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Holden or Ford

  • Holden

    Votes: 209 36.2%
  • Ford

    Votes: 175 30.3%
  • Ford and Holden

    Votes: 64 11.1%
  • Nismo

    Votes: 74 12.8%
  • Erebus

    Votes: 7 1.2%
  • Nismo and Erebus

    Votes: 6 1.0%
  • Volvo

    Votes: 43 7.4%

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:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: That's gold!

I remember Larko saying Lap 137 was the latest they could pit for fuel and make it home. That's 24 laps and maybe there's other variables we aren't taking into consideration like the ECU or cooling efficiency of each car.

Either way I don't like to believe its BS either, I like to think it comes down to the biggest variable - the driver. :)
 
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COMMISSION RULES ON GC600 PARITY

http://www.v8supercars.com.au/news/commission-rules-on-armor-all-gc600-parity
The V8 Supercar Commission has mandated a minimum of 185 litres be used by each car in each race at next weekend’s ARMOR ALL Gold Coast 600.The Commission voted on this as the most appropriate way to achieve equal parity for all teams contesting the Gold Coast event. It will mean teams will need to pit twice, which has been the case in past Gold Coast events, during each 300km race. Teams can reach their minimum fuel intake in any combination they choose.The Commission voted in favour of this ruling specific to the ARMOR ALL Gold Coast 600.*This differs from the mandated number of pit stops for the Wilson Security Sandown 500 (4) and Supercheap Auto Bathurst 1000 (7) where a mandated minimum fuel intake was difficult to manage at an operational level.
 
Assuming Holden and Ford don't need 185 litres for each race they will adjust the fuel mapping to increase power and burn it anyway.
 
Assuming Holden and Ford don't need 185 litres for each race they will adjust the fuel mapping to increase power and burn it anyway.

I don't think they can change the mapping anymore
Edit: Just remembered that's only for in-car
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V8's at Bathurst now! Fantastic. Lots of Turn 10 advertising too. Track will be epic!
 
NISMO GETS SERIOUS FOR 2014

http://www.speedcafe.com/2013/10/21/qa-nissan-nismo-bosses-v8-supercars/

SPEEDCAFE: Gentleman, clearly there is a push starting to happen from Nismo on the V8 Supercars program with an engine coming over from Australia. What can you tell us about the plan there?
SHOICHI MIYATANI: Well, without talking in too much detail, we think that the engine performance needs to be improved a little bit more to be competitive in Aussie V8s.At the start of the year this program was really considered to be Nissan Australia’s program, so we gave the Kelly Racing team (only) advice on the engines.But through the series (progressing), now we identified some improvements are necessary to be competitive. That’s why we’ve agreed to receive the engine and do some improvements, so that next year we will be competitive.
SPEEDCAFE: Is this short term help from you guys or an ongoing development program?
MIYATANI: If a short term solution can fix the problem, then that’s fine, but we should monitor the situation; not only with engines but also, if necessary, the aerodynamics. We may need to help them.

SPEEDCAFE: Aerodynamics have been talked about a lot in the last month…
DARREN COX: I think on the aero side there are enough guys down there (Australia) in that area with talent that can deliver.What the guys down there want is access to some of the technologies that Nismo has got in terms of understanding of CFD and everything else which, rather than buying in, they can use some of the suppliers and systems that we already use.I don’t think Miyatani-san’s team will end up designing the parts, but certainly they can provide expertise on processes and systems.We’ve got Ben (Bowlby, Nissan’s head of motorsport innovation) talking to the guys as well about aerodynamics, but he’s not going to be drawing the front splitter. It’ll just be advice and help because at the end of the day, as Miyatani-san said, you can’t do everything centrally, and the guys (in Australia) know the championship better than we do. So it’ll be a mixture of all the parties involved.But from my side having been down there (to Bathurst), I think that the aero kit that we had on the car was more of an issue than the engine power. We’ve been chasing engine power and I think that we’ve gotten close to where everyone was at the beginning of the season now.If you look at Bathurst, where we were losing the speed line was aero. It was over 200km/h that we started to lose the pace compared to everyone else.

SPEEDCAFE: It was obviously a rush to get the cars ready for the start of the season and a lot of the package had to be locked in before the aero testing in order to fit the timelines. Do you think you were too conservative with what you brought to the test? Or are you saying that the methodology that V8s uses needs to be changed?
Darren CoxCOX: Absolutely the methods are archaic. To do coast down tests to balance a car like that is not the way to do it.As you know, the V8 guys were forcing us to do certain things with the aero pack to balance the car. In the end they’ve balanced it in the wrong way and we’ve ended up with a top speed deficit. Unfortunately it’s resulted in a lot of bad publicity for us over engine performance, but actually a lot of it is down to the mandated aero pack that we were forced to run.We’ve been given approval to change the aero pack, which is again a load of money that we shouldn’t be having to spend, and we will get rebalanced when Volvo get their balance as well. Fingers crossed that they get it right this time.But already the commitment of Steve Horne (recently appointed head of the V8 Supercars Commission) is… he’s already said that it’s unacceptable the way that they’re measuring the cars. We need to get into the new millennium through CFD (Computational Fluid Dynamics), etc.

SPEEDCAFE: You’re obviously confident that the aero problem is coming from the panels that can be easily re-homologated, rather than as a result of how the body has been made to fit the chassis.
COX: No, it’s all in the aero pieces. For example, the gap between the boot and where the rear wing is, we’re not getting the right airflow from the boot onto the rear wing, or it’s detaching and the two are competing with each other.It’s simple stuff like that which means new body panels, but not redesigning the car, by any stretch of the imagination.
SPEEDCAFE: Fuel economy is clearly a big issue. Can Nismo’s help with the engine program bridge that gap?
MIYATANI: The fuel economy is something we will look at, but I’m not sure it’ll be critical for us.
COX: It’s all linked. If we’ve got loads of drag then we’re using more fuel. We need to try and knock over the problems as they come.

The article is an awesome read. Makes me laugh when at Sandown, Whincup was trying to blast the Altimas for having too much aero. Thats what they built the car to regarsing the V8SC regulations! It is what waa approved for this season. BUT, also makes me wonder if V8SC okayed the aero knowing the Altima wouldnt be a threat to blitz the field. :sly:

SPEEDCAFE: Miyatani-san, having not been directly involved until now, I’m interested in your view of how the project as a whole has worked to date.
MIYATANI: The project itself started in a little bit of a rush, I’d have to say. It was strongly pushed by the Nissan Australia team to promote the image of the Altima as a sports sedan, not just a luxury car. I think it was the right choice, but execution wise we did start a little bit in a rush, so we are trying to fix the situation.Each race (series) has its own unique kind of character. The engines, the aerodynamics, the chassis, the driver, the team operations, everything, you need to have at a certain level.For example, in Super GT in Japan, if you have a good engine or a good driver, just one piece of it isn’t enough to win the race. You need local expertise and knowledge about how you should be fighting in the race.For the Australian race, honestly, Nismo doesn’t have a real local knowledge for this race in order to win. So we are trying to help the areas we can help, particularly on the engine side, because it’s our engine.
COX: Miyatani-san makes a very good point about each championship being different. The thing that I’ve noticed the second time I’ve come (having attended the Clipsal 500 earlier in the season) is the myopic nature of Holden.In Super GT (in Japan) Nissan, Toyota and Honda know that each are an important player. All three have to be in the championship and all three have to be fighting at the front. All three have to have the right resources, the right drivers, the right engineers, the right tyres and go to the right race circuits that suit all the manufacturers.In the DTM, Mercedes and Audi wooed BMW for years trying to get them back in. When they did come back, it was that much of a level playing field that BMW won the championship first year back.But you go down to Australia and there’s this view that Nissan can’t win for the first two years because it needs to do the hard work. Well we’ve done the hard work. We’ve put a huge amount of money in, we’ve put a huge amount of resource, we’ve got a good team with good drivers and good engineers, and yet the view of Holden is that ‘they need to do the hard yards’ and that they’d rather us not be there.It’s no problem for Holden, they can go and have a one make series. The attitude of the championship, the organisers and the manufacturers, specifically Holden, need to look at the best practice in the DTM and Super GT in working together with manufacturers.At the moment it’s this historic ‘I’m red, you’re blue and never the twain shall meet, we can’t work together’. Well ok, the championship will die in five years then. Holden need to really wind it in and welcome the new manufacturers. Otherwise we’ll walk away again.
 
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Telling Holden like it is, damn.
 
Thats err... gutsy....
 
Makes me laugh when at Sandown, Whincup was trying to blast the Altimas for having too much aero.

Better not let Jamie read this article then. :lol:

Nissan calls in aero guru.
The designer of the radical Nissan Zeod RC experimental electric race car is assessing the aerodynamics of the struggling Altima V8 Supercar.

Ben Bowlby, director of Nissan motorsport innovation, is a world class aerodynamicist who worked at racing car constructor Lola for 11 years and leading US motorsport operation Ganassi Racing for nine years.

While much attention has focussed on the performance of the VK56DE V8 engine used in the four Nissan Motorsport Altimas in their debut season in the Championship, there is an emerging belief high speed aerodynamic deficiencies are primarily responsible for the car’s top-end speed problems.

UK-based Bowlby has been asked to examine the Altima and make recommendations and provide guidance to Nissan Motorsport in Melbourne.

“It’s going to be interesting,” Bowlby told motoring.com.au at Fuji Speedway in Japan, where the Zeod RC was making its public debut. “I would love to nudge it in the right direction and chat and talk and help. It’s all part of the family for us. We’ll see what happens.”
The Nissan’s aero package was locked in against the Erebus Motorsport Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG, Holden Commodore VF and Ford Falcon FG in parity testing at East Sale airforce base last January.

The aerodynamics were developed locally by Nissan Motorsport using contract expertise supplied through V8 Supercars.

Nissan has an opportunity to adjust the Altima’s aerodynamics for 2014 because the new Volvo S60 V8 Supercars will undergo aerodynamic parity testing in January.

Bowlby said the coast-down testing regime used by V8 Supercars was appropriate if there was no rolling road wind tunnel available.

“Coast down testing is extremely valuable. I think it is one of the most important ways of evaluating a car’s performance. If you don’t have access to a rolling road wind tunnel you would be crazy to do anything other than a straight line coast down testing.”
 
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2014 is going to be interesting!
 
Practice has started at the GC. Glad the track is still the same besides the slightly less wide approach to T2.

Shouldn't be a problem, last year the co-drivers didn't make it that far without causing a scene. I wonder if they will let them all start again.... :lol:
 
Actually going to miss watching all the international co-drivers, enjoyed seeing guys you don't normally see out here driving V8's. Though after last year, the teams probably won't miss the repair bills. :lol:
 
Last year was like GT ONLINE. Noonw used the middle pedal.
 
As if the battle between Whincup and Winterbottom wasn't interesting enough already.

Frosty labels Triple Eight team 'arrogant'.
BATHURST champion Mark Winterbottom has lit the fuse for an explosive Gold Coast 600, labelling V8 Supercars heavyweights Triple Eight Racing ''arrogant'' and declaring that he's ready to take the championship lead from arch rival Jamie Whincup.
Riding high on confidence after his breakthrough Mount Panorama win, Winterbottom said his Ford Performance Racing team now had the belief to knock off their dominant Holden rivals who he expected to come out firing after being trumped at Bathurst.

''From a team point of view, the Triple Eight guys are quite arrogant in how they approach their racing,'' he said.

''To get beaten by our team, and purely beaten in a straight out battle, that does more for our team than it does for them.

''The (FPR) team's pumped, I'm pumped. Everyone's walking around with a strut and swagger. We've got that confidence that you can't buy.

''We've got an incredible group of people and we've had some really good results but until we won Bathurst it was always people saying 'they've got good results but not the big one. They don't go well under pressure'.

''Now they can say what they want but we've won Bathurst. It credits all our other wins.

''It'll serve us well for the championship. We needed that good result.

''Whether it wins it or not who knows? But it'll do a lot for our team.''
Four-time series champion Whincup was gracious in defeat at Bathurst but said he wasn't worried about Winterbottom closing in on his series lead.

''Yes (Winterbottom will think he can catch me) but whether it's possible or not is another thing,'' he said.

''I'm sure he'll come out on cloud nine feeling like he's invincible for the rest of the year.

''Without doubt you feel fairly invincible after Bathurst but good on him. He deserved it. Him and his crew did a good job.''
 
Is it really the whole team whose arrogant or just Whincup?
 
Is it really the whole team whose arrogant or just Whincup?

I'd say he is the ring leader and they feed off of it. However, after the Nissan and Erebus issues I feel many Holden teams have a bout of arrogance.
 
Should be a tighter race at GC. Murph will try to redeem himself and Bright/Coulthard will step up I believe. Premat could have a good race as he's showing more fight before he exits(?) GRM. I say Moffat is best of the Nissans again and Slade best of Erebus. We'll see if Steve Johnson can qualify the car better because it seems like, from SJ's point of view, Maro needs serious help with car set up.

Frosty is strong here. If Whincup/Dumbrell dont get pole, I'll pick Lowndes to lead the majority of the race.
As always, I want Erebus to be on the podium. So, I'll say, Slade gets Erebus' first win.
Back to reality: Will Davison, Reynolds, Courtney. My top three Saturday.
Frosty, Lowndes, McLaughlin on Sunday. I especially dont want to rule out SVG, Holdsworth or Tander but, there ya go.

Too bad my post means diddly squat until the chequered flag Saturday and Sunday afternoon.
 
Haha nice picks mate, I'm hoping our young gun kiwis are in at least the top 6 if not the top 10, Go SVG and Scotty…
 
Too bad my post means diddly squat until the chequered flag Saturday and Sunday afternoon.

:lol:

Pretty good predictions, though. 👍 I'm sure Murphy will bounce back, you could how disappointed he was at what happened at Bathurst.

Will Davison set for Erebus move.
Will Davison will leave Ford Performance Racing at the end of the current season, bound for a seat at Erebus Motorsport.
The 31-year-old had been heavily linked to the Mercedes-AMG customer outfit earlier this month, at which point he stressed a desire to wait until after the Supercheap Auto Bathurst 1000 to lock in his plans.
With the event now run and won, the deal, which will see Davison remain one of the highest paid drivers on the V8 Supercars grid, is understood to have been concluded.
Davison declined to make any comment on the situation when contacted by Speedcafe.com on Tuesday, with a formal announcement not expected until the new year.

Premat bullish on Volvo prospects.
Alexandre Premat remains adamant that he will continue at Garry Rogers Motorsport next season when the team morphs into its new Volvo Polestar Racing guise.
Although Premat’s second year in the class has seen clear improvement over his 2012 campaign, several incidents have helped ensure that the Frenchman sits seven places behind his rookie team-mate Scott McLaughlin in the points standings.
“Definitely next year I will be in the team with Volvo,” Premat told Speedcafe.com when asked of his future.
“I’m sure I will be. What I have done the last two or three races I was as quick as Scott (McLaughlin) and I’m still in the process of learning the tracks in V8 Supercars.
“I think Bathurst suited more my driving style and I think the Gold Coast suits me too and Phillip Island and Sydney as well.
“I’ve done the job. I can’t do better than what I’ve done.”
Having shied away from bidding on the silly season’s big name stars such as James Courtney, Tim Slade and Will Davison, Volvo Australia is remaining coy on its plans for the #34 S60 in 2014.
Importing a Swede, particularly from Polestar’s five-strong Scandinavian Touring Car Championship outfit, has been touted as a possibility since the program’s July launch.
Polestar’s managing director Christian Dahl confirmed to Speedcafe.com at Bathurst his company’s preference for running one of its own drivers on the grounds of it benefiting ongoing engine work.
“I think development wise, developing the engine and getting the feedback from the driver it would be a quicker start for us to have a driver that we have been dealing with before,” said Dahl.
“There is always a development curve together between and engineer and a driver to know what they mean when they say the words and everything.”
Polestar, however, is working on the V8 Supercars project as a paid supplier of technical assistance.
Volvo Australia, which is bankrolling GRM’s switch from Holden to Volvo, appears certain to have the biggest say when it comes to the decision.
The company’s managing director, Matt Braid, says that a decision may not come until the end of the year.
 
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Davison at Erebus? Ohhhhhhhhhh snap! 4 car assault anyone? Anyone? Dont know if Erebus can do 4 cars if that takes the grid over 28. Same for RBRA if they do 4 cars. He'll slot in good with the team.

I want Premat to stay at GRM. I can understand Volvo's position to get more customers/fans/the world, to notice them in V8s, by having a Swedish driver.

IRWIN RACING GC600 PREVIEW with video (my Youtube isnt working on the YouTube app for some reason):
http://www.speedcafe.com/2013/10/23/video-irwin-racing-gc600-preview/
 
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Davison at Erebus? Ohhhhhhhhhh snap! 4 car assault anyone? Anyone? Dont know if Erebus can do 4 cars if that takes the grid over 28. Same for RBRA if they do 4 cars. He'll slot in good with the team.

I want Premat to stay at GRM. I can understand Volvo's position to get more customers/fans/the world, to notice them in V8s, by having a Swedish driver.

IRWIN RACING GC600 PREVIEW with video (my Youtube isnt working on the YouTube app for some reason):
http://www.speedcafe.com/2013/10/23/video-irwin-racing-gc600-preview/

Well Erebus has enough money behind them to do it.
 
True. But, Betty told Ryan Maddison(actually posting to us fans via her FB page) once he runs out of the intial budget she gave him, thats it! He has to get funds through sponsors. Id love to see 4 E63s out there.
 
What's the deal with their sponsorship situation? Are all three of Erebus's current sponsor's confirmed for next year? Have to imagine that getting a big name like Will Davison would help attract the sponsors. If they can't get a deal for a fourth car, hopefully the can remain at three cars at the very least.
 
Kind of sad to see him leave FPR but I don't think he seems to be happy there anymore. He is one of few guys I really like!

Can anyone confirm a few random things for me since this seems better overall place to post.

Do most Pre-order cars get billed now or when it ships? I know NASCAR ones I order is when it ships.

FPR's diecast are going to be fire and ice correct for their livery?

And anyone know where I can find both DJR retro Bathurst 1/43?

I was going to try to get matching sets of both retro falcons and originals but 1/18th are out of my range and 1/64 aren't made it most anymore so I'm kinda stuck at times!
 
What's the deal with their sponsorship situation? Are all three of Erebus's current sponsor's confirmed for next year? Have to imagine that getting a big name like Will Davison would help attract the sponsors. If they can't get a deal for a fourth car, hopefully the can remain at three cars at the very least.

Only one I know of from Will, is the Finance/Insurance company. Im sure Irwin are staying. No too sure about SP and HHA.

Can anyone confirm a few random things for me since this seems better overall place to post.

Do most Pre-order cars get billed now or when it ships? I know NASCAR ones I order is when it ships.

FPR's diecast are going to be fire and ice correct for their livery?

And anyone know where I can find both DJR retro Bathurst 1/43?

I was going to try to get matching sets of both retro falcons and originals but 1/18th are out of my range and 1/64 aren't made it most anymore so I'm kinda stuck at times!

I'm not up to date on the diecast cars.

VOLVO S60 V8 ON SCHEDULE

http://www.v8supercars.com.au/news/volvo-s60-v8-on-schedule
“If the engine runs okay on the dyno then you can put it in the car quite quickly. But if you run into trouble on the dyno that will prolong the program,” Christian Dahl, owner of Polestar Racing, told v8supercars.com.au at Bathurst.Dahl is certainly bullish in his expectations about what the dyno will reveal: “It is going to be an awesome engine and it is going to sound fantastic,” he predicted.Polestar simulations show the Volvo V8 will be on par with the other engines in the category, but Dahl says the push is on to produce competitive outputs sooner than the AMG M159 and Nissan VK56DE that have debuted this year in the Erebus Motorsport Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG and Nissan Motorsport Altima.“The new manufacturers coming in this year have had a bit of a struggle reaching the power levels they expected, so hopefully we can reach that a bit quicker and be competitive early in the season.
 
FPR's diecast are going to be fire and ice correct for their livery?

Can't help you with the pre-order question as I've never pre-ordered any models online before. :lol:

But I came across this site and a bunch of others taking pre-orders for the Bathurst winning FPR Falcon in all three scales.

And Apexreplica's make the DJR models. 2013 Retro livery in 1:43 on page 2. 👍
 
4 Erebus Mercs would be great but they should wait until they get on top of their 3.

Holdsworth, Davison and Engel is a pretty nice line-up.
 
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