Veyron - Super Fast?

[the Interceptor]

Everything I've read says that WV has to insert a second key to get the car to run 252.

You get that key when you buy the car.

The F1 only used 5 gears, as the 6th was a fuel gear. The Maccy's official record was 240.1 MPH, after they took off the speed limiter. The run with the limiter on was 232 MPH.

That clears it up, I was wrong then. Sorry!

And Famine is right with what he says. Still, the Veyron is the perfect combination for me (and others it seems) of speed and comfort. It is beaten in many, if not every category VAG consideres it to be the worlds finest, and you know what? I don't care. Actually, I wish they wouldn't make those claims, because only that makes so many people come up with comparisons of the Veyron and one or more other cars that beat it in some way. I am getting tired of arguing with those people (I don't understand this as an agrument, rather than a discussion by the way, so please don't get me wrong!), trying to explain that they are missing the point of the car. They see this as black and white: Veyron = fastest car = not true because of car XYZ being 0.3mpg faster. The Veyron is fast - full stop. Fast enough for almost every human being on the planet I suppose. You can be better of less money, but that totally misses the point.

Forget about all that "best of the world" thing. It's very fast while being luxury and usable, and that's a brilliant combination in my eyes. To put it in perspective with the S7TT again, it may be beaten in several ways, but that is not really important. The only guys that might care about this are the ones that don't know much about cars and just want to have it because it is known as the fastest car in the world. The vehicle deserves better though.

Regards
the Interceptor

 

[daan]

The F1 only used 5 gears, as the 6th was a fuel gear. The Maccy's official record was 240.1 MPH, after they took off the speed limiter.

By your reckoning then, the F1's top speed is 180mph. That's how fast it can go in 5th.

The run with the limiter on was 232 MPH.

Jonathan Palmer did 231mph at Nardo.

2 points there.

• There is no mention of that being limited by the limiter
• Nardo is an oval and there would therefore have been tyre scrub slowing it down.

 

[dubbed]

My point to level of luxury and the materials used in Veyron is perfecty accurate: Take the stalks on the Veyron, they are cast of magnesuim and cost roughly 4k alone!


Here a small bit on how opulent the interioir materials are:

Climb into the Bugatti’s interior and you’re ensconced in luxury unlike that of any other automobile. As opposed to the stark, race-car cockpit you might expect in something with this much performance, the Bugatti instead coddles with doveskin upholstery (cured in butter and figs) and deep carpets that are real llama. Everything in the interior is authentic and of the highest quality. The shifter one-ups the Porsche Carrera GT’s wooden knob with a lacquered bonsai shaft topped by a solid-gold knob with a shift pattern of inlaid narwhal horn. And did you think those toggle switches were made of imitation mummy teeth? Of course not. Customers in this price range would never stand for it.

http://www.automobilemag.com/features/great_drives/0605_2006_bugatti_veyron_ezra_dyer/

 

[Deathclown66]

C&D says the S7TT is fairly civilized as far as everyday driving, due to it's 2 sets of springs, one for normal, low-speed driving, and a second set for when extra load/stiffness is needed/occurs.

And I doubt you can buy a McLaren for less than 2mil anymore, just my opinion.

I also heard that inside the Veyron is a sauna, which I don't doubt for one second

 

[F1GTR]

What are you trying to say? That a McLaren F1 is a close match to the Veyron? Because you'd be fairly mistaken.

If you lined a Veyron up with a McLaren F1, let the McLaren start accelerating up to 120mph (and continue), the Veyron would BEAT it to 200mph.

I meant I wouldn't get a S7 TT or Veyron if I was given 1.5mil. I'd get the F1.

 

[Famine]

And Famine is right with what he says.

Oddly, that particular section was taken from a "Best French Car thread" and, while I was discussing the finer points there, I actually quite like the car.

Funny old world.

 

[the Interceptor]

Oddly, that particular section was taken from a "Best French Car thread" and, while I was discussing the finer points there, I actually quite like the car.

Funny old world.

Well, the quotes don't say that you do not like the car, they only state some facts. Of course, you can get the impression that you're bashing the Veyron there, but even the most hardcore Veyron nut will have to agree that there's something out there that beats the car in one or more ways. It's the combination that makes it so special though.

 

[skip0110]

Here a small bit on how opulent the interioir materials are:

http://www.automobilemag.com/features/great_drives/0605_2006_bugatti_veyron_ezra_dyer/

I am pretty sure that most of that article is hyperbole, including the part you quoted.

 

[Dave A]

I seem to be getting a lot more hostility than is necessary, so I will post some simple facts:

Because your not posting true things about the Veyron.

The Veyron is essentially a 233MPH car. You need to fly yourself and the car to Germany to have them temporarily disable the limiter to make it a 252MPH car. This makes both the S7TT, all versions of the 'Egg and almost the McLaren itself faster cars than the Veyron in nearly every case.

As has already been said, you get the second key when you buy the car, all you do is insert it into a slot by the seat, turn it and away you go in top speed mode. This was demonstrated on TopGear in France when Jeremy Clarkson drove it down a French motorway in top speed mode. You don't need to go to Germany to do thie, you just take the second key and put it in and turn it, and you can do this wherever you are, by yourself.

There is no real reason that the S7TT shouldn't be able to go 248MPH. The Mclaren F1 was not limited by top speed in either aerodynamics or BHP, but by it's rev limiter. When they turned if off it pulled 240. And it did it with 5 gears. The S7 has much more torque and BHP and uses all of it's gears. IRL cars have around the same BHP, a whole hell of a lot more drag and far less torque, but they can go in the high 230's.

likely not with the same drag levels, but if you can find me some statisics to prove that wrong be my guest.

There are multiple cars that can handily outrun both the Veyron and the S7TT, but they don't cost more than a million-five or even 580k (well, one of them might).

True, I can build a car that can out handle a Veryron or S7 TT for under a grand. Talking about value for money kind of becomes a moot point when discussing hypercars, if you have to ask how much you arn't a potential customer. The people that will be buying the Veyron arn't going to be concerned that they can get an S7 TT for less.

I can guarantee that you could, at the very least, buy both an S7 and a EB110, plus possibly an XJ220, for less than the Veyron costs by itself. The sum of these three cars easily excel the sum of the Veyron's whole.

Very likely you could, but if I ad enough money to decide that I was going to buy a Veyron I'd either not want any of thoes cars, already have thoes cars, or buy thoes cars as well at a later date. Like I said, money in this comparison is pretty much a moot point.

I am not insinuating that the S7TT is a better car than the EB16/4. Far from it. But it is certainly more worth the money than the Veyron is (and I guess that this applies to the F1 as well).

Why? If I wanted a track car I'd but a Radical, if I wanted a road car I wouldn't buy an S7 TT. If we were talking about two cars that cost under 100 grand I could see your point regarding cost. But were no. Obviousely with the price difference the S7 TT is technically better value for money, but the people that buy these cars arn't going to be as concerned about that as you or I.

And as for the Veyron being what luxury cars want to be, I'd love to see it beat this.

In terms of what the interior is worth, it's worth a lot more than the Bentley's interior.

All of the Veyrons figures (particularly the acceleration ones) are claimed, and so far unmatched, by VW.

No they arn't, they Veyron is officially the fastest production car to 60mph ever, it has done it. As for the other calims, well Autocars 0-100-0 test had the Veyron as the clear winner, they didn't quite get the 0-60 as good as it could but unlike motortrend (2.5 seconds) the 30-100mph was very impressive. And theres a few other tests that are pertty consistent with claims. the motorstend figures are the only ones I've seen where an independent test has timed the car over 200mph, they hit 200mph in 22 seconds. 2 seconds can be lost or gained quite easilly in a 0-200mph run.

I am pretty sure that most of that article is hyperbole, including the part you quoted.

From what I've read in the past myself, the indicator stalks really do cost that much and the gear stick is topped with gold and it does have diamonds in the dash.

 

[dubbed]

I am pretty sure that most of that article is hyperbole, including the part you quoted.

Ezra Dyer has a fantastic way of writing articles, the materials and the facts listed in the article are acurate(bar the mummy teeth which is a hyperbole showing the extent of the actual materials used in the car), just how the reference of the Carrera GT is thrown in makes it seem like a hyperbole......Did I mention Ezra Dyer is a fantastic writer?

 

[skip0110]

Ezra Dyer has a fantastic way of writing articles, the materials and the facts listed in the article are acurate(bar the mummy teeth which is a hyperbole showing the extent of the actual materials used in the car), just how the reference of the Carrera GT is thrown in makes it seem like a hyperbole......Did I mention Ezra Dyer is a fantastic writer?

Ahh, I see.

I agree it is excellently written.

 

[speed_demon]

what i would like to do is buy a veyron and strip it down to the same type of parts as the S7TT (such as only A/C ,radio ,a basic seat with no adjustment and no other interior parts that arent esential to the car and do the same with the rest or the car) and then see how fast the veyron is.

 

[Poverty]

The Veyron is essentially a 233MPH car. You need to fly yourself and the car to Germany to have them temporarily disable the limiter to make it a 252MPH car. This makes both the S7TT, all versions of the 'Egg and almost the McLaren itself faster cars than the Veyron in nearly every case.

lol at this. No car will do 233mph on a race track, so if they were gonna do high speed runs the veyron owner wouldnt have a problem, and even if the egg and the saleen got up to 240mph on a race track, and the veyron only 233mph it would still be the faster car depending on the course do to its greater acceleration.

Also in real world driving the saleen wouldnt come anywhere near the veyron on public roads due to it having 4wd.

 

[toyomatt84]

lol at this. No car will do 233mph on a race track, so if they were gonna do high speed runs the veyron owner wouldnt have a problem, and even if the egg and the saleen got up to 240mph on a race track, and the veyron only 233mph it would still be the faster car depending on the course do to its greater acceleration.

Also in real world driving the saleen wouldnt come anywhere near the veyron on public roads due to it having 4wd.

Well, if you were to include the famous road course, Nurburgring, you could easily reach 233mph on a race track.

 

[JCE]

I chose the S7TT for one reason and one reason only, money. It's like comparing apples to kiwis. The Veyron has luxury the S7 does not. I do however admit the Saleen looks much better to me. I'd spend the extra money and make the interior nice and just eat the reduced performance.

But I digress, I really wouldn't choose any of these two cars. The Zonda or Carrera GT takes my money first followed by the SLR or a Koenigsegg.

 

[1X83Z]

Veyron. Best car ever, end of story.

 

[the Interceptor]

Veyron. Best car ever, end of story.

very sophisticated contribution there. 👍

 

[kikie]

It's not only a question about which one is the fastest but also which looks best. 1.5 milj. is a lot of money.

 

[Poverty]

Well lets put it this way, really the veyron has no competitor. The saleen however has many, the FXX and gumpert apollo to name a few. The apollo and saleen are priced similiar, both are strip out road legal track racers. Dont know how much downforce the saleen has but the apollo has as much as a DTM racer.

Estimated top speed is 223 mph with 0-60 mph reached in 2.9 seconds in 650hp guise.

 

[Pink_the_Floyd]

Veyron, obvious...


Why not comparise these two to, let's say, the Top Secret GT300?

You'd be very off if you think it cannot handle a Saleen...

 

[dubbed]

Well lets put it this way, really the veyron has no competitor. The saleen however has many, the FXX and gumpert apollo to name a few. The apollo and saleen are priced similiar, both are strip out road legal track racers. Dont know how much downforce the saleen has but the apollo has as much as a DTM racer.

Estimated top speed is 223 mph with 0-60 mph reached in 2.9 seconds in 650hp guise.

Not to mention a lttle bit of "friendly fire" from the Ford GT , some tuners have already twin turboed the GT and its faster than the S7TT:

As we floored the throttle, we glanced over at the digital speed readout of our test gear. The numbers were changing so furiously fast that they were illegible. Only after we cleared 120 mph did the uproarious acceleration slow enough that we could see how fast we were going. But still, the GT felt as if it were chomping off 10-mph increments every second.

We passed 150 mph in only 12.6 seconds — 0.2 second faster than a McLaren F1. In 17.8 seconds the GT made 180, a stunning 2.5 seconds sooner than the McLaren.

We’ve never tested a street car that accelerated to 150 mph quicker than this twin-turbo GT. Even the Saleen S7 Twin Turbo, which nicks the turbo GT in the quarter-mile (the S7 does 10.9 seconds at 140 mph, the GT 11.1 at 139), is slower by a full second to 150 mph.

http://www.caranddriver.com/special...rghini-gallardo-twin-turbo-ford-gt-page3.html

188K is all to tempting

 

[JCE]

If they could some how get the GT-TT with some semi-slicks on it I'd love to see it's numbers. $188k is rediculously cheap for that car with that much power.

 

[Dave A]

Semi-slicks are crap on anything but solid dry roads, if you fitted the Veyron with semi-slicks it's times would be even faster, as it stands the Veyron's tyre's work in rain and in the dry.

 

[1X83Z]

very sophisticated contribution there. 👍

Actually you basically said it all. My favorite part was when what's his name claimed you had to go to Germany to get the key to go up to 255, and you told him that getting the key is actually part of owning the car. I chortled.

 

[Danny]

I'll say this. The Veyron is roughly (by my estimation) 62 times more expensive than a Renaultsport Clio.

It isn't 62 times faster, won't provide 62 times the entertainment, and the the fuel consumption will be dire (not 62 times worse though).

However, the Veyron is also more likely to be stolen, more expensive to insure (if you can get it insured at all).

And I think it's ugly.

However, I'd much prefer it over a Saleen. The Saleen just isn't exciting enough. If you bought one you'd forever be wishing you'd splashed otu a bit more for the Veyron. I think Saleen need a design update too.

 

[Poverty]

Actually the clio is more likely to be stolen, more likely to fall apart, more likely to have interior rattles, and more likely to be overtaken by a chavved up 2liter vauxhall nova. The clio will also depreciate, whilst the veyron will hold its value, and will rise in value one day.

 

[Danny]

Actually the clio is more likely to be stolen, more likely to fall apart, more likely to have interior rattles, and more likely to be overtaken by a chavved up 2liter vauxhall nova. The clio will also depreciate, whilst the veyron will hold its value, and will rise in value one day.

The thing about that is, speed limits kill performance.

It doesn't matter what you drive, there's precious little time for you to use the performance. Take it to the track and you really couldn't guarantee more fun than a Clio. Then, lo and behold, you've wasted £950,000.
And the depreciation is hardly a factor. If you can afford the Veyron, depreciation won't bother you, that is until something better looking and faster comes along. Renaultsport Clios hold their value pretty well.
Also, if you saw a Veyron and a Clio on a street, you really would have the Veyron, if you were in a stealing mood.
And I doubt a Vauxhall Nova of any kind would keep up.

Edit: I almost didn't notice you skirt around my points.

The Veyron is not 62 times faster than a Clio. Fact. The Veyron is not 62 times more entertaining than a Clio. Can't be proven or disproven, since there's no way to measure, but it's highly unlikely to be the case.

 

[Dave A]

The clio is slower and more expensive than a Locost, which car is better value for money? If you can afford to pay that much for a car then you arn't going to be bothered about it not being 62 times as fun as a clio, you just want that car. Regarding depreciation, I dissagree, I think depreciation will be a big factor in many peoples decisions over buying a Veyron or not, theres quite a likelyhood that the Veyron will actually go up in value once production ends, with that taken into account the Veyron is not only an incredibly fantastic car but it's also likely to be a decent investment as well. if you want a car for fun you need look no further than one of the many, many Seven clones out there, some of which can be had for relative pennies. Comparing the Veyron to a Clio is frankly absurd.

 

[daan]

I was just about to buy a Veyron too. I'm going to cancel my order and buy a Clio instead.

 

[Poverty]

The thing about that is, speed limits kill performance.

It doesn't matter what you drive, there's precious little time for you to use the performance. Take it to the track and you really couldn't guarantee more fun than a Clio. Then, lo and behold, you've wasted £950,000.
And the depreciation is hardly a factor. If you can afford the Veyron, depreciation won't bother you, that is until something better looking and faster comes along. Renaultsport Clios hold their value pretty well.
Also, if you saw a Veyron and a Clio on a street, you really would have the Veyron, if you were in a stealing mood.
And I doubt a Vauxhall Nova of any kind would keep up.

Edit: I almost didn't notice you skirt around my points.

The Veyron is not 62 times faster than a Clio. Fact. The Veyron is not 62 times more entertaining than a Clio. Can't be proven or disproven, since there's no way to measure, but it's highly unlikely to be the case.

I want the veyron 100 times more than I do a clio

And the only way anyone is stealing a veyron is if they steal the keys, or they are extremely proffesional and intelligent when it comes to stealing and electronics and computers. Do you know how hard it is to steal like a audi A4 or merc c-class let alone a veyron, hence why most stolen premium vehicles are done by car jacking, or by breaking and entering a property for the keys.