W.M.A. International Touring Car Championship-Season Wrap-Up!

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How much horsepower should cars have?

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Great test today. I ran a 1.18.8 on softs. The feedback on the wheel is astonishing. I had a hard time with car control.
 
MrMelancholy15
I've recently purchased an Evo VIII MR. I will be specing the Evo VIII MR '03 (the exact car that Johnny drove,) during this week, and I will ensure that it is at least one tenth per lap slower than you, Seth, but this will be the last time you complain about the cars' specs. I'm sure most people are tired of hearing about the specs, since all cars seemed equal, except the Evo VIII MR. NO MORE.
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freshseth83
2 out of 3 wins, temper tantrum my ass. What happened to the tire wear? It wasn't there. Just like I said it wouldn't be. You pit lap 3 and drove away from the rest of the field even AFTER they pit for new tires. ME INCLUDED. I'm the spoiled child though? Grow a pair and admit that my concerns were warranted. I'm all for fairness, not getting my way.
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You were acting like a spoiled child Seth. It wasn't a question of whether you were right or not or whether your concerns were valid, it was your approach, your attitude, the way you interact with other people. Add that to the fact that Mel repeated that he would take a look at the car after the race, which is exactly what he is doing and it adds up to a spoiled child who wasn't listening. And if we're talking about "all fairness" I drove away from everyone in the RX-8, 2nd race at GVE and in the Mini at Tsukuba so that doesn't prove the car is necessarily superior, although it might be.

Do whatever you think needs to be done to the car specs Mel, but make sure you compare times in the car to your own lap times in other cars you've tested, not to someone else's lap times in the series. I think it's only fair though that I should be able to change cars at this point without penalty, just in case the car is completely gutted.
 
Johnnypenso
You were acting like a spoiled child Seth. It wasn't a question of whether you were right or not or whether your concerns were valid, it was your approach, your attitude, the way you interact with other people. Add that to the fact that Mel repeated that he would take a look at the car after the race, which is exactly what he is doing and it adds up to a spoiled child who wasn't listening. And if we're talking about "all fairness" I drove away from everyone in the RX-8, 2nd race at GVE and in the Mini at Tsukuba so that doesn't prove the car is necessarily superior, although it might be.

Do whatever you think needs to be done to the car specs Mel, but make sure you compare times in the car to your own lap times in other cars you've tested, not to someone else's lap times in the series. I think it's only fair though that I should be able to change cars at this point without penalty, just in case the car is completely gutted.
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johnny mate, you really only had incredible 1 lap pace, until our incedent i didnt really have much of a problem keeping with you, and cnd01 had no problem keeping with me, we actually broke away from the pack, my understanding is that you get success ballast, and quite alot after 2 wins, that will balance it out, if so then perhaps your minimum weight should be lifted, however, in saying that your team mate was no where to be seen so i cant see the point in penalizing both cars for the sake of a sook,
 
The problem is, though, that I don't see where you're getting the two seconds... I don't see where you, or cnd get your speed from. The 1:28s at Madrid were incredible. I tried the Evo VIII MR '03 at the specs you're running, and got roughly the same lap times as I did with the Honda. While it might be possible to tune it (I ran with no tuning setup changes) to get the last few tenths, I think it does come down to driver talent.


I won't say that I'm slow, because I know I'm not, (not really two seconds off pace) but I wasn't even able to get 1:29s in qualifying at Madrid, while you ran a 1:28.335. I know that the Evo's a good car, but I don't think it's the car's lap times. I think, probably correctly, that it's the Driver's lap times.



With regards to performance/success ballast, I will be assigning ballast based on the points standings after each *round.* I'd still like to hear everyone's suggestions, about what people think is fair.

Certainly, Johnny will get the most, considering he got 67 points (the maximum allowed for two races) by the end of race 2.
 
MrMelancholy15
The problem is, though, that I don't see where you're getting the two seconds... I don't see where you, or cnd get your speed from. The 1:28s at Madrid were incredible. I tried the Evo VIII MR '03 at the specs you're running, and got roughly the same lap times as I did with the Honda. While it might be possible to tune it (I ran with no tuning setup changes) to get the last few tenths, I think it does come down to driver talent.


I won't say that I'm slow, because I know I'm not, (not really two seconds off pace) but I wasn't even able to get 1:29s in qualifying at Madrid, while you ran a 1:28.335. I know that the Evo's a good car, but I don't think it's the car's lap times. I think, probably correctly, that it's the Driver's lap times.
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the only way i see that sort of pace is if the VCD setting was like 40/60 i pulled a 1.27.4 in testing but killed the tires in 1 lap, jonny didnt run away, its definately driver, setup and strategy that won it for him, my qually lap was 1.29.5 something and nizmodr3 was approx a second behind with almost the same setup, i didnt hit all the marks, and i think damu in the rx7 was a 1.28.9 for qually, had all setups been on the ball and everyone hit the marks, we wouldve all been in half a second apart, but the truth is, not everyones the same driver, not everyone uses the same setup, and not everyone uses the same lines, all this saves or costs time,

i would say 1kg per point but 67kgs of ballast is alot, kinda, i rekon 1st get 40 kg, then 2nd get 30kg, and 3rd gets 20kg 4th gets 10, for qually and race 1, then they get to halve that amout for race 2 and get none for race 3, (it being a sprint race)
 
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I fully agree. I'm just saying, that the pace in this series is surprising. Good job, guys! 👍 You're really forcing me to search for every tenth I can get.
 
MrMelancholy15
I fully agree. I'm just saying, that the pace in this series is surprising. Good job, guys! 👍 You're really forcing me to search for every tenth I can get.
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Yep, the pace is incredible! ...maybe we check random car specs each week?...
 
MrMelancholy15
I fully agree. I'm just saying, that the pace in this series is surprising. Good job, guys! 👍 You're really forcing me to search for every tenth I can get.
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like i said id rather be 10th hunting people down within a second of each othe then run a lonely 3rd lol
 
TDZdave
like i said id rather be 10th hunting people down within a second of each othe then run a lonely 3rd lol
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Aye, I would prefer that as well. My main point, is that I don't want it to be the same guy, each time, either. I think we definitely need to work with the performance ballast etc. to ensure that a new driver wins each week. :lol:

Of course, I think everyone will have their chance to win.
 
polarbear345
Yep, the pace is incredible! ...maybe we check random car specs each week?...
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Is this a decent idea? Different cars each week. And not all cars, just some. Or maybe have the winner of each race has to stay on track and have their car spec'd?...
 
polarbear345
Is this a decent idea? Different cars each week. And not all cars, just some. Or maybe have the winner of each race has to stay on track and have their car spec'd?...
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im happy with that.... as long as its not the same person everytime,
 
TDZdave
im happy with that.... as long as its not the same person everytime,
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Certainly, if someone does a very good job, and wins a lot, or continually gets podiums, we might check them twice, for example, but I think it'll be important. I'll allow some specification checks, during the practice before the race.
 
MrMelancholy15
Certainly, if someone does a very good job, and wins a lot, or continually gets podiums, we might check them twice, for example, but I think it'll be important. I'll allow some specification checks, during the practice before the race.
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understandably lol,
 
MrMelancholy15
The problem is, though, that I don't see where you're getting the two seconds... I don't see where you, or cnd get your speed from. The 1:28s at Madrid were incredible. I tried the Evo VIII MR '03 at the specs you're running, and got roughly the same lap times as I did with the Honda. While it might be possible to tune it (I ran with no tuning setup changes) to get the last few tenths, I think it does come down to driver talent.

I won't say that I'm slow, because I know I'm not, (not really two seconds off pace) but I wasn't even able to get 1:29s in qualifying at Madrid, while you ran a 1:28.335. I know that the Evo's a good car, but I don't think it's the car's lap times. I think, probably correctly, that it's the Driver's lap times.

With regards to performance/success ballast, I will be assigning ballast based on the points standings after each *round.* I'd still like to hear everyone's suggestions, about what people think is fair.

Certainly, Johnny will get the most, considering he got 67 points (the maximum allowed for two races) by the end of race 2.
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Like you Mel, I have a background in Karting, several years of real life race experience. I think some of the speed comes from that and some from understanding the game and how it works and being able to work within those limitations and forgetting about what should work in real life, but doesn't within the game. I also put a lot of effort into tuning for a while last year, and entered a couple of tuning contests to check my own theories and they seemed to work based on the reviews I got.

Success ballast is a good idea but I think the paramters should have been laid out in the preseason, not by popular vote after the first race. Be that as it may, I believe the paramters need to be well defined, and should go by placing, rather than individual results. By that I mean, 1st overall in a particular week gets X ballast, 2nd overall gets Y ballast and 3rd overall gets Z ballast. Shouldn't matter if you win 1 or all 3 races, nor if you win at all if you finish in the top 3 in a given week. The ballast should apply to every race in the following week as a minimum. It has to be fair and also appear to be impartial.

You also have to lay out rules for cumulative ballast, maximum ballast, and for when the ballast should drop off. Are you going to cap it at some level or can it go on forever increasing? If a particular driver(s) gets so much ballast they are no longer in the top 3, some of it should be removed so you have to lay out how and when that occurs.

TDZdave
the only way i see that sort of pace is if the VCD setting was like 40/60 i pulled a 1.27.4 in testing but killed the tires in 1 lap, jonny didnt run away, its definately driver, setup and strategy that won it for him, my qually lap was 1.29.5 something and nizmodr3 was approx a second behind with almost the same setup, i didnt hit all the marks, and i think damu in the rx7 was a 1.28.9 for qually, had all setups been on the ball and everyone hit the marks, we wouldve all been in half a second apart, but the truth is, not everyones the same driver, not everyone uses the same setup, and not everyone uses the same lines, all this saves or costs time,

i would say 1kg per point but 67kgs of ballast is alot, kinda, i rekon 1st get 40 kg, then 2nd get 30kg, and 3rd gets 20kg 4th gets 10, for qually and race 1, then they get to halve that amout for race 2 and get none for race 3, (it being a sprint race)
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What's a VCD setting? Someone mentioned the weight distribution a while back saying it must be better than a standard Evo. It's actually 62/38, about as bad as you can get in several respects.

polarbear345
Yep, the pace is incredible! ...maybe we check random car specs each week?...
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I think that's a great idea. We should have random spec checks. It's quite simple to do and it should be a surprise at some point and completely random.
 
This was my success ballast idea way back when I first joined ...

NizmoDr3
First of all, thank you to MrMelancholy15 for registering me.

Secondly concerning the ballast system.
I agree with freshseth83 on his idea. Keeping that extra weight until the next podium is a valid point. But is 10kg not too little?

What about running it similar to the old super touring success ballast rule.

"The top three finishers in each race would receive an additional 40kg, 30kg and 20kg, which had to be carried in the car at the following race meeting. A maximum of 40kg was given to any driver achieving a podium finish in both races."

It will keep things fair and ensure that there is no runaway winner in a specific car.

Dunno just my 2 cents worth...
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NizmoDr3
J-S is 5th in team standings ... Not bad considering I lost my team mate ... lol
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Look at the Driver's championship! It's incredible! Asides from those people who weren't able to come to/join the Madrid race, the points are pretty close. The spread between 1st and 6th is 21 points, and 5th and 6th are tied.

While it's still too soon to make any real championship predictions, I believe that it'll be a close race.



Also, if your name isn't Nizmo, don't forget to put in your personal input about the success ballast!
 
MrMelancholy15
Also, if your name isn't Nizmo, don't forget to put in your personal input about the success ballast!
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I thought we were going to run it. I was about to apologise for not changing it in race 2 after the mass dc got me.

Anyways, regarding Johnny. Where he gets his pace from and tyre wear is something else. I figured his 1:28.3 was qualifying pace and he'd go half a second a lap slower if need be. However, he posted a 1:28.4 the second lap out of the pits.

Race 1, he was fighting cnd for the win. Race 2, the strategy worked beautifully. I had pitted the same lap and was comfortably in a podium position at the beginning of lap 10, from last at the end of lap 3 (when we pitted). Of course, stuff happened after that point, but c'est la vie.
 
Johnnypenso
What's a VCD setting? Someone mentioned the weight distribution a while back saying it must be better than a standard Evo. It's actually 62/38, about as bad as you can get
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the VCD,(variable centre diffrential) allows you to change how much power is going to the front and rear wheel, maximum on the front is a 50/50 split, only more power can go to the rear but the balance changes eg, 20/80, 30/70, 45/55 etc, with a 40/60 balance i can get into the 1.27s at madrid but it kills the tires in 3/4 of a lap,
 
anirishnirvana
Anyways, regarding Johnny. Where he gets his pace from and tyre wear is something else. I figured his 1:28.3 was qualifying pace and he'd go half a second a lap slower if need be. However, he posted a 1:28.4 the second lap out of the pits.
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I also did a 10 lap run on RS tires in the GT86 for comparison purposes. I was able to run 5 laps in the 28's with a best of 28.4, followed by 5 laps in the 29's with a worst of 29.6 and could easily run the entire race distance on RS tires never going over 30.0.

TDZdave
the VCD,(variable centre diffrential) allows you to change how much power is going to the front and rear wheel, maximum on the front is a 50/50 split, only more power can go to the rear but the balance changes eg, 20/80, 30/70, 45/55 etc, with a 40/60 balance i can get into the 1.27s at madrid but it kills the tires in 3/4 of a lap,
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Ahhh the torque split, yes the car has one of those.
 
Johnnypenso
What's a VCD setting? Someone mentioned the weight distribution a while back saying it must be better than a standard Evo. It's actually 62/38, about as bad as you can get in several respects.
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That's actually worse than my Evo 7.
 
anyone who has the replays shared on gt5, can you please add me so i can view them, please?
 
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