W.M.A. International Touring Car Championship-Season Wrap-Up!

[ITCC_Andrew]

agreed, lmao

Will do only short tests but Saturday I´m there (if destiny isn´t again against me)

Sakery and Dave, you two have the worst luck; actually, second worst, Flyin's TV broke. Sorry guys. I have no control over the weather and/or power worker strikes!

I thought we were going to run it.

Nirvana, I'm looking for people to give their best ideas for ballast.

 

[TDZdave]

Sakery and Dave, you two have the worst luck; actually, second worst, Flyin's TV broke. Sorry guys. I have no control over the weather and/or power worker strikes!


Nirvana, I'm looking for people to give their best ideas for ballast.

lmao, well i enjoyed my 8 laps to its fullest lmao, like i said you have it decend, the amount should vary, and if you half it for race 2, the have them get rid of it, it shouldnt cause tomuch hassle, theres no need for people to run it every race, because come the final, everyones cars gonna be 1694kg may aswell race water tanks lmao,

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

Thanks for the input, Dave!


Is there any chance that Norm and Johnny will be online at the same time? I'd like to try to figure out the connection problem that Norm and Johnny are having.

 

[Johnnypenso]

My idea for ballast is this:

Beginning with week 1 results/week2 race obviously, a success ballast will be imposed as follows:

Anyone finishing in the top 3 overall in a given week will be given the following ballast penalty. Ties are broken by best finishes (whoever has the best finish in the three races wins the tie breaker) and if still tied, the final tie-breaker will be the Q time.

Ballast Penalty

1st - 40 kgs
2nd - 30 kgs
3rd - 20 kgs

Ballast penalty is in effect for the next entire race weekend the driver in question is present for. If the drivers shows up for the race date but is unable to start each of the three races for any reason, the ballast penalty will carryover to the following week. If he starts each race but is disconnected or leaves for any other reason, the ballast penalty will be removed the following race date he attends.

In the next race weekend that the driver with ballast finishes outside the top 3, ballast is then removed in the reverse order it was placed on the car. For example, if Driver A has a 40 then 20 then 30kg ballast penalty after 3 weeks, and finishes 5th the following weekend, the 30 kgs of ballast is removed for the following race date. Should he then for example finish 4th, the 20kg ballast will come off for the following weekend. If at any point he finishes on the podium, the ballast penalty for that podium finish is applied for the following week on top of any existing ballast penalties.

Ballast is capped at a maximum of 120 kgs. Should a driver continuously finish on the podium he would carry the 120kg ballast penalty for the remainder of the season.

 

[NizmoDr3]

Is the track Forest reverse or Forest normal?

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

Is the track Forest reverse or Forest normal?

Deep Forest forward. Some friends and I were running the reverse for some fun, but the one guy got into a crash that... fully immobilized his car. I'm not taking chances.

 

[NizmoDr3]

Thanks for the clarification Mel

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

You know something's wrong, when you hit a wall that juts out of...seemingly nowhere... and it makes the car barely reach 50 km/h. Yeah. Deep Forest foward doesn't have that chance.

 

[NizmoDr3]

Lol ... Lets hope i don't hit any walls

 

[polarbear345]

I'm going to be in division 1's lounge... Come join!

 

[anirishnirvana]

I also did a 10 lap run on RS tires in the GT86 for comparison purposes. I was able to run 5 laps in the 28's with a best of 28.4, followed by 5 laps in the 29's with a worst of 29.6 and could easily run the entire race distance on RS tires never going over 30.0.

Like I said, where you get it from is something else, as I remembered your RX-8 & Mini performances.

Ballast is capped at a maximum of 120 kgs. Should a driver continuously finish on the podium he would carry the 120kg ballast penalty for the remainder of the season.

I liked the rest of the idea. However, I may have over 80kg ballast as it is, as overs might as well, I need to check. However, a power deduction can make up the difference. The question is, how much would be required?

 

[NizmoDr3]

In D1's lounge ... Anyone wanna test?

 

[freshseth83]

You were acting like a spoiled child Seth. It wasn't a question of whether you were right or not or whether your concerns were valid, it was your approach, your attitude, the way you interact with other people. Add that to the fact that Mel repeated that he would take a look at the car after the race, which is exactly what he is doing and it adds up to a spoiled child who wasn't listening. And if we're talking about "all fairness" I drove away from everyone in the RX-8, 2nd race at GVE and in the Mini at Tsukuba so that doesn't prove the car is necessarily superior, although it might be.

Do whatever you think needs to be done to the car specs Mel, but make sure you compare times in the car to your own lap times in other cars you've tested, not to someone else's lap times in the series. I think it's only fair though that I should be able to change cars at this point without penalty, just in case the car is completely gutted.

I never called anyone out until they- IMO- mislead us all. I watched the live timing on replays, the Evo pulled CONSECUTIVE 1:28's. That's far from saying it's a 1 lap pace. I only voiced my opinions on it, I didn't say names until people started trying to call me out like I was trying to be unfair. This is what happened, you pit lap 3 I pit lap 6. You pulled a gap on me even after I put fresh soft tires on, 3 or 4 laps newer. You slowed at the finish so the gap didn't appear as big or you did a slide across the finish line. I aint trying to start things, but be honest about your cars performance. I was honest about the Scirocco being a half second faster @Cape Ring. I was honest about the FTO doing 1:06's @GVE.

 

[LancerEvo7]

the Evo pulled CONSECUTIVE 1:28's.

So did you when we were testing together.

 

[freshseth83]

I also did a 10 lap run on RS tires in the GT86 for comparison purposes. I was able to run 5 laps in the 28's with a best of 28.4, followed by 5 laps in the 29's with a worst of 29.6 and could easily run the entire race distance on RS tires never going over 30.0

That's by yourself, not in a lobby with 13 others on track Kinda hard to get those times with others around you. Testing isn't the race.

 

[freshseth83]

I want to aplogise for the race conduct. Perhaps I experienced lag because my location compared to Nizmo's. I want to start things over anew with EVERYONE here. Lets drop the negativity and all else so we can get on with racing eachother and having fun.

 

[NizmoDr3]

It's cool Seth don't sweat it ...

What times is everyone running? What's the target time for Forest?

 

[cnd01]

It's cool Seth don't sweat it ...

What times is everyone running? What's the target time for Forest?

I will have an official press release soon.

 

[NizmoDr3]

Is any report going to be put up in the Race Recaps thread about the opening round?

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

Is any report going to be put up in the Race Recaps thread about the opening round?

I'll put up the video, once it's all finished. There will be commentary, interviews, and a few other things involved. I won't give it all away though.

 

[Johnnypenso]

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

Yeah. The cars are good, but the drivers are better. Prodigy's got a real talent in that '86 MR2 though. I was surprised to be battling against a car that slid so much, but he drifts around the tighter corners, and maintains speed and tire life. I was astonished.


Also, the Championship Honda Civic just doesn't seem to have the handling I want. The wheelbase in game is wrong, and I think it feels just too long, and doesn't turn as sharp as I thought. Now that everyone else's tuned their cars, and is driving them well, I'm a bit off-pace. Thankfully, in races, there are several factors that work for me, and I can run good lap times, but I wasn't anywhere near the 1:28 mark.

 

[Johnnypenso]

That's by yourself, not in a lobby with 13 others on track Kinda hard to get those times with others around you. Testing isn't the race.

Funny, my testing, practice, qualifying and race lap times in the RX-8, Mini, S2000 and Evo were all consistent. Of course I can't run the same lap times in traffic unless the traffic is at the same pace as me (when I am close to Cnd and we're alone on the track we don't seem to have any trouble running very fast laps, lap after lap). I pointed out the lap times in the GT86 because I have no doubt had I started with that car, the results would have been identical. Of all the cars I've tested for this series, the GT86 is by far the easiest to drive and tune.

And if you look back, you'll see I never said it was a one lap pace that was someone else. In fact, I'm pretty sure I've never even posted my lap times.

I never called anyone out until they- IMO- mislead us all. I watched the live timing on replays, the Evo pulled CONSECUTIVE 1:28's. That's far from saying it's a 1 lap pace. I only voiced my opinions on it, I didn't say names until people started trying to call me out like I was trying to be unfair. This is what happened, you pit lap 3 I pit lap 6. You pulled a gap on me even after I put fresh soft tires on, 3 or 4 laps newer. You slowed at the finish so the gap didn't appear as big or you did a slide across the finish line. I aint trying to start things, but be honest about your cars performance. I was honest about the Scirocco being a half second faster @Cape Ring. I was honest about the FTO doing 1:06's @GVE.

As I said before, I could easily run the entire race in the GT86 on softs. It's not an advantage unique to the Evo, it's an advantage all non-FWD cars have in this series. I could have pitted in the GT86 at the end of lap 1 and still had 2/3 of my tires at the end of the race and been running 1:29
s if I needed to. So whatever advantages you think the Evo or any other car has, your car has the same advantages, you are just not capable of getting the same bang for the buck either because of your setup, your driving style or your equipment, or some combination of those.

It's not the car...💡

 

[cnd01]

I will be available to test tonight probably around 10:00 EDT tonight.That's 7:00 PDT.

 

[freshseth83]

IMO it IS the car. You would be able to run the race on the same set of tires, but your times will drop from racing others. I don't tune aggressively, doing that takes too much off the tires. Any car is easy to setup, you just have to understand what GT5's unique tuning is about. I think the RX7 is beastly, I just use the Toyota because that's who I like.

 

[cnd01]

IMO it IS the car. You would be able to run the race on the same set of tires, but your times will drop from racing others. I don't tune aggressively, doing that takes too much off the tires. Any car is easy to setup, you just have to understand what GT5's unique tuning is about. I think the RX7 is beastly, I just use the Toyota because that's who I like.

I have no clue what tuning some parts of the car makes it do. I just use trial and error. I now physically what tuning does, but I don't know what doing that specific thing to the car makes the car behave differently. I have figured out the springs, ride height, and dampers. I have a decent idea about the anti-roll bars, but as for toe and camber, I just use trial and error.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

Further action from the Page 96 investigation:


I've heard all cases, and one penalty was handed out. The penalty was 30 points, for unacceptable language and avoidable contact. A warning was given to a few drivers, reminding them to mind their braking points.



I believe the Team of Stewards made the right call, based on the info given and the Investigation interviews with drivers. An official "summary" of the crash in Race 3A from Madrid will be included in the Race Recap video, which I will be posting at a later date.



The current points are accurate, up-to-date, and reflect all penalties.



If anyone has a Skype account with Voice chat, and would like to commentate in the highlights video, please say so.

 

[cnd01]

Getting on now for a little testing. I will be in D1's lounge.

 

[NizmoDr3]

Pace and tyre wear, non-existent in the Forest

After extensive testing, the Jormo-Subaru drivers are somewhat nervous about the trip over the hills to Deep Forest Raceway. After the promising display shown by TDZDave by running in the top 3 in Race 1 at Madrid, until a lack of power sent him out of the mix, NizmoDr3 finishing 4th in Race 2 and team points landing them 5th overall, it seems the ball is rolling in the wrong direction.

Seeing as both drivers are struggling to break into the 1.19s in the Forest, an Autosport journalist overheard TDZ stating, "I dont know where the pace has gone well, I do, its gone, and it didnt leave us a message telling us where to retrieve it from for this weekends race."

NizmoDr3 had this to say, "We don't have the pace in the Forest. We are about 1 or 2 seconds off the pace compared to the other teams. Not to mention the fact that the tyres are non existent at the moment. I'm struggling to get 2 good laps out of them. Understeer is the biggest contributing factor to this problem. We've got some of the best engineers in the world having a look at the cars, but, I don't know. Lets hope we can get this problem fixed before qualifying this weekend."

With Jormo-Subaru on the back foot already before Race 2 at Madrid, and it continuing to go down hill, only this weekend's race will see if they have what it takes to turn their fortunes around...

 

[TDZdave]

Pace and tyre wear, non-existent in the Forest

After extensive testing, the Jormo-Subaru drivers are somewhat nervous about the trip over the hills to Deep Forest Faceway. After the promising display shown by TDZDave by running in the top 3 in Race 1 at Madrid, until a lack of power sent him out of the mix, NizmoDr3 finishing 4th in Race 2 and team points landing them 5th overall, it seems the ball is rolling in the wrong direction.

Seeing as both drivers are struggling to break into the 1.19s in the Forest, an Autosport journalist overheard TDZ stating, "I dont know where the pace has gone well, I do, its gone, and it didnt leave us a message telling us where to retrieve it from for this weekends race."

NizmoDr3 had this to say, "We don't have the pace in the Forest. We are about 1 or 2 seconds off the pace compared to the other teams. Not to mention the fact that the tyres are non existent at the moment. I'm struggling to get 2 good laps out of them. Understeer is the biggest contributing factor to this problem. We've got some of the best engineers in the world having a look at the cars, but, I don't know. Lets hope we can get this problem fixed before qualifying this weekend."

With Jormo-Subaru on the back foot already before Race 2 at Madrid, and it continuing to go down hill, only this weekend's race will see if they have what it takes to turn their fortunes around...

my setup is where i would like it, handling wise, the fact is the cars SLOW!!!!
or expensive on tires, exclusive to ITCC press and members,