What a difference a GTP Racer makes...

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homeforsummer
I agree about the 'passion' thing, but I think beyond that there is an element of "if I can't have this place then you won't either". The number of times I have been rammed whilst coming past on a straight or ran into the back of when I'm braking by Western European racers is ridiculous. I certainly don't want to tar a whole nation with the same brush and I have raced the occasional Spanish or French racer who has been quick and fair, but it's unfortunate that to me a large proportion have tarnished their country's image by dirty racing.
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Your right there pal. Before I got all the cars and the 2,000,000cr, I was a different racer than I am now. I used to be super aggressive, but I feel calm now.

Maybe that has something to do with it too, the thought that you just have to have the next car or you have to come first all the time to get the most money etc.

What if you won nothing for the races, or you all won the same, do you think that the races and racers would be different?
 
Well, with all due respect to Superwally, I've not heard of him before. It just looks like a racing incident to me.
 
magburner
What if you won nothing for the races, or you all won the same, do you think that the races and racers would be different?
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Personally I'd always try and push for the win even if there were no financial benefit in the game, because I like to prove myself. But then unlike many people I've raced I'd not punt someone else off in order to do it, or block someone violently.

What annoys me is that some people have quit as host from races in which there are only three of us. Even if you finish last of three people in a PP600 event you're still going to get a useful amount of credits. It's pointless to quit in that situation.
 
homeforsummer
What annoys me is that some people have quit as host from races in which there are only three of us. Even if you finish last of three people in a PP600 event you're still going to get a useful amount of credits. It's pointless to quit in that situation.
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:lol: Just raced a guy called 'world_player[US]' at Suzuka, and he was racing pretty fancy in his tuned Clio Sport... Until he got to the first corner on the first lap, and got acquainted with the kitty litter!

He didn't even go off so bad (he was in 6th place), but he quit, and ended the race for all of us. :rolleyes:
 
Famine
It just looks like a racing incident to me.
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Have to agree with that. He would have had to really back off and maybe lose a place to avoid you. He should not be punished for your mistake. There was no lag or anything like that, there was a gap and he took it. And if you notice, you turned into him and he had the inside line.
 
I just felt that after he'd slowed down so far back he could've given me some room. And if you notice nasanu, after just keeping my car on the track I was turning slightly to the right to give him as much room as i could just before the hit, I did not turn into him.
 
Stonemonkey
Well this was a bit of a surprise from a GTP er!!!

http://www.stonemonkie.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/unexpected.mpg

4Mb video.

I know I'd messed up the corner a bit was was there any need for that?
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How hard would it have been to just send me a PM and ask what happened? :grumpy:

Honestly, Stonemonkey, what did you expect me to do? I watched you sliding toward the outside of the turn, from personal experience on that corner, that usually means a trip through the dirt or a ghost-out. I had no expectation that you would stay on track, you were not in my field of view, and I was barely in control myself. I did not plow directly into your back, I clipped you as you regained control.

Every time I make contact that I think is inappropriate and my fault, I stop and wait, regardless of GTP_ tags or not. Yesteday was my first day out with the Clio, and it took some practice to get decent with it. I'll try to be super perfect for everyone from here on out.:crazy:

My online experience is getting less and less fun, not while I'm there, but when I come back here and read some of this stuff. I have the fastest time at the Suzuka 700PP time trial for any GTP member (no one else is on the board, WTF?-many of you are faster than me), I'm a GT4 WRS D1 driver, I've had people I respect on this website compliment my driving online.

Then, bang, one incident with someone I've never even seen here before, and a vid goes up. Thanks.
 
@stonemonkey:

I don't think that was intentional, maybe he should of backed off a little on entry, but on the other hand, he may of thought you were 'gone'. Judging by the replay, he took the right line through that corner, whilst you were all out of shape with speed and entry point, but to your credit you did recover slightly.

I personally may of stopped to let you catch up again, but because I can't see the incident from his point of view, I'd say he was right to do what he did, not to hit you, but to commit himself to the corner in the belief that you were going off.

I disagree with nasanu's statement that you turned into him, you turned unwittingly onto the track, but I don't believe you were going for deliberate contact, I believe it was a natural reaction to save yourself from entering the sand trap.

Chalk it up to experience pal. Sooner or later, you will be in the same situation. How you act when the shoe is on the other foot will either destroy this argument or vindicate it. 👍
 
Yeah the video was a nice example of "going for it" from the position behind you he would have seen you going wide, he commited to the inside line at a higher speed than you...unfortunatly you then came back into the apex and lost your wing mirror! If it was a deliberate barge then the gravel would have had you, as it was you recoverd quickly and lost little time. A racing insident for sure, not a deliberate punt, but it was a risky overtake at worse. Hard really to see anything more, were you holding him up for a while or was he responcible for punting you in the corner to make you go wide? In that instance you should have either held the inside line on the entry to the corner or held of and kept the outside line after running wide.

OK watched it a few more times.......you outbraked yourself as he was hounding you into a mistake down the straight, if you look you can see he brakes way before you did and he just took the normal inside line while you went wide. the coming together was at the exit where you had kept a wide line corectly, he on the other hand misjudged it and thought he would have cleared you in the corner. the collision was a light one and I would most definatly put it down to a race insident which caused you very little problems. This is far from a deliberate act of rear ending or leaning which would have seen you in the gravel. He preasured you into making a mistake and was ready to capatlize on it which he did, it was a clean overtake apart from a slight rub at the exit which was a misjudgement on his part but one which didn't cause any major problems for you.
 
Perfect example of pressue forcing a mistake and leaving the door open and the other guy taking advantage of it. The tap on the way through is racing and certainly appears that it wasnt malicious. I dont know about what you guys have overseas but here in Aus, there is a term "rubbing is racing" and you just need to watch a round of the V8 Supercars to understand it.

We are all here to race not pussy foot around the track, and with racing comes incidents. We have all dealt with the genuine plow-you-up-the-a$$ punters but this video is so far removed from that sort of dirty tactic its not worth posting about unless you want to show yourself succumbing to pressure and leaving the door open :)

Personally I would hate for this forum to turn into a bitch fest of who did what and I really hope people arnt recording their races so they can go back and whinge about being love-tapped in a legit passing move.

The solution ? Take 1tsp of cement and harden the hell up !! :D
 
magburner
I disagree with nasanu's statement that you turned into him, you turned unwittingly onto the track, but I don't believe you were going for deliberate contact
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Just want to clear up that I don't think he was trying to hit him, just that he turned in the direction of the other car before he realised what was going to happen.
 
Right ok, I'm sorry. I'm just getting annoyed by being hit off deliberately all the time and then to get hit from someone that I thought wouldn't got to me a bit. To me it looked like you backed off a fair bit going into the corner and you had a line tighter than the racing line and as you were passing me you'd not continued on the line you were taking, if that's happened from you as you've said not being in complete control then I really do apologise.
 
We all get ramed deliberatly, and sometimes repeatedly,,,,,,and we all get to the point of tearing our hair out LOL, A rule to go by is if your still on the track and still faceing the right way then the move was overtake was reasonable. There are times when mistakes happen and you misjudge a turn it's really a problem that stems from no voice coms. a quick apology in the vidoe incident would have completly vindicated the situation and you would have had a more enjoyable race knowing it wasn't deliberate. All you experienced was getting walloped on the exit after holding together a late braking incident. If you look at the move in this term that the driver had about a second from seeing you go wide to commiting to the overtake it can be reasonable that he misjudged his and your exit speeds resulting in a tap.
 
Scaff
The first time I've come across a GTP'er online as well. We had a good race and I have to say rather than taking Flerbizky out when I left it a bit (understatement) too late braking for a corner I put myself into the gravel. I just can't deliberately let another driver suffer for my own mistake.

Ended up finishing dead last, but that was less to do with my encounter with Flerbizky and more to do with a backmarker who was intent in punting me off every time I passed him.

As I said to Flerbizky in a PM earlier, I'm another one who can't wait until we get private races, when you get a good clean grid its stunningly good on-line; but a grid even sparsely populated with 'crash-monkeys' is just a nightmare.


Regards

Scaff
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I wish more people would adapt this philosophy. My God, all the times I've been clipped by an oversteer, plowed into because they couldn't stop and decided against trying, or had the most careless entries back on track after their first mistake that put them in the dirt.

I'm sorry, mistakes happen, but when you go off track, it's your responsibility to let traffic pass you, not our responsibility to watch for you aimlessly propelling your junker into the middle of the action. I cannot stress that enough. It happens, but try to stay at the side or anywhere out of the way until you get back to speed or traffic has passed. High powered RWD + No assists = Great, my attempt to avoid you just cost me the race. Thanks for that.

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Honestly, Stonemonkey, what did you expect me to do? I watched you sliding toward the outside of the turn, from personal experience on that corner, that usually means a trip through the dirt or a ghost-out. I had no expectation that you would stay on track, you were not in my field of view, and I was barely in control myself. I did not plow directly into your back, I clipped you as you regained control.

I get what you're saying here, but you sort of implicated yourself as the perpetrator. I mean, I know what you're saying, and I can sympathize, but what you're saying is essentially "I assumed you would do something, and you didn't, so I hit you. It was an accident." and that's all good and well, but you can't bank on assumptions. It's happened to me too, where I'm behind someone catching a draft, and they brake earlier than I expected and I had no time to react. No, I didn't mean to do it, I assumed you'd brake later, but my assumption was off, and that puts me in the wrong regardless. It may have been accidental, but in that event, one would assume it's now my responsibility to attempt to make it up to you.

I'm not saying you're a bad person, and I know your decision probably wasn't based on malice, but the situation could have been avoided entirely, and he really wasn't taking up much track anyway. He seemed to hesitate out of fear of what could, and did, happen.
 
Joe43302
I'm sorry, mistakes happen, but when you go off track, it's your responsibility to let traffic pass you, not our responsibility to watch for you aimlessly propelling your junker into the middle of the action. I cannot stress that enough. It happens, but try to stay at the side or anywhere out of the way until you get back to speed or traffic has passed. High powered RWD + No assists = Great, my attempt to avoid you just cost me the race. Thanks for that.


It's happened to me too, where I'm behind someone catching a draft, and they brake earlier than I expected and I had no time to react. No, I didn't mean to do it, I assumed you'd brake later, but my assumption was off, and that puts me in the wrong regardless. It may have been accidental, but in that event, one would assume it's now my responsibility to attempt to make it up to you.
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Well, I wish I was better at manipulating quotes here, but doesn't your first point pretty much contradict your last? Where is my mistake? On entry? No. On exit? No. I was following the only line open to me. Are you saying I should have stopped and let everyone pass me because he made a mistake and I didn't know where he was?

It wasn't aimless, but he was "propelling their junker back in the action" by moving back to the racing line before he knew where I was. Why wasn't he worried about messing up my race? Why am I not the one complaining on here about being clipped on exit by someone who screwed up and went wide?

I think you are nuts. If I did this every time I pressured someone into a mistake, I might just as well not race.

If I had made contact on entry, I would have stopped. If I clubbed him on exit and he went spinning off in my mirror, I would have stopped. All I heard through my headphones was a mild bang, like the ones I've recieved hundreds of times and had little effect on my driving. In my mirror I could clearly see him moving back on track.

You know how this incident could have been avoided? I should have blocked him like Coulthard coming out of the hairpin, even though I had a terrible exit. Shame on me for moving over allowing a fellow member to pass cleanly without inturrupting his exit. Shame on me for braking early enough to not ram him on entry.

Next time, no favors from me for GTP_Whoever members may/may not have the sense to use the PM button.
 
Seems to me that Stonemonkey you out braked yourself.

And if you watch the rear view mirror Superwally gets his line right and hits the apex which naturally puts you out towards the rumble strip.

In a 2 car race maybe things would have been different. But with other cars in the race and with someone close behind you as is the case in that clip, I hardly think it's fair to lay blame at Superwally for getting caught up in your mistake.

Put it down to experience and don't get pressured into making the same mistake next time.
 
I'm with Superwally here. 👍 I don't think there was much he could've done about it. In my opinion, it's hard on that turn even without having deal with another car that's struggling for control.
 
superwally
I was barely in control myself.
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Stonemonkey
Right ok, I'm sorry. as you've said not being in complete control then I really do apologise.
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The consensus seems to be that this is a racing incident, Stonemonkey perhaps went too far in upping the video, but he has accepted Superwally's explanation and apologised, if I was Stonemonkey, I'd remove the video to cut short the debate.:indiff:
 
hi everyone,

A bit late but i raced GTP-superwally few times and can confirm he is really good driver-no intentional pushing... So after watching this mpeg (blueyonde...unexpected.mpg) i really think this was not intentional.Hey it can happen to all of us.You just take what has been given to you (inside line).

So dont let them get it to you superwally-you are a gret driver.
BTW if you see binca hosting the race stay there.I always host races (100% hosting ratio-i dont know why) and i never quit.You can meet me at 700pp HSR or Suzuka.

Hope to see you guys!
 
As I said, I apologise superwally. I suppose I was judging this on something I do in that situation and I'm not saying it's right or wrong or anything it was just a tap and I didn't realise you were having a bit of a time keeping it under control yourself and I have done worse after losing control. But when passing someone (if it's someone that's already deliberately bashed me or someone else I don't take as much care) I keep to the side of the track I'm on until I know where they are or see them in my mirror or in front even if that means not being able to accelerate from the corner as if it's a clear track. I've been up against some others too that think the same way and maybe you do usually aswell and it's pretty hard to come by in gt5p but it does give some good close racing when you do.

Anyway, sorry again for posting that in the first place.
 
Are we going to use this thread to apologize to an GTP'ers we do wrong to? just wondering
 
magburner
Your right there pal. Before I got all the cars and the 2,000,000cr, I was a different racer than I am now. I used to be super aggressive, but I feel calm now.

Maybe that has something to do with it too, the thought that you just have to have the next car or you have to come first all the time to get the most money etc.

What if you won nothing for the races, or you all won the same, do you think that the races and racers would be different?
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Heh, of course! This is the very principles of how games work we're talking about here. Take out scores and rewards, the competitive gamers leave. Focus too much on scores and rewards, the fun-gaming gamers leave.

Personally, Im with those who play for fun and a bit of competition on the side. I generally dislike games that solely support competition and "reputation" type systems, be it acheivements, score boards, levels (like in MMORPGs), items, profile-data-type things (like Battlefield/Call of Duty 4 kill/death ratios, etc).

Changing how much competition you have in your game vastly changes the types of gamers who play and this changes the entire enviroment. Fortunately, Gran Turismo should be able to support serious competiton-style gameplay without too many "idiots-in-for-the-win" players being attracted because (hopefully) damage will put them off and the generally percieved mundane action in the game, in other words most will likely be more interested in the perhaps easier and more action-based games.
Im not saying we will ever see the end of idiots online, because thats physically impossible, but hopefully the more "hardcore" fanbase will be the only ones left.

A forlorn hope, I suppose, seeing how popular GT is anyway, and looking at other online sims.
 
Stonemonkey, apology accepted, and I do understand where you are coming from. I overreacted a bit anyway, I've been cranky lately! :scared:
 
magburner
Your right there pal. Before I got all the cars and the 2,000,000cr, I was a different racer than I am now. I used to be super aggressive, but I feel calm now.
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The same goes towards me. Since I got the majority of cars and 2,000,000 credits now I felt there is no incentive to race hard for the win anymore. I tend to race online for the fun of it now, mainly scouting for other GTP members in the process. Had some great races with GTP_Sjaak yesterday, he was quick in his GT-R. We had that final lap finishing line brake check since we wanted each other to be ahead but my brakes weren't strong enough to stop before the line! :sly: I tend to let my fellow GTP racers through to win it most the time since I don't need the 50,000 credits anymore!

I noticed that assuming GTP racers had a clean race with no trouble then they're usually quite fast around Suzuka, typically around the top 6 most of the time.
 
PSTC555
The same goes towards me. Since I got the majority of cars and 2,000,000 credits now I felt there is no incentive to race hard for the win anymore. I tend to race online for the fun of it now, mainly scouting for other GTP members in the process. Had some great races with GTP_Sjaak yesterday, he was quick in his GT-R. We had that final lap finishing line brake check since we wanted each other to be ahead but my brakes weren't strong enough to stop before the line! :sly: I tend to let my fellow GTP racers through to win it most the time since I don't need the 50,000 credits anymore!

I noticed that assuming GTP racers had a clean race with no trouble then they're usually quite fast around Suzuka, typically around the top 6 most of the time.
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Yeah I raced Sjaak earlier today, he's an excellent racer...like all GTP'ers :sly:👍
 
Hi all, new guy here. I look forward to racing with you people, I have not lived in an area that had Broadband before this(rural Alaska). But I have read posts on here(GTP) for several years, so it will be like racing with legends. I know, I know, that sounded corny. I have seen some gtp_ers in some races, and have not seen any of them racing dirty.I like that most of you want to be fair, and it will be refreshing if more people learn to drive like you all strive to.Anyway I will try my best to live up to GTP standards, and look forward to racing with you. My PSN is over there<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
 

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