Veyron - Super Fast?

[the Interceptor]

VAG claims.

I seriously think that you can actually hit those claims, given optimal circumstances. It's perfectly normal that tests under real life conditions show worse figures though.

I don't see what's wrong with the Veyrons performance. Given that it generally is up to the S7 TTs and the Henessey Vipers performance in most cases while being much heavier and more comfortable, I don't see a problem here.

Regards
the Interceptor

 

[3-Wheel Drive]

The veyron however is one of a kind, no one else has attempted to make a car similier to the veyron. The closest thing to it is the Merc McLaren SLR.

Wait, what? The Veyron was built to be the fastest production car on Earth. So was the McLaren F1. And the Lamborghini Diablo. CCX. XJ220. I can go on, there are many other cars that have strode for and/or reached that goal. It not a new venture, and the Veyron will be surpassed eventually. I will not argue that the Veyron is a fantastic car, and marvel of engineering, but is not by any stretch of the imagination unique or one-of-a-kind.

I simply prefer the Saleen. It may not be the fastest, but it's fast enough for me. It looks better than the Bugatti IMHO, and being cheaper, I could use the leftover money to buy other cool things
But I'd take a Zonda over either of them

 

[speed_demon]

^^none of those cars mentioned are anything like the buggati as they where all purpose built for uncomprmised speed not luxury and speed and so i once again say that the buggati was to be stripped down to bare essentials such as the maclaren f1 and the performance of the veyron would greatly increase whereas if the saleen had all of the luxurys of the veyron then the performancce would decrease such as topend speed and acelerton will be greatly lower

 

[Tornado]

^^none of those cars mentioned are anything like the buggati as they where all purpose built for uncomprmised speed not luxury and speed and so i once again say that the buggati was to be stripped down to bare essentials such as the maclaren f1 and the performance of the veyron would greatly increase whereas if the saleen had all of the luxurys of the veyron then the performancce would decrease such as topend speed and acelerton will be greatly lower

Untrue. Have you seen the materials inside of, say the EB110? It was a luxury super car, with wood on everything. As was the Cizeta and XJ220. Even the 959 in the Comfort had lether on everything. Looked at from a more realistic perpective, the EB16.4 is nothing more than a 11/10ths EB110 or 12/10ths 959.

 

[Scaff]

^^none of those cars mentioned are anything like the buggati as they where all purpose built for uncomprmised speed not luxury and speed and so i once again say that the buggati was to be stripped down to bare essentials such as the maclaren f1 and the performance of the veyron would greatly increase whereas if the saleen had all of the luxurys of the veyron then the performancce would decrease such as topend speed and acelerton will be greatly lower

You seem to be implying here (my highlight) that if the Saleen had its weight increased then its Top Speed would be effected, which is quite simply not true at all.

A cars top speed has nothing to do with its weight at all, the time the car would take to get to its top speed would increase, but the actual v-max itself would not be effected.

BTW - Can you please take a bit more effort with regard to both your spelling and grammar in future posts as a reasonable standard (for both) is expected here at GTP, a standard that you did agree to when you joined.

No slang words that promote laziness, ie; "r", "u", "plz", etc. will be tolerated. Decent grammar is expected, including proper usage of capital letters. Repeated violations will be grounds for suspension and/or permanent removal from the forums.

Half decent grammar is expected. Use of capital letters starting sentences is looked upon favorably. Spelling half decently is also encouraged.

Thanks

Scaff

 

[Dave A]

Wait, what? The Veyron was built to be the fastest production car on Earth. So was the McLaren F1. And the Lamborghini Diablo. CCX. XJ220. I can go on, there are many other cars that have strode for and/or reached that goal. It not a new venture, and the Veyron will be surpassed eventually. I will not argue that the Veyron is a fantastic car, and marvel of engineering, but is not by any stretch of the imagination unique or one-of-a-kind.

That was only one goal of the Veyron, however all the cars you've mentioned are proper supercars, the Veyron has far more in common with a Grand tourer. As for the McLaren F1, that was not built to be the fastest car, the fact it was the fastest was just a by product of it's design. Though there are other supercars that have had nice interiors, leather seats ect, none have taken it to the level of the Veyron. But then to keep things in perspective, the Veyron hasn't reached the levels you'd find in a modern Rolls Royce or Maybach. No GT has I don't think they have enough space to use to take advantage of.

 

[Danny]

I believe the 2007 CL is approaching RR standards at an alarming rate.

 

[1X83Z]

Untrue. Have you seen the materials inside of, say the EB110? It was a luxury super car, with wood on everything. As was the Cizeta and XJ220. Even the 959 in the Comfort had lether on everything. Looked at from a more realistic perpective, the EB16.4 is nothing more than a 11/10ths EB110 or 12/10ths 959.

The interior of a 959 looks like this:

No wonder you think Pontiac makes good interiors - your sole critera for "good" is "leather!"

 

[Dave A]

And here's the EB110 interior.

XJ220 interior.

The Cizeta Moroder inerior.

And for emphasis to M5Power, another shot of the Veyron interior.

They really don't compare at all.

 

[1X83Z]

Definitely not. The Veyron has the acceleration of a Top Fuel dragster, the handling of an Elise, and the interior of a Maybach. It's an unbelievable automobile.

Also do remember that only 11 Cizeta Moroders were manufactured.

 

[Poverty]

Latest veyron test against other super luxury tourers and supercars.

Veyron pulled 0-62 in 2.5secs.

 

[skip0110]

*ignore*

 

[daan]

Latest veyron test against other super luxury tourers and supercars.

Veyron pulled 0-62 in 2.5secs.

This is a rubbish post. As it is, it means nothing. Who did the test? More info would be good.

I've just tested a Veyron and it did 0-60 in 2.3 seconds.

 

[skip0110]

The Veyron costs 238% more than the 959 when you correct for inflation. I think the 959 had a pretty damn nice interior, that considered.


EDIT1: Sorry, meant to edit my earlier post...GTP never loaded it!

EDIT2: Also, inflation corrected, the Veron costs 222% more than the Cizeta.

Is the Veron 3 times as good as either of these cars?

 

[Poverty]

This is a rubbish post. As it is, it means nothing. Who did the test? More info would be good.

I've just tested a Veyron and it did 0-60 in 2.3 seconds.

So your doubting the legitimacy of my claim?

Test was done by auto motor und sport.

LP640 at 3.4 secs
599 did 3.5 secs
997TT 3.7
SLR 3.8
Ford GT 3.9
Z06 4.0
SRT-10 VIPER 4.3
Vanquish S 5.3

Evidence of the test existence:

The Veyron costs 238% more than the 959 when you correct for inflation. I think the 959 had a pretty damn nice interior, that considered.


EDIT1: Sorry, meant to edit my earlier post...GTP never loaded it!

EDIT2: Also, inflation corrected, the Veron costs 222% more than the Cizeta.

Is the Veron 3 times as good as either of these cars?

My house is worth £240,000. We bought it for £120,000, 5 years ago. 30 years ago it would have probably cost about £15,000. Is my house about 15 times better now than 30 years ago?

 

[TheCracker]

The Bugatti interior does compare favourably to all those 90's supercars - but then again so would a brand new leather spec'd 3rd gen Clio. I can't say i'm overly impressed with the Bug interior, i'm sure it's made from the finest quality materials known to man. Thing is, it really is a small car is the Veyron, and that cabin is a pretty cosy place to be, i imagine. It is fairly luxurious - but that fact is wasted on such a small space. IMO a supercar should have a dramatic interior to match the dramatic exterior and seating positions. I think Lambo and TVR do this sort of thing best.

 

[skip0110]

My house is worth £240,000. We bought it for £120,000, 5 years ago. 30 years ago it would have probably cost about £15,000. Is my house about 15 times better now than 30 years ago?

Except, there is a fixed amount of land which is continually becoming more scarce.

But you can build as many hypercars as you want.

Home prices are not a sound analogy.

EDIT: Anyways, £15,000 in 1975 would be around £100,000 in 2005 pounds, so your house has only gone up by about 2.5x in 30 years.

 

[Poverty]

Except, there is a fixed amount of land which is continually becoming more scarce.

But you can build as many hypercars as you want.

Home prices are not a sound analogy.

what about mcdonalds burger prices and taking into consideration that their burgers have also gotten smaller.

 

[Scaff]

So your doubting the legitimacy of my claim?

Daan quite clearly called you post rubbish, and the reason he did this was quite simple. It was rubbish.

Given the lengths that most members have got to here to provide well sourced information and provide detail you post was meaningless.

It was simple a statement with no comparative detail, location of source or information for us to verify, and given the way in which information of that nature has already been treated in this very thread, that makes it rubbish.

Daan's example of 'his own' Veyron test clearly indicates this, anyone can make a claim on the web, they just should not be surprised if people then doubt it. If you make a statement of fact its always best to back it up with some information on the source.

Regards

Scaff

 

[skip0110]

what about mcdonalds burger prices and taking into consideration that their burgers have also gotten smaller.

1972 1/4 pounder in todays dollars: $2.67
2005 1/4 pounder: $2.43

The price of a burger has dropped. A 1/4 pounder is always the same amount of meat, I'd assume.

This is irrelevant. Look at the price of other hypercars comapred to the Veyron. No part of the Veyron is worth that kind of inflated price, especially when you consider that in 10 years it will undoubtedly be superceded by a lot of cars, most of which will probably cost less.

 

[Dave A]

Prices rise thanks to inflation, 10 years ago the McLaren F1 cost £540,000, that same value today would be close to £700,000 which makes it close than the Veyrons price. Talking about value for money here is stupid, do you think the average Veyron buyer is concerned that a car that's not 10 times as bad can be had for 10 times less? It's not about value for money, one could very easilly argue that no supercar is remotely good value for money. However it get's more complex when you start to take into account the cars deflation or inflation, a car like the Veyron may well turn out to be one of the most wirth it purchases Mr Bill Gates Wannabe could make, depending on if it goes up or down in value. Most cars go down, cars like the Enzo have gone up theres a good chance the Veyron will go up in value as well. In which case to say a car that costs half as much but depreciates like a lead baloon falls is a bit mad.

Now the other question of whether or not the Veyron will be supercede within the next years is nothing more than specualtion, and also it's very open to debate as to what makes another car supercede the Veyron. Personally if a car comes along and can go 260mph that doesn't make it the car that supercedes the Veyron. The Veyron is a complete package, it's extravegent in ways that are polar opposites, it's the perfect way for a man with too much cash to spend it and show it.

 

[daan]

So your doubting the legitimacy of my claim?

Test was done by auto motor und sport.

LP640 at 3.4 secs
599 did 3.5 secs
997TT 3.7
SLR 3.8
Ford GT 3.9
Z06 4.0
SRT-10 VIPER 4.3
Vanquish S 5.3

Evidence of the test existence:

Then why didn't you post that in the first place? Your claim had no legitimacy without proof.

 

[1X83Z]

Then why didn't you post that in the first place? Your claim had no legitimacy without proof.

Cool daan - he's done so now, so how about dropping the issue? Christ.

Is the Veron 3 times as good as either of these cars?

Yes.

If one more person brings up the Cizeta Moroder, I will absolute admonish them to the core of the Earth. ELEVEN WERE MANUFACTURED. That is a non-issue; it's a glorified concept car.

By the way, to my knowledge the Ferrari F40 and Bugatti Veyron are on a similar price-point playing field. The Ferrari's $500,000 in '90 is around $950,000 today, and yes - the Veryon is indeed worth the $350,000 premium over that vehicle as supercars go.

What's funny is, you're saying the 959 was nowhere near the Veyron's price new, when today it's common to find 959s going for around the Veyron's present price.

 

[Tornado]

If one more person brings up the Cizeta Moroder, I will absolute admonish them to the core of the Earth. ELEVEN WERE MANUFACTURED. That is a non-issue; it's a glorified concept car.

So if Bugatti and all of VAG went out of business right now, the Bugatti would be as well. Go ahead, anmonish (humor) me.

What's funny is, you're saying the 959 was nowhere near the Veyron's price new, when today it's common to find 959s going for around the Veyron's present price.

True. And I'm sure the Ferrari 250GTO costs considerably less than $5-6 million when it was new as well, as did the 365 Daytona Spyder.

No wonder you think Pontiac makes good interiors - your sole critera for "good" is "leather!"

Ah, here we go. Good old Doug, attibuting posts to people who didn't make them. I'd love to see a post I've made on that issue that wasn't a joke. Not to mention good old Doug on completely ignoring my point.

And here's the EB110 interior.

I'd figured that someone was going to post the EB110SS' interior and try to apply it to all of them, but I'm surprised it was you.

That's the normal car.

No part of the Veyron is worth that kind of inflated price, especially when you consider that in 10 years it will undoubtedly be superceded by a lot of cars, most of which will probably cost less.

It was superceded by cars before the first one was even sold.

 

[Ev0 4 drifter]

i think everyone just needs to calm down here. it seems this thread is causing more frustration that is really necessary.

 

[the Interceptor]

That's the normal car.It was superceded by cars before the first one was even sold.

Which car does offer the same luxury and driveability combined with the same speed then? I don't know any.

 

[Tornado]

Other than the luxury part, there is the 'Egg, first and formost. Why is the impression that the Veyron is such an amazingly driveable car? From what I've read it is laggy and fuel thirsty; which is totally ignoring its dimensions that would get in the way in nearly every place it was driven. Again a disclaimer:
I am not slighting a Veyron in any way. If you look back at older threads about the Veyron, you will see that I was championing every time.
I am merely saying that its status, as Doug so elegantly put it, as Best car ever, is rediculous. Especially considering its "Fastest Car Ever" weighs almost exclusively on VW claims.

 

[the Interceptor]

Other than the luxury part, there is the 'Egg, first and formost. Why is the impression that the Veyron is such an amazingly driveable car? From what I've read it is laggy and fuel thirsty; which is totally ignoring its dimensions that would get in the way in nearly every place it was driven.

With driveability, I mean the amount of accessibility you have to the power. I haven't driven any of those 1000 hp plus cars, but I have not the slightest doubt that the Veyron is the best to get along with every day.

Again a disclaimer:
I am not slighting a Veyron in any way. If you look back at older threads about the Veyron, you will see that I was championing every time.

I'm perfectly fine with your assertions, and I really hope that this thread calms down a bit.

I am merely saying that its status, as Doug so elegantly put it, as Best car ever, is rediculous. Especially considering its "Fastest Car Ever" weighs almost exclusively on VW claims.

Personally, I'm not a friend of claims. There should be no doubt the Veyron is a very high performance vehicle. Claims are only for those who don't know much about it and need to be impressed.

Regards
the Interceptor

 

[Ev0 4 drifter]

IMO VW should stop claiming they've done this, that and the other which is better than anything else and start proving it, that would put an end to any doubts about the Veyrons performance.

 

[Tornado]

With driveability, I mean the amount of accessibility you have to the power. I haven't driven any of those 1000 hp plus cars, but I have not the slightest doubt that the Veyron is the best to get along with every day.

So, when you say driveability, you mean high-speed driveability? Most likely you are right.
And I have no doubt that the Veyron is by far the best 1000BHP car to putt around town in. But I still think that out of all of the cars that are on sale today that even something as lowly Geo Metro driven by John Q. Shmuck would be easier to drive around town in than the Veyron driven by Rich Uncle Pennybags; making the whole idea of the Veyron being the most drivable veihicle in a class of rediculously undrivable cars rather pointless. The day someone uses a Veyron to go get groceries at P&C is the day I'll eat my words, but until then I stand by it. Just imagine someone trying to park the thing, not to mention the problems it would probably give you when you had to stop for gas everytime you entered a town.
And why did you edit your post out? I saw nothing objectionable to the post from either side of the Veyron spectrum, and it was actually the truth.