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Holden or Ford

  • Holden

    Votes: 209 36.2%

  • Ford

    Votes: 175 30.3%

  • Ford and Holden

    Votes: 64 11.1%

  • Nismo

    Votes: 74 12.8%

  • Erebus

    Votes: 7 1.2%

  • Nismo and Erebus

    Votes: 6 1.0%

  • Volvo

    Votes: 43 7.4%
  • Total voters
    578
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I hope not. I like the 4-door touring car thing they got going on. Plenty of other racing series have coupes. Keep it the way it is.
 
All forms of touring cars have changed between number of doors. Even hatchbacks. If they switch to coupes, it'll be until they don't sell any longer. The GT-R, Sierra, Mustang era was 20-years ago I think the 4-door sedan had a good run( at least until 2016).
 
05XR8
All forms of touring cars have changed between number of doors. Even hatchbacks. If they switch to coupes, it'll be until they don't sell any longer. The GT-R, Sierra, Mustang era was 20-years ago I think the 4-door sedan had a good run( at least until 2016).
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I always reckon 2 door cars are more suited for GT racing.
 
Overall 2 doors seem to make more sense anyway but I like the current way things are. The bodies would look off to me if you had long front doors and no rear.

I think I need to sit down and just read more about the series in general considering all the twitter/Facebook stuff about the SuperTourers which seem like spec class with different bodies.
 
No doubt. Australian Touring cars started with the4-door Falcon winning. I love 'em. I'm prepared for change if it means saving the series as a fan. DTM switched to them all using coupes again. I could research for myself why.
 
If they went to a GT style format, I'd probably lose interest in the series.
 
R1600Turbo
If they went to a GT style format, I'd probably lose interest in the series.
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Yeah there is already enough of that around the world that gets mainstream air time so to speak.
 
IIRC under the old rules the current "2012" Holden and Ford had to lose some length in wheel base to make them fit to the rules, the Ford lost a lot more then the Holden, I remember seeing the FG XR6 next to a V8SC FG and it was only noticable next to each other, are they still doing the for the COF? if so then the Mondeo and Mazda could easily join,

Zoo magazine had an article about a possible Lexus V8SC a while back,

But don't forget the key ingredient for the future rules of the sport, which I'm led to believe that once the current changes calm down that all manufacture's have to use a road version V8 tuned to spec's, Am I correct? If not then why did the wombles at Nissan and Merc not use the current engine? the thing is bulletproof!
 
If im remembering correctly, the Altima wheelbase had to be lengthened to match the FG & VF. As far as eengines, I'm not too sure.
 
The engines are one of the only things that can be supplied by each manufacture, right? Why would Nissan or Merc use a Ford or GM engine?
 
Yup. Engines and some other bits like manifolds, etc perhaps. Everything else, even electronics, are control items iirc.
 
Yeah, so they had to start from scratch. They'll get there eventually, Nissan is making bigger steps at the moment. They say they are down on power but watching them down the front stretch at COTA they seemed to keep up pretty well, so they must not be down very much.

I'm really hoping this switch to 2-door cars rumor talk dies off. Not a fan of it at all.
 
Erebus have matched the power but they're still working on power delivery. I think the ford and Holden engines would be available to those marques or a team that wants to jump into V8s, like Opel, Jaguar and Woolies(Woolworth, maybe they buy out Team HiFlex/Dalberto) hypothetically.

I feel the coupes would look more like the sedans. Not like DTM or GT3 machines. I do prefer the 4-door sedan. I just couldn't understand when I was growing up, BMW, Mercedes, Audi had all these fast 4-doors running circles around Mustangs and Camaros back in the late 80s early 90's. GM gave us the Impala SS and Ford comes up with the SHO and Merkur Scorpio. We missed getting the Sapphire, Falcon and Holden Calais SS. Not to mention the GT-R and RS 500 Cosworth. I used to read all the magazines that featured cars in Other parts of the world that we in America couldn't get. They(Ford & GM) just left it too late to cash in.

Something extra: http://www.v8supercars.com.au/news/saturday-sleuthing-nissan-s-first-bathurst-winner
 
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I'm really hoping this switch to 2-door cars rumor talk dies off. Not a fan of it at all.
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It may be inevitable. Why do you think Ford announced that they're going to wind down all of their domestic production and become an import-only brand in 2016? It's because it's unsustainable. The big problem facing Ford and Holden - and this is something that has been going on for a while now - is that there is no market for the big for-door sedans like the Falcon and Commodore.

Anyway, speaking of rumours, the latest one that I've heard is that GRM are busy talking to Volvo ...
 
Now, THAT'S interesting. Skaife mentioned an announcement, of a new marque, may be made in a few weeks after the Austin 400. Thing is, I see more RS6/RS5/M3/C63 here than Volvos. Would be cool to see an S60/S80 in the series.
 
prisonermonkeys
It may be inevitable. Why do you think Ford announced that they're going to wind down all of their domestic production and become an import-only brand in 2016? It's because it's unsustainable. The big problem facing Ford and Holden - and this is something that has been going on for a while now - is that there is no market for the big for-door sedans like the Falcon and Commodore.

Anyway, speaking of rumours, the latest one that I've heard is that GRM are busy talking to Volvo ...
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First part of the post is true, and probably a long time coming.

Second part is far-fetched, but it could be likely. Volvo are looking to increase market share, and running in the series would be good exposure.
It all comes down to which manufacturer thinks it's worthwhile. I think it'll be Chrysler with the 300C though, just a few convinient factors playing into it.
 
Interesting, certainly, but I know that Volvo tried to adapt the S60 for racing and had a lot of trouble with it. They eventually got it off the ground - there's a few S60s racing in the Pirelli World Challenge - but it was pretty expensive.

I imagine they'd want to use the S60 Polestar, since it comes out this year, like the Altima.
 
I was thinking that watching Volvo in PWC other week, it looks like it would easily be fitted to to chassis.

2 doors aren't my favorite overall for most sedans outside the Nissan.
 
prisonermonkeys
Interesting, certainly, but I know that Volvo tried to adapt the S60 for racing and had a lot of trouble with it. They eventually got it off the ground - there's a few S60s racing in the Pirelli World Challenge - but it was pretty expensive.

I imagine they'd want to use the S60 Polestar, since it comes out this year, like the Altima.
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Yeah, I suppose so. More European manufacturers are opening up down here, the consumer shift towards smaller and more premium quality cars is a big motivator.
They do have an engine they can use, so that's not the problem. I'd imagine they'd have some difficulty like Nissan and Erebus in getting it up to speed.
It'll be interesting to see what happens, whoever joins the mix.
 
R1600Turbo
The engines are one of the only things that can be supplied by each manufacture, right? Why would Nissan or Merc use a Ford or GM engine?
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To my knowledge neither ford nor GM are running any version of their road engines, I believe they are still using the regulations motor which they are allowed to, It came in a box from England,
 
I was led to believe that the design of these cars were the base for the GTR R32 JSTC cars in 1992, Hence the Calsonic version in GT5,
 
TDZdave
To my knowledge neither ford nor GM are running any version of their road engines, I believe they are still using the regulations motor which they are allowed to, It came in a box from England,
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I thought they were based from US, guess I was wrong.

Overall atleast any one who wants to join can use a engine that's been approved without a major learning curve.
 
prisonermonkeys
It may be inevitable. Why do you think Ford announced that they're going to wind down all of their domestic production and become an import-only brand in 2016? It's because it's unsustainable. The big problem facing Ford and Holden - and this is something that has been going on for a while now - is that there is no market for the big for-door sedans like the Falcon and Commodore.

Anyway, speaking of rumours, the latest one that I've heard is that GRM are busy talking to Volvo ...
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Just not a fan of it at all. If I want to watch 2-door cars race, I can do that in almost any other road racing series in the world. The fact that these cars are 4-door sedans, similar to the 90's BTCC touring cars (when BTCC was good), is a huge plus for me.
 
^^Thats what fascinated me about Australian V8 Supercars. We didn't have them in the States. To see sedans bouncing over curbs and flying around proper circuits is still amazing. And the Utes either. GM, Chrysler, Ford stopped making El Caminos for whatever reason(sales?). They're ridiculous to see out of any window but the windscreen(especially with a fibreglass cap) but, so much fun to drive!
 
There was a Ute at the COTA races. Had a Pontiac nose on it though, so I can only assume someone from GM parked it there as they were never sold in the US. Well, they were going to right before GM filed bankruptcy and Pontiac got the ax.
 
There's always talk that the ute is going to be exported Stateside. Nothing has ever come of it. Which is odd, because it's the sort of vehicle that could easily find a gap in the market over there.
 
prisonermonkeys
There's always talk that the ute is going to be exported Stateside. Nothing has ever come of it. Which is odd, because it's the sort of vehicle that could easily find a gap in the market over there.
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The Commodore was rumoured to be given the El Camino label when the VE first came out.
Of course, these rumours fell through like any other time the Commodore was going to be exported to the US in big numbers. I hope the SS sells out in a heartbeat over there, it may just be the motivation they need to start selling more of the model line-up. It'll be interesting to see what they do considering V8SA are in talks over a second US round.
 
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