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Meltac
PD makes us buy that Ferrari in order to complete the Weeklies, so it's (slightly hidden) pay-to-win mechanics. No need to beautify this.
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But... it is a one make, with a new car, so of course we need to buy it, they do it with all new cars.

It is not pay to win, at best it is pay to participate.

Don't you want to use the new cars ?
 
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Lomic
It is not pay to win, at best it is pay to participate.
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You cannot win if you cannot participate. So, in order to participate AND win you have to pay (with in-game money).

I know that PD makes this with most new cars, and I'm not complaining about it - I'm just saying it the way it is. What's wrong with being honest?
 
Enjoy the weekend, everyone! :lol:

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Meltac
You cannot win if you cannot participate. So, in order to participate AND win you have to pay (with in-game money).

I know that PD makes this with most new cars, and I'm not complaining about it - I'm just saying it the way it is. What's wrong with being honest?
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There's no 'pay-to-win' because you aren't spending anything real.
Buying cars in-game using in-game money to do in-game events isn't predatory pay-to-win mechanics. It's playing the game.

Mountain out of a molehill.
 
Nebuc72
There's no 'pay-to-win' because you aren't spending anything real.
Buying cars in-game using in-game money to do in-game events isn't predatory pay-to-win mechanics. It's playing the game.

Mountain out of a molehill.
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As I said before, my post was not meant as a complaint. It was just a little side statement. So it's not me mountaining out of a molehill!

Anyways, apparently I have hurt the feelings of a couple of players, so my apologies for that.

Could we please close that topic now?
 
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SpacedInvader
Well, unless you rely only on using prize cars, by this logic it's all pay-to-win...
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IIRC I have bought two cars at most during the regular game campagn, licenses and missions. And even those were not really necessary for progressing. So yes, you could mostly rely on prize cars unless you do the Weeklies.

EDIT: My point is, I'm totally happy with buying cars in GT7 - as long as I can decide which cars to buy. Which is not the case when doing the Weeklies. But sure, you can argue that it is my free decision to do or not to do the Weeklies ;)
 
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Meltac
IIRC I have bought two cars at most during the regular game campagn, licenses and missions. And even those were not really necessary for progressing. So yes, you could mostly rely on prize cars unless you do the Weeklies.
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Well done. Seriously.

But you must know that's not how most people play the game. Buying a car for a one-make race, if you've not already been gifted it, isn't too much of an ask imo.
 
PD: Collect all these wonderful, high-performance and classic cars from automotive history in Gran Turismo 7. Scanned in glorious detail!

GT Planet User: buy a car using in-game currency? Never!

I'm joking obviously, but this whole conversation could easily be turned into a skit.
 
Meltac
You cannot win if you cannot participate. So, in order to participate AND win you have to pay (with in-game money).
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Except that is not what Pay-to-Win is. Pay-to-win involves real money to buy something with an actual sizable advantage in gameplay. This argument completely falls apart for the fact that:

  • There is no real money involved to get this car.
  • Because you're buying the same car competing, you aren't even given a significant advantage.

All you done is like so many, misuse a word to describe something.

Meltac
I know that PD makes this with most new cars, and I'm not complaining about it - I'm just saying it the way it is. What's wrong with being honest?
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Simple: That's NOT the way it is. You are confidently stating something that is factually wrong.

And additionally: If this is supposedly not a complaint, then why is this NOW a statement you make if you know this happens every time PD release a new update with new cars?
 
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Wow! Just wow!! Revise my initial post:

Meltac
Oh man, that's gonna one of the hardest weeks we had so far! Rallycross at Catalunya, Kei Car race, Super formula and a pay-to-win one-make...
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One little word (or three, if you want) to create such a big sh.. storm!
Lomic
And you need to buy the game in order to play too 🤷‍♂️
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SpacedInvader
Well done. Seriously.

But you must know that's not how most people play the game. Buying a car for a one-make race, if you've not already been gifted it, isn't too much of an ask imo.
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benjoi84
PD: Collect all these wonderful, high-performance and classic cars from automotive history in Gran Turismo 7. Scanned in glorious detail!

GT Planet User: buy a car using in-game currency? Never!

I'm joking obviously, but this whole conversation could easily be turned into a skit.
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RACECAR
Except that is not what Pay-to-Win is. Pay-to-win involves real money to buy something with an actual sizable advantage in gameplay. This argument completely falls apart for the fact that:

  • There is no real money involved to get this car.
  • Because you're buying the same car competing, you aren't even given a significant advantage.

All you done is like so many, misuse a word to describe something.



Simple: That's NOT the way it is. You are confidently stating something that is factually wrong.

And additionally: If this is supposedly not a complaint, then why is this NOW a statement you make if you know this happens every time PD release a new update with new cars?
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Famine
Even if the Pay part was accurate - and it isn't, as above - it'd be pay-to-play. Pay-to-win applies to things you can play for free but have to invest in to be competitive.
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I have already apologized for potentially having offended certain people and won't do it again.

Pay-to-win, pay-to-participate, pay-to-play... put it like you want. You have to pay. And giving that in-game credits can be bought with real money, some people might even buy those cars with real money. And when grinding for it, you'll have to "pay" with part of your life time.

But nevermind, it's ok. I'm used to this sort of stuff.
 
Meltac
Wow! Just wow!! Revise my initial post:


One little word (or three, if you want) to create such a big sh.. storm!









I have already apologized for potentially having offended certain people and won't do it again.

Pay-to-win, pay-to-participate, pay-to-play... put it like you want. You have to pay. And giving that in-game credits can be bought with real money, some people might even buy those cars with real money. And when grinding for it, you'll have to "pay" with part of your life time.

But nevermind, it's ok. I'm used to this sort of stuff.
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Genuinely interested. What exactly are you using your in game credits for? Must have a lot by now.

Edit: Nobody is offended by your posts, just a bit confused.
 
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SpacedInvader
Genuinely interested. What exactly are you using your in game credits for? Must have a lot by now.

Edit: Nobody is offended by your posts, just a bit confused.
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Ok, fair enough. Since I haven't explicitly apologized yet for having created confusion: Really sorry for that!

As for your genuin interest: As I said before, buying cars that I want to buy, because I want to own that car, not just because I like to complete the Weeklies. I'm doing a lot of custom races where I need specific cars and sometimes also specific liveries and I need to tune them to reach a certain PP amount, which often involves swapping engines and/or many tuning parts. Expensive business. For example, for my "Tour de Corse" custom races I have spent several millions.

Furthermore, for me personally, it "feels" much better to win a car (or to get it gifted) than to buy it myself.
 
Meltac
I have already apologized for potentially having offended certain people and won't do it again.
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Nobody's offended, just weirded-out that you're using specific gaming terminology incorrectly as a justification for not liking something.

You don't have to justify not liking something. Just say that you don't. There's no need to borrow a term you heard/read somewhere and mash it into somewhere it doesn't fit.
 
Famine
Nobody's offended, just weirded-out that you're using specific gaming terminology incorrectly as a justification for not liking something.

You don't have to justify not liking something. Just say that you don't. There's no need to borrow a term you heard/read somewhere and mash it into somewhere it doesn't fit.
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Understood. However, since you're so into being as correct as possible: I never actually said that I didn't like anything. I just said that the current one is getting a hard week...

EDIT: ...and, unfortunately used those three words in an apparently misleading sense.
 
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Meltac
IIRC I have bought two cars at most during the regular game campagn, licenses and missions. And even those were not really necessary for progressing. So yes, you could mostly rely on prize cars unless you do the Weeklies.

EDIT: My point is, I'm totally happy with buying cars in GT7 - as long as I can decide which cars to buy. Which is not the case when doing the Weeklies. But sure, you can argue that it is my free decision to do or not to do the Weeklies ;)
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I get what you're saying. I have zero interest in the new or any Ferraris for that matter, so I'm not planning on buying them. So I'll sit that race out. Not a big deal.
 
The Super Formula event as CGV is a tricky one.

Seems to be strategy is doing the race on RH without stopping. Fuel mix 3 after a few laps on fuel mix 4.

I'm finding setting the traction control higher to help with tyre wear. I guess I should move the brake bias forward too...
 
A bit late, last week events were the first I tried on hard difficulty. First attempt on each, except Yas Marina.

Hard difficulty, no help but ABS on standard, using a Logitech RS50 on a GT Omega Titan, cockpit view. H shifter and clutch when it matches the car.

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Japanese FF Challenge 450: Stock FTO, 450pp.
Easy win but without CRB.

Silvia Sisters: Silvia spec-R Aero S15 '02, 599pp.
I expected something harder, as the SilvSis races are often quite though. Easy win even with a mistake at the end of the opposing straight. No CRB.

European FR Challenge 550: Maserati GranTurismo S '08, 587pp
One of my favourite Euro FR cars, first time I try it with the RS50. And the new tyres physics, it felt incredibly easy... Until a slight excess of optimism. Still an easy win, still no CRB.

One lap Magic: 3rd on first attempt, good enough for the tickets. No CRB

World Touring Car 800: First attempt with the 296 GT3, on a track I almost don't know at all, save for watching F1.
Beautiful track, sure, but as enjoyable as your average Hermann Tilke track... At least he understood tracks needs curves when he designed COTA. At last.
Still quite technical if not enjoyable at all, and I was too slow with the 296.
Switched to my 799pp 787B and normal difficulty, and then won easily with more than 30s...
 
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