not easy, trying to find the exact differences between the 2 cars, apart from the extra 200bhp and altered aerodynamics.
 
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