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Holden or Ford

  • Holden

    Votes: 209 36.2%

  • Ford

    Votes: 175 30.3%

  • Ford and Holden

    Votes: 64 11.1%

  • Nismo

    Votes: 74 12.8%

  • Erebus

    Votes: 7 1.2%

  • Nismo and Erebus

    Votes: 6 1.0%

  • Volvo

    Votes: 43 7.4%
  • Total voters
    578
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NW48
There goes Perkins chance for tomorrow.

What an idiot is Heimgartner. Keep it off the track, not re-enter in front of a car then lose it.
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To be fair, at that speed he was really along for the ride. Especially with no brakes as he was complaining about.

Edit: *sigh* at least this doesn't count for points...
 
Damnit! So heartbreaking for Perkins/Ingall. Both had such a wonderful job today.
NW48
There goes Perkins chance for tomorrow.
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If it wasn't for friggin Lowndes, Jack wouldn't have been in that position.
 
That was an utter flop..
V8 supercars I hope your happy coz I'm definitely not.
All you've done Is ruin some good results in qualy and destroy cars for no reason whatsoever...
Dickheads
 
R1600Turbo
To be fair, at that speed he was really along for the ride. Especially with no brakes as he was complaining about.
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Keep it on the grass. He could see Perkins was right behind him, there was plenty of space to continue going ahead.

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Anyway, good to see that a PRA car didn't win, not so good to see Whincup winning again.

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Perkins is looking fairly dejected, and why wouldn't he be. Lowndes punts him off, then a bad decision by Heimgartner sees his race end early.
 
Now this gives Dumbell a chance to pull away. I just can't believe Frosty would let Whincup get P1 and gain momentum to take the championship. He is a bum. I hope Waters gets a rpcket start and gets Chaz maximum points.

Sorry for Jack and Russ.

I feel for Pye and Ambrose. Guess he didnt leearn from the first race. Pass on the inside for turn 1.

...and... Frosty is a bum.
 
Why doesn't V8 Supercars do Top 10 shootouts anymore? That was one of my favourite parts of the series when I started watching in 2010, but they seem to be slowly disappearing from the series. Sad.
 
ThomasJarrett
That was an utter flop..
V8 supercars I hope your happy coz I'm definitely not.
All you've done Is ruin some good results in qualy and destroy cars for no reason whatsoever...
Dickheads
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I haven't seen you around this thread until today and you're not putting out a good impression so far.
NW48
Keep it on the grass. He could see Perkins was right behind him, there was plenty of space to continue going ahead.
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I think that's asking for a bit much when you have no brakes.
aarror
Why doesn't V8 Supercars do Top 10 shootouts anymore? That was one of my favourite parts of the series when I started watching in 2010, but they seem to be slowly disappearing from the series. Sad.
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Agreed.
 
They should have ended qualifying at the end of the timed qualifying session. No need to continue with meaningless races. If V8SC wanted to get the co-drivers more seat time, give the co-drivers their own Qualy session. Simple.

R1600Turbo
I think that's asking for a bit much when you have no brakes.
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He did a great job to get it off the track, but he should have got off the gas, and let it roll down the hill back onto the track at the small straight before the turn and off into the gravel trap. Not keep on the gas and spin the car onto the track mid corner. Perkins also wondered why Heimgartner couldn't do that.
 
Just got home from work so I missed the action. I personally quite like the Qualy races, gives action to the Saturday.

Going to the track tomorrow, hopefully we can get there early enough to get a good seat at turn 6 or down the end of the back straight. Going to be a lovely day, perfect weather
 
NW48
They should have ended qualifying at the end of the timed qualifying session. No need to continue with meaningless races. If V8SC wanted to get the co-drivers more seat time, give the co-drivers their own Qualy session. Simple.
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I can go for that if they do a knock out and hand over to the main drivers for a Shoot Out.
 
05XR8
I can go for that if they do a knock out and hand over to the main drivers for a Shoot Out.
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My ideal Qualy format;
Co-driver's do two 20 minute Qualifying sessions, one on Hard and one on Soft tyres, the best combined times go through to a Top 10 shootout where the main drivers take the wheel.
 
What has me annoyed is, how I felt Mostert would have been screaming in his helmet for Frosty to pass Whincup. Anyone else would have been doing morse code on the RB. Glad I'm going for the 17.
 
NW48
He did a great job to get it off the track, but he should have got off the gas, and let it roll down the hill back onto the track at the small straight before the turn and off into the gravel trap. Not keep on the gas and spin the car onto the track mid corner. Perkins also wondered why Heimgartner couldn't do that.
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Did you see an on-board video that I didn't see? How do we know he was on the gas? You get to the end of a straight away doing upwards of 270k/h, have to take a cut across the grass which may or may not be slippery and hope you can keep it straight the whole time?

We as fans watching the race tend to think we would have done something better in that situation, but the truth is we were not in the car and for all we know he did what he could.
 
NW48
My ideal Qualy format;
Co-driver's do two 20 minute Qualifying sessions, one on Hard and one on Soft tyres, the best combined times go through to a Top 10 shootout where the main drivers take the wheel.
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I'd be fine if they did like, two qualifying sessions and combined both drivers times to set the grid. Anything would be better than the unnecessary races they insist on having.
 
That corner is always tricky. Dry or wet. Not what you need when trying to start a 500km race.
 
R1600Turbo
Did you see an on-board video that I didn't see? How do we know he was on the gas? You get to the end of a straight away doing upwards of 270k/h, have to take a cut across the grass which may or may not be slippery and hope you can keep it straight the whole time?

We as fans watching the race tend to think we would have done something better in that situation, but the truth is we were not in the car and for all we know he did what he could.
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If I recall correctly, I saw the wheels spinning forwards, and at speed. There hasn't been an on board, but the most likely reason for him to have spun was him keeping the boot into it. Now, I admire his determination and the balls he had to do that with little to no brakes, but was it really the smartest thing to do in that situation? Not really. By himself, yeah sure, but in traffic, no. The definitive truth though could only be known if we saw telemetry, which is unfortunately unlikely to happen. He may have done all he could, but it could have been done better. But hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Spacegoat
I'd be fine if they did like, two qualifying sessions and combined both drivers times to set the grid. Anything would be better than the unnecessary races they insist on having.
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I'd settle for that that as long as it means cars aren't being torn up in unnecessary crashes.
 
NW48
If I recall correctly, I saw the wheels spinning forwards, and at speed. There hasn't been an on board, but the most likely reason for him to have spun was him keeping the boot into it. Now, I admire his determination and the balls he had to do that with little to no brakes, but was it really the smartest thing to do in that situation? Not really. By himself, yeah sure, but in traffic, no. The definitive truth though could only be known if we saw telemetry, which is unfortunately unlikely to happen. He may have done all he could, but it could have been done better. But hindsight is a wonderful thing.
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IMHO spinning it out to try and scrub speed was the best option instead of stuffing it head on into a wall. At that point it's up to the cars behind him to avoid him, which I'm sure they could have done just fine had they used a little more caution. I mean, if we're going to sit here and say that he could have controlled the car better, why not say the guys behind him could have used more caution? Only seems fair.
 
Seriously, stop arguing about Heimgartners crash, he had no brakes at the fastest corner on the ciruit and spinning and attempting to wash off speed is alot better than slamming into the wall!
Did you never see Holdsworths shunt at that corner last year?
 
R1600Turbo
IMHO spinning it out to try and scrub speed was the best option instead of stuffing it head on into a wall. At that point it's up to the cars behind him to avoid him, which I'm sure they could have done just fine had they used a little more caution. I mean, if we're going to sit here and say that he could have controlled the car better, why not say the guys behind him could have used more caution? Only seems fair.
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He was well past any sort of wall that could cause massive damage. If he'd kept going straight, he'd eventually rejoin the track at a safer place and would have been able to continue onto a gravel trap that would have slowed him down just fine.

Spinning where he did left virtually no room for Perkins to avoid him, and had there been a few more cars behind Heimgartner, we would have been looking at a potentially much bigger crash then we would have if Heimgartner continued staight.

But as I said, hindsight is a wonderful thing, and we can be armchair stewards all we want but it won't change a thing. It wasn't all Heimgartner's fault, but in hindsight, it was an avoidable collision. Definitely no need for penalties.
 
Watching the recording. He taps the brakes 3 times before the corner. Just as he said in the interview. Hits the brake pedal and spears straight on at the curb. Nothing he could do.
 
05XR8
Watching the recording. He taps the brakes 3 times before the corner. Just as he said in the interview. Hits the brake pedal and spears straight on at the curb. Nothing he could do.
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I'm not debating the brake failure, he definitely had one. It's the way he came back onto the track that bothered me. But as I've said multiple times, the telemetry would show what really happened. Until then, there's not much point in continuing the discussion as we'll achieve nothing.
 
NW48
I'm not debating the brake failure, he definitely had one. It's the way he came back onto the track that bothered me.
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For sure. Usually the wheels are straight in that instance. Some how, he couldn't scrub with no brakes but, the rears managed to lock up once he got sideways. Maybe the throttle got stuck (I'm reaching). We'll see.
 
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