Video games...we don't play no stink'in video games!!

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Peeps, does any one else get puffy chested when someone refers to our beloved GT5 as a video game? I like to refer to GT5 as a simulator...video games are donkie kong and frogger, video games don't yield the opportunity to become a professional from virtual to reality....so please punch thyself in the face if you refer to GT5 as a video game...is it just me? Peace.
 
I think it's just you. GT5 is a Video Game. If you didn't have to unlock everything and the physics engine was 100% accurate and you didn't have an AI and all cars in the game were real, then it would be a simulator.
 
This made me laugh because a real simulator would make GT5 look like an arcade game at the end of the day.
 
Well GT5 is best sim VIDEO GAME, when you drive a ferrari italia in real world and some one say that this is a video game i guess then u can troll :S
 
You drive cars to earn trophies and get through a career mode and online play. Sounds like a game to me.
 
I have nothing against videogames, but as I read in some other thread, since GT5 came out my ps3 had become a "GT5 Player". You can take it as a simulator or a videogame depending on how you use it. In my case, the proper term would be more like a "hobbie". What I can't stand is people calling themselves "pros", as if they were making any money or a career around this. Well, there are two or three guys out there that become professional racers through the GT academy i think, but I guess they where already racing in real life before.
 
I know GT5 may not be Iracing and some of the "real" simulators but i still consider it a simulator. An arcade racer to me is Ridge Racer, Midnight Club, Burnout Paradise, etc etc. To me its definitely more sim than it is arcade.
 
Vend1go
Well GT5 is best sim VIDEO GAME, when you drive a ferrari italia in real world and some one say that this is a video game i guess then u can troll :S
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I like this one better, sim video game..lol. Thanks for all the abuse my peeps! haha, either way I look forward to get some sim gaming going after work today!!
 
For me, it's a simulator because it legitimately improves your skills at the sport/activity. Would playing Call of Duty make you a better soldier? Probably not. Would playing Madden make you a better football player? Probably not. Would playing Guitar Hero make you a better guitarist? Probably not.

But GT5 on the other hand, if you have the right equipment, actually can make you a better racer or driver. I cannot think of many other games that you can say that about, if any. That's what makes it a 'simulator'.
 
Goshin2568
For me, it's a simulator because it legitimately improves your skills at the sport/activity. Would playing Call of Duty make you a better soldier? Probably not. Would playing Madden make you a better football player? Probably not. Would playing Guitar Hero make you a better guitarist? Probably not.

But GT5 on the other hand, if you have the right equipment, actually can make you a better racer or driver. I cannot think of many other games that you can say that about, if any. That's what makes it a 'simulator'.
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GT5 does not make me a better driver, I tend to drive a bit careless in real life after a few hours playing GT5 :)
 
Not a better like street driver, but if you were to take a real car to a real racetrack? I can guarantee you will be better than if you had never gotten in to Gran Turismo games. Guarantee it.

The same cannot be said of other video games and their corresponding activities.

"Oh, we're going to the shooting range? Ok, lemme level up a bit on Black Ops. It'll improve my aim!"
 
Goshin2568
Not a better like street driver, but if you were to take a real car to a real racetrack? I can guarantee you will be better than if you had never gotten in to Gran Turismo games. Guarantee it.
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I doubt that. This game doesn't translate over to real world experience that well.
 
Goshin2568
Not a better like street driver, but if you were to take a real car to a real racetrack? I can guarantee you will be better than if you had never gotten in to Gran Turismo games. Guarantee it.
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Doubt it, I would be way to chicken to go at racing speeds in a real car ;)
 
McLaren
I doubt that. This game doesn't translate over to real world experience that well.
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I think it definitely does. The muscle memory, the thought process, the techniques, the theory. I'm not saying it'll make you a pro race car driver but it definitely makes you better than if you had never played.

Now keep in mind I'm saying if you are a fairly hardcore player, with a proper wheel and cockpit, etc. If you play casually, or with a DS3, it might not help as much.
 
McLaren
I doubt that. This game doesn't translate over to real world experience that well.
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I guess the GT Academy didn't happen then. That event has taken some drivers with almost ZERO real life experience and made them into real life race car drivers. I think that event proves that it does translate and in some cases it has translated extremely well. Is it perfect? Of course not but it definitely can teach the average person the basics of racing.
 
Goshin2568
I think it definitely does. The muscle memory, the thought process, the techniques, the theory. I'm not saying it'll make you a pro race car driver but it definitely makes you better than if you had never played.

Now keep in mind I'm saying you are a fairly hardcore player, with a proper wheel and cockpit, etc. If you play casually, or with a DS3, it might not help as much.
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I'm not so sure it well beyond the basic theories of slow in, fast out.

Not sure if you've ever attended a training session for a track day, but any instructor will make a quick note to not use what you might learn in a video game on a track, solely because games can not transfer crucial feedback required on a track to know if you're at a limit or not.

Beyond using the game to learn racing lines & where brake markers are, there's not much it can do to really help you become a better driver that a training class won't do in 1 hour.
zr1chris
I guess the GT Academy didn't happen then. That event has taken some drivers with almost ZERO real life experience and made them into real life race car drivers. I think that event proves that it does translate and in some cases it has translated extremely well.
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For a select few, which is to be expected because there always exceptions. And even then, all the articles on them during the competition reported that they continued to be trained by actual drivers. I'll bet a fair amount of money the time spent with drivers like Sabine had a large impact on some of these younger drivers. Even then, how successful have some of these drivers been on their own, besides Lucas?

For the majority of people who attempted it, though, they obviously did not have the hidden skills Lucas had.
 
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McLaren
I'm not so sure it well beyond the basic theories of slow in, fast out.

Not sure if you've ever attended a training session for a track day, but any instructor will make a quick note to not use what you might learn in a video game on a track, solely because games can not transfer crucial feedback required on a track to know if you're at a limit or not.

Beyond using the game to learn racing lines & where brake markers are, there's not much it can do to really help you become a better driver that a training class won't do in 1 hour.
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Now, that might be true, because you are not getting the same feedback, but still, the techniques of throttle contol, left foot braking, the muscle memory of countersteering, stuff like that, that can be learned without the 'crucial feedback', but it also takes lots of time to learn. You can't learn that kind of long term stuff in a one hour training session.
 
Goshin2568
Now, that might be true, because you are not getting the same feedback, but still, the techniques of throttle contol, left foot braking, the muscle memory of countersteering, stuff like that, that can be learned without the 'crucial feedback', but it also takes lots of time to learn. You can't learn that kind of long term stuff in a one hour training session.
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I think that if you'd pit an GT5 gamer with 100's of play hours against a guy that's been driving on a real track for about just 2 hours, the guy with 2 hours of the real deal will win every time :)

If it's unclear, I'm on your side. I don't think GT5 or any race SIM (I view all of them as games) will make you a "good" race driver :)

Oh wait, did I quote the wrong post?
 
ell470
I think that if you'd pit an GT5 gamer with 100's of play hours against a guy that's been driving on a real track for about just 2 hours, the guy with 2 hours of the real deal will win every time :)

If it's unclear, I'm on your side. I don't think GT5 or any race SIM (I view all of them as games) will make you a "good" race driver :)

Oh wait, did I quote the wrong post?
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Heres the important thing though. If you took two drivers, both with 2 hours on track experience, and one with 100's hours of gt5 exp, He will win.

That is kind of confusing. If one driver had only 2 hours track experience, and the other had 2 hours track exp PLUS 100's hours of GT5. The latter would win.

I never said it would make you "Good", however you define that. I just said it would make you better than you are.
 
I also get annoyed when people call it a "game".

It's not a game because it is an interpretation of things that already exist in attempt to replicate as close as possible (in other words, a Simulator).
 
Goshin2568
Now, that might be true, because you are not getting the same feedback, but still, the techniques of throttle contol, left foot braking, the muscle memory of countersteering, stuff like that, that can be learned without the 'crucial feedback', but it also takes lots of time to learn. You can't learn that kind of long term stuff in a one hour training session.
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No, you can't, but the hands on experience will win every single time. Techniques can not be mastered without that experience & a video game can not offer the required feedback to do so.

The emotion of fear also one of the largest factors because when you can feel how a car is responding, a person's natural instincts kick in.
Goshin2568
Heres the important thing though. If you took two drivers, both with 2 hours on track experience, and one with 100's hours of gt5 exp, He will win.

That is kind of confusing. If one driver had only 2 hours track experience, and the other had 2 hours track exp PLUS 100's hours of GT5. The latter would win.

I never said it would make you "Good", however you define that. I just said it would make you better than you are.
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Your example doesn't hold any more validation. In fact, it holds less. Just because a man has spent has 100 hours in GT5 doesn't guarantee him the advantage if he & his opposition have done equal amounts of time on a race track. The man who has been playing the game has to realize what real world limitations are & what car feedback really is beyond a steering wheel. Thus, he becomes just as equal to the man who has never played GT5 in terms of real world skill. He can already know what a driving line is or throttle control, but that's all stuff you're taught in the class room. Out on the track just becomes a form of mastering it & as said above, GT5 doesn't offer the feedback that helps do so.
 
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But there are long term techniques that do not require that feedback to learn. And many hours of seat time in GT5 can teach you those.
 

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