Weekly Race Series, Week 47

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Boom said:

"You can't excede the 2.2 power to weight ratio even after the break-in period."

To me, that says that as long as your car does not exceed (in this case meaning goes under... stupid GT3 and it's stupid Weight-to-power ratio :D) the PWR limit, anything you do to it is fine. So running a car past it's peak in order to reduce the power enough to fit in with the PWR is acceptable.

Well, that's what I read into that anyway :D
 
Originally posted by boombexus
The Car: Any Rally Car. Power to Weight ratio may not be below 2.6
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Hope that clears up the mistake in famine's post. :D

Sorry to point it out.

btw, I took a spin, did just that and spun. Turned out I was on a stock car with 4.0 pwr and mediums.
 
Took another try and made came up with a starting point @ 56.8.

However, Im not too sure about my ability to run in the wet. Im gonna work at it thanks to this race, but for now, Im just not sure I will work too much.

Catch you guys around. Heinrich, nice splits. 👍
These wet courses always have time to lose hidden throughout every turn. Good luck to all in finding it.

Later.
btw, if anyone is having trouble with this race, go look at your licenses... Super license test 6? :confused: is a trueno on this course. Not a bad practice run for sure.
 
thx Kent :D

I think I can still improve my time, but geeze, I would have to imagine that there is no water in the track:lol:
 
I'm out for this week. I've tried a few times, and I was still a good distance off of Heinrich's first sector times. I was only using the Subaru/Mitsubishi Rally Cars, I really don't want to break the cars in. I think I would just screw it up even more trying to get miles on the car through the MK-whatever program.

See you guys next week!
 
Broke it down to 55.9 but don't think it will be moving much from there.

I will come back if I remain active in the race... till then, good luck.
 
Originally posted by Goomba
I'm out for this week. I've tried a few times, and I was still a good distance off of Heinrich's first sector times. I was only using the Subaru/Mitsubishi Rally Cars, I really don't want to break the cars in. I think I would just screw it up even more trying to get miles on the car through the MK-whatever program.

See you guys next week!
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If you've got a spare 206 prize car in your garage, you just need to stick the stage 2 turbo on it, T8 tyres and change the oil. Then you're laughing.
 
Originally posted by Famine
If you've got a spare 206 prize car in your garage, you just need to stick the stage 2 turbo on it, T8 tyres and change the oil. Then you're laughing.
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I'm pretty sure I tried the Peugot 206 once or twice... Oh well, nothing else to do, lets see where this leads me.

I threw the Peugot around a few times, and I had a 55.1xx, I got bored with it, but I might pull some more times later.
 
Originally posted by Famine
Boom said:

"You can't excede the 2.2 power to weight ratio even after the break-in period."
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The above statement reads to me as the racer should never have a car that is below the ruled PWR no matter how many miles are on it.

But anyway. We did it that way a few weeks ago, so let's try it the other way this time. I'll admit that I'm a bit hesitant to do it this way (running miles on your car so it falls back into spec regulations, as it's easier to cheat.) but I'm willing to let you use this method this time around.

So the ruling for this week will state that you may run a car to it's point of where it looses power so that it meets the 2.6 PWR.

If anyone has any comments either positive or negative regarding this ruling, please let me know. Further insight is always welcomed. :)
 
Originally posted by boombexus

So the ruling for this week will state that you may run a car to it's point of where it looses power so that it meets the 2.6 PWR.

If anyone has any comments either positive or negative regarding this ruling, please let me know. Further insight is always welcomed. :)
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OK - thanks for the clarification :)

I (and I think may be Famine) had interpreted the rule as being that if at the time of recording your hot lap the weight/power must equal/exceed 2.60. However, it appears that you meant that if a car had the potential to ever be below 2.60 (after running in and/or oil change) then it isn't eligible.

I don't have a sharkport (Mac user), but I had assumed the weight/power was included in the save somewhere - I'm now assuming that it isn't, hence the way you intended the rule to be interpreted.

Anyways, I'm happy running the race either way...
 
Originally posted by boombexus


So the ruling for this week will state that you may run a car to it's point of where it looses power so that it meets the 2.6 PWR.

If anyone has any comments either positive or negative regarding this ruling, please let me know. Further insight is always welcomed. :)
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The only problem is determining at what mileage the oil had been changed.
I mean, if we go by the falloff point of 126mi. and 2HP per every 3mi. after, the HP could be determined. BUT, what if the oil was changed at 125mi.?
The car would be at FULL power, when on the surface it would appear the HP should have fallen off considerably.
Not good.
Anyway, running the car to the falloff point leaves a very small window in which to obtain your time.
If you're an alien, who(that?) can run your fastest lap on command, this would be a good way to run at the optimum PWR.
I, personally, wouldn't want to reload that many times.

To the race administrator, this could be a headache.
To the cheater, it would be great.
To the honest racer, it would be a lot of pressure to perform.

Now that I think about it, maybe if one was to choose to run the car to the falloff point and use the HP from that condition to determine the PWR. Then the oil must NOT be changed at ANY point.
Replay would show the oil as: FFFF FFFF
I don't know, this is getting kind of strict and the idea behind this series is to have fun.
 
Right ODP.

The thing is that with running it this way is that there are many variables now involved. Variables that would be best left avoided. It's a tough choice, but I want to make everyone happy, and as the Weekly's main intention is to have fun. :)

I'm not worried though, as I think we have a great group of people racing here. :cheers:
 
Hmmm, I seems to have opened a small can of worms here ;) Sorry, didn't mean to create a whole lot of fuss.

Has anyone done a list of PWRs at new and after running in? I doubt it but you never know... there are some people around with too much time on their hands.

I know it's meant to be fun (and I do enjoy being part of GTP) but I like to make sure I'm playing within the rules and dont want to feel that I am (or be accused of) cheating.
Maybe the rule of thumb should be "If in doubt, don't run it".

My alternavives for answering the PWR question would be:
1: we only use cars that have been run in (with a minimum distance run and fresh oil)
2: that the PWR is that for a new car at 0km.
3: If a car is dubious (such as the Focus this week) we ask Boom for a ruling as early as possible and he makes a decision that is posted so everyone knows if a specific car is legal or not - such as has been done previously.

I know there are certain other problems with each option (no solution is totally perfect) but once it's decided then that's the way it works.

I only suggest this is decided now so that it can be built into the standard weekly OLR rules to rey to prevent too many queries in the future. My preferred option would be 1 above.

So, at the end of all this... can we use the Focus or not?
 
iv been going at this for a while now and iv got my T1 times down to 29.456 after fully tuning my impreza, Iw was getting over 34 seconds before i lowered it all the way and sorted out the gears.
 
Originally posted by Oliver DePlace
The only problem is determining at what mileage the oil had been changed.
I mean, if we go by the falloff point of 126mi. and 2HP per every 3mi. after, the HP could be determined. BUT, what if the oil was changed at 125mi.?
The car would be at FULL power, when on the surface it would appear the HP should have fallen off considerably.
Not good.
Anyway, running the car to the falloff point leaves a very small window in which to obtain your time.
If you're an alien, who(that?) can run your fastest lap on command, this would be a good way to run at the optimum PWR.
I, personally, wouldn't want to reload that many times.

To the race administrator, this could be a headache.
To the cheater, it would be great.
To the honest racer, it would be a lot of pressure to perform.

Now that I think about it, maybe if one was to choose to run the car to the falloff point and use the HP from that condition to determine the PWR. Then the oil must NOT be changed at ANY point.
Replay would show the oil as: FFFF FFFF
I don't know, this is getting kind of strict and the idea behind this series is to have fun.
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I believe that It's possible import the car from replay, and then you can see the PWR in your garage
 
Originally posted by hippyneil


So, at the end of all this... can we use the Focus or not?
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Yes, you can use the focus as long as it's PWR meets the requrements at the time you record your final lap time.
 
Originally posted by Spin Bad
iv been going at this for a while now and iv got my T1 times down to 29.456 after fully tuning my impreza, Iw was getting over 34 seconds before i lowered it all the way and sorted out the gears.
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Firstly, I don't see your name on the registered drivers list. Unless I'm going blind (or have spontaneously fallen asleep again :lol: )...

Secondly, that's a blisteringly fast T1 time. I have to ask you if you're sure the car is conforming to the rules, and I don't mean to be disrespectful in any way, but I can't see even big p breaking under 30.000s for a T1 time in a legitimate car in this race.

If so, nice time! :D
 
Best Lap T2 in the Focus so far - 55.3
PWR still at 2.622

It's that damn hairpin. I'm sure they move the braking point every lap! Grrrrr. :mad:
 
Originally posted by Redline Fox
This is like an FIA event with all the contraversy.

heh.
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:)

With Boom being our own Bernie Ecclescake!

Thing is, after all this, I'd better use it and get a decent time ;)
But I have gotten to like the Ford Escort. Good low end grunt.
 
I'm not good with car setup and that is causing me a lot of trouble here. I still think the 206 can be competative if someone set it up correctly.
 
I am definetly registered, i took part in last weeks race.

As for my T times i think you might be right, The car im using is an Impreza Prototype and it hasnt got any mods on it whatsoever,But i do think my car might have just gone past the magic 300 km mark and does not conform to the rules any more.

Ill check tonight and post a replay(if you have an X-port you can verify my time)
 
Originally posted by Spin Bad
iv been going at this for a while now and iv got my T1 times down to 29.456 after fully tuning my impreza, Iw was getting over 34 seconds before i lowered it all the way and sorted out the gears.
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Just to make sure man, the track is special stage route 5 WET...I can reach that T1 in the slick course, but not the wet one, and you can't go less than 2.6 in p/w.
 
Originally posted by Spin Bad
Ill check tonight and post a replay(if you have an X-port you can verify my time)
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Oh, I wouldn't ask you to reveal your time/replay ahead of deadline - besides which, I'm not the moderator here, so even if I did ask you to, you could happily ignore me :D

Just double check all your figures and make sure you're in the rules. I like to win by beating everyone, not because my opponents were disqualified... :lol: [/trash talking]

No, seriously. Check your power like you said, and check you're on the right track like Heinrich said. If you are, then you're doing fine (well, better than fine, actually :D)
 
Well well welll..
Guess whos been doing the track backwards!
I must have have took the R in SSR to mean reverse
sorry about that:embarrassed: :embarrassed: :embarrassed: :mad: :banghead: :banghead: :( :(
 
All I have to say is: I Hate Water. Why did I have to join this week? Not to mention my tuning abilities probably aren't up to par, oh well. Anyone else running the 206?

np
 
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