Thanks Tim... Still finding new discoveries in GT5 and even a few in GT4 of late that where never mentioned elsewhere before. I'm one of those guys that is still enjoying 3-4-5. Being 70 I guess I just am stuck in the good ol' days. I'm just not a fan of online play, to frustrating for my taste and I prefer my own controlled garage and destiny lol. Not to say others shouldn't enjoy it like in GTS though. There is still soooo much to do and enjoy with the old GT games. I'm actually kinda surprised most folks have given up on them. I personally think some should rediscover GT4 & GT5 especially considering certain advances in tech, such as in GT5 v 2.11 and so on.