View on NASCAR races

[andez1986]

Personally I think the Nascar events are pointless as you've only got 1 event (5 races) and plus the Jeff Gordon Special Event, what use is it? If there were a lot more Nascar events it wouldn't be so bad

 

[didleslie]

I agree, the lack of NASCAR deph is a real let down.

 

[phil_clubman]

i think ive tried it twice and got bored. just can't quite take to it. saying that i need the money and exp. so ill probably nail it tonight

 

[TenEightyOne]

Fortunately the races are very quick and the Special Challenge Thingies are incredibly easy, even with a pad.

If you DO like Nascar then look for some online rooms running proper races at around 125 laps, it's much more fun!

 

[freight48]

I'd much rather have races for the Ferrari F2007/F10 and the rally cars before more NASCAR stuff.

 

[TurboProp]

I like NASCAR but I think PD went to a lot of effort to have too few races in it. Where's Infineon Raceway, Watkins Glen? The Nationwide events in Mexico City and Circuit Gilles Villeneuve in Canada would have been awesome. Oh well, what could have been...

 

[The Bman]

I say that they should have brought an upscaled Infineon to GT5, added a small track like Martinsville or something, and bring a track like Texas or even Twin Ring Motegi Super Speedway.

Series Events should be like this: Daytona 20 laps, Martinsville 40 laps, Texas (or Motegi) 25 laps, Infineon 7 laps, and Indianapolis 20 laps.

Not to mention there are no restrictor plates on the NASCARs.

 

[BlueSky]

Given that there are so few NASCAR races in GT5, they really should have just added another road race series instead putting the effort into such a short series of NASCAR. Also with all the effort they put into creating the premium NASCAR cars they could have added several more quality premium road cars instead. If you like racing NASCAR, there are dedicated games out there with much more content than GT5.

 

[Chqr]

The circuits are an issue concerning Nascar but my main problem is the Special Events where it lacks diversity in Time-Trials or pit-stop endurance races or cone slaloms.

The other thing is a lack of paint schemes. As I watch NASCAR, Kyle Busch has at least three other paint schemes as does Denny Hamlin.

Really disappointing.

 

[zedextreme8177]

The cars themselves are really awesome though:tup: You can use them against pretty much anything not an LMP/F1/X2010.

Lack of tracks bothers me though. They could've had Infineon atleast.

 

[andez1986]

i think they should've either made the nascar event longer, maybe more of them, instead of 1 event, maybe had a few endurances with them, and another thing i think they should've created more dedicated rally car or high performance cars series race championships, specific car model races and/or dealership races, instead of the gallardo cup etc

 

[Blitz24]

The cars themselves are really awesome though:tup: You can use them against pretty much anything not an LMP/F1/X2010.

Lack of tracks bothers me though. They could've had Infineon atleast.

I think Infineon chose not to keep a contract with PD. Didn't someone mention that their sponsor on the 2001 Audi R8 LMP was censored?

 

[Soullessvessel]

Sadly they miss out on alot with the limited number of cars on track, Nascar doesn't really work with a small field and furthermore slow AI.

 

[jjaisli]

I think what people have to consider is that there are so few NASCAR 'events' for the same reason that you can not use the two F1 cars in most other A-spec events. Because PD has a very limited license in both cases. One could also argue the same with rally events.

Currently, Eutechnyx/Activision have the Nascar license, Codemasters has the F1 license and Blackbean/Milestone has the WRC license. What PD have, from what I can tell, is not a license to any of those series but a license to use those particular cars. That's why for example, you will never find an A or B Spec or Seasonal event with all NASCARS at Indianapolis called the 'Brickyard 400' or a Race with the Ferrari F1 cars called the "Monaco Grand Prix". Well, for this very reason the rack is not even called Monaco.

 

[Blitz24]

I think what people have to consider is that there are so few NASCAR 'events' for the same reason that you can not use the two F1 cars in most other A-spec events. Because PD has a very limited license in both cases. One could also argue the same with rally events.

Currently, Eutechnyx/Activision have the Nascar license, Codemasters has the F1 license and Blackbean/Milestone has the WRC license. What PD have, from what I can tell, is not a license to any of those series but a license to use those particular cars. That's why for example, you will never find an A or B Spec or Seasonal event with all NASCARS at Indianapolis called the 'Brickyard 400' or a Race with the Ferrari F1 cars called the "Monaco Grand Prix". Well, for this very reason the rack is not even called Monaco.

That doesn't make sense though. Codemasters didn't have the F1 License when this game was still in development and Sony did have the license before them.

 

[andez1986]

i think they should have put more rally championships in there, also a championship where you can use the F2007 or F10 '10, surely they got the licence to put ferrari in there and the rally events, think more effort should've been put into it, my opinion sorry

 

[jjaisli]

That doesn't make sense though. Codemasters didn't have the F1 License when this game was still in development and Sony did have the license before them.

It does make sense. Sony had a license with the FOM years ago to develop an official F1 licensed racing game, which they did through Studio Liverpool (F1:CE). For whatever reason, nothing further came out of it. Maybe Sony didn't consider it viable to develop it further, maybe there were issues at the time with Studio Liverpool, perhaps the FOM wanted too much blood money for all kinds of things that were sneaked into the contract.

Sony doesn't have a license any longer. They DO have an agreement with Ferrari S.p.A. and that's why there are Ferraris in the game, both road cars and racing cars, including two F1 cars. But neither Sony, nor PD have a license to market an F1 game.

Either way, just because Sony had a license at one time doesn't mean anything. It is unlikely, for example, that the contract simply gave them free reign. There were probably tight restrictions and the game probably had to be marketed specifically as an 'F1' game. Not Gran Turismo (with an F1 sub game built in). It's basically the same with WRC, the same with NASCAR, etc.

EDIT:

Either way, I agree it would have been nice and certainly preferable to have more Rally events, more NASCAR events and more F1 cars in the game (and the ability to have a proper race with them). But the way these contracts are written, paid out and sought after, it just wasn't going to happen. Personally, I'm amazed there is as much NASCAR content in the game as there is considering another company now has exclusive rights. But at least it's nice to take a cup car on to the Nurburgring or a Rally car onto the Top Gear test track. Something you certainly won't be able to do or can't do with Nascar The Game:2011 or WRC: 2010 respectively.

 

[Nikez]

I don't like NASCAR

 

[Blitz24]

It does make sense. Sony had a license with the FOM years ago to develop an official F1 licensed racing game, which they did through Studio Liverpool (F1:CE). For whatever reason, nothing further came out of it. Maybe Sony didn't consider it viable to develop it further, maybe there were issues at the time with Studio Liverpool, perhaps the FOM wanted too much blood money for all kinds of things that were sneaked into the contract.

Sony doesn't have a license any longer. They DO have an agreement with Ferrari S.p.A. and that's why there are Ferraris in the game, both road cars and racing cars, including two F1 cars. But neither Sony, nor PD have a license to market an F1 game.

Either way, just because Sony had a license at one time doesn't mean anything. It is unlikely, for example, that the contract simply gave them free reign. There were probably tight restrictions and the game probably had to be marketed specifically as an 'F1' game. Not Gran Turismo (with an F1 sub game built in).

It's basically the same with WRC, the same with NASCAR, etc.

Would the restriction be the same if say PD had put all of the liveries of the 2010/2011 Teams in (not really done by the FGT) and ran on tracks that are similar to current F1 Tracks? Or would that fall under infringement?

 

[jjaisli]

Would the restriction be the same if say PD had put all of the liveries of the 2010/2011 Teams in (not really done by the FGT) and ran on tracks that are similar to current F1 Tracks? Or would that fall under infringement?

As I'm not privy to the contracts, and not a high priced sleazy attorney, I really couldn't say for certain. But knowing how proactive the FOM and Bernie Eccelstone are at removing anything related to F1 off of YouTube, or anywhere online, I'm guessing if PD attempted such a thing, it would have made the Siena / Piazza del Campo scandal seem like small potatoes.