What a game :-)

[maxpontiac]

Really insulting post. I'm 40 and been gaming since 1982 and the ZX spectrum, yes GT5 is good, but it still has flaws, something some of you selfish effers don't care about because YOU enjoy it.

Seriously where do some of you selfish prats get off....do you like it that you enjoy something that someone does not? does it make you feel more of a man?

I've lurked here since gt3, joined some time after gt4, and it's only GT5 that has caused such a schism on this site. There are some TRULY nasty small minded people on this forum.

The same questions/comments you just posted could be used with those who complain over and over again. It's small minded of them to, right? You must be equally appalled at those who do nothing else judging by your hard line stance.

 

[PAWEL17]

The GT series have been the only games where I've played for more than 6 months. Now, with a proper G27 wheel, it's a whole new experience, and I'm enjoying it a lot

The after-release support has been excellent, and hopefully, the car list will be expanded to include more of the newer supercars

The GT series is probably the only game i have played more of, then all other games i have ever owned. And i have played alot. Includong prestiging in MW2. Yet ive probably spent more time on prologue then that game.

No game or even racing game, has brought me so many hours of enjoyment, not even NFS.

 

[stevti]

Hi all,

Totally agree with Baly and everyone else regarding the greatness of GT5. No other game has kept me playing in depth for as long as GT5 has, and previous editions if course. I too bought my PS3 specifically for GT5, got it home, loved it, havent put it down since! That was a year ago. Ive recently got hold of a steering wheel setup and the whole game has been transformed overnight for me, as much as i loved it before, it is truly epic now. The driving physics are just incredible! For me it doesnt matter about the little glitches we get now and again, because of the sheer enjoyment i get from the game, from jumping in one of 1000 or so cars and going for a some hot laps around Nordschleife at sunset, or having some awesome clean battles online. The whole game has legendary status, flaws n all!

Cheers

Ste

 

[Mic_Col]

Great OP 👍

I'm in my 40's, fully agree with your comments. I can remember the first time playing GT ( the first one, number one ) back on the playstation. There was an incredible moment where I heard myself say the words "This is the best game I've ever played!" I heard myself say it, the words just seemed to come out of me by themselves.

Also to explain: I have a lot of experience with video games, was quite addicted to them in my younger years, the old arcades in Sydney near the cinemas I was quite the regular. Plus I worked for a number of years as a arcade games technician, pulling them apart and fixing them - this was around the time that Virtua Racing and Sega Rally the Daytona Arcade games all came out. It was a part of my job to perform complete systems checks on them weekly.

So like I said, a lot of experience, and I stand by the statement "This is the best game I've every played"

Oh you wanna talk about the old games, who remembers this:

There was an even older game I can remember, although in truth it was an old one at the time ( I couldn't find a picture of it on the 'net ) where there was no computer graphics, you had a little 'matchbox car' on a stick at the bottom of the screen and the track was printed on a roll that just slowly picked up speed and you needed to steer left & right to keep on the track. It used some old school collision detection.

So yeah in comparison GT5 in 1080P graphics looks pretty good. 👍

 

[BWX]

I'm 39 yrs old and have been playing racing games and sims since before the Atari 2600. GT5 is great, no doubt, but with GT5 as a platform, the "game" part could be sooo much better w/ a few tweaks. I wish it was more like some older GTs in some ways, but with all the modern advances.

 

[eran0004]

Nürburgring Nordschleife at night, the taillights of a dozen cars in the darkness ahead, the huge smokescreens when someone slips to the wrong side of the edge, the sparks shines like falling stars, a corner taken perfectly which allows an immediate overtake, looking back at Döttinger Höhe to watch the trail of cars emerging from the darkness far behind, their headlights twinkle like stars.

It's not just a game, it's poetry.
There's no other to compare with.

 

[another_jakhole]

Good god! ^^^^

Can't forget the barbecues. Nurburgring feels so alive at night, more so than in the day.

I'm 39 yrs old and have been playing racing games and sims since before the Atari 2600. GT5 is great, no doubt, but with GT5 as a platform, the "game" part could be sooo much better w/ a few tweaks. I wish it was more like some older GTs in some ways, but with all the modern advances.

The main problem with GT5 is that it isn't exactly a gamer's game. The aspect we ALL enjoy about GT5 is the driving part of the game. No one says GT5 is the best game, but for what it is, we'd choose this game as the best racer of the year. With that being said, like so many other people, GT5 is thee game that we've spent the most time with since we've picked it up. It has almost been a year while taking breaks in between, yet still I keep playing because driving and learning better car control is endless in a game like GT5.

The second part, that's true, but I for one actually prefer the way it is now after this past year. I was constantly playing GT4 when it came out, but it felt bland compared to GT5 after a while. Thank you uPDates! 👍

 

[Gejabo]

what a delight to read this thread, I was beginning to think there was something wrong with me for loving GT5

I have full confidence that the game will be evolving until GT6 sees the light of day.

for the record: 36 years old and started gaming on the msx in the 80's.
race game back then was Road fighter, later on the sega magadrive Jaguar xj220 was awesome. 👍

edit: looked up some screenshots of the games I mentioned.

Road fighter:

XJ220

with weather change

 

[PantalonUK]

Nürburgring Nordschleife at night, the taillights of a dozen cars in the darkness ahead, the huge smokescreens when someone slips to the wrong side of the edge, the sparks shines like falling stars, a corner taken perfectly which allows an immediate overtake, looking back at Döttinger Höhe to watch the trail of cars emerging from the darkness far behind, their headlights twinkle like stars.

It's not just a game, it's poetry.
There's no other to compare with.

That right there 👍

GT is like sex. If you're not enjoying it, you aint doing it right or you're doing it with the wrong people

 

[Hermanvongerman]

Ive said it before and ill say it again, the only people who complain about GT5 are freaking kids

Us people in the '8 bit generation' (and prior, in baly's case) seem to have no complaints

When I was a kid, racing games looked like this

Wow you must have been loaded to have a colour screen, all my old school gaming was done on Green screen ....lol

I concur, though Love GT5, yeah there is stuff that could always be fixed, at least PD are addressing issues with updates regularly! great to see.

 

[occasionalracer]

Now that's a real man's Gran Prix Circuit

Cool job you had there btw.

 

[robbo6]

Forget proof reading, I'm just saying it.

Obviously, that sort of a statement sean made was only to point out how unrelenting some of the GT5 and PD "haters" act. It wasn't aimed at anyone in particular, and this isn't that disappointment thread.

No, a lot of us like to keep positive, but because you've held a grudge against me since I've joined for being one of the few people who would defend PD and GT5 for reasons that you can't seem to understand, the fact is you were/are selfish to think we shouldn't have any good thoughts.

Some people who hate to see me and others defend PD's honor LOVE to say we never mention any of the negatives that GT5 has. Well, because I have so much time on my hands, I've tripled the amount of posts you have since I've joined in March, so you can't possibly believe all I say is Biased or any nonsense like that. Truth of the matter, you have no idea how many times I've mentioned the disappointments of GT5 and many of the decisions Kaz made that could EASILY be changed. A lot of them have been answered with Spec 2, I'm not spewing BS. But there are so many changes still need to be made, no one ever means it's perfect in the literal sense you guys always like to abuse.

You can't possibly believe the others are TRULY nasty small minded people when you NEVER EVER budge. All you do is point out negatives and bash others for strongly disagreeing. Some are more "nasty" than others because you give us no choice. You change not, so why do we care what you think about us when we reply to you in just the same negative tones as you always do about everything?

Forget how not completely Lucid I'm explaining this to you, we all behave a certain way towards the negative people on here because we just don't care. I never see you say anything that really contributes. Never any help, help is what a forum is meant to offer. With as little time that you're on and with as little as you've been posting, I know this to be mostly true.

Unlike my horrid calculations like I made in the other thread, I know I'm right about this. There are SOOOOO many times I don't reply to comments because of the fear of actually saying something "nasty". Like I said before, we're all guilty, but YOU are on GTPlanet and need to appreciate that a lot of us are FANBOYS. I try to stay as unbiased as possible using opinions and not stating facts any chance I get, but I don't even need to worry about that as much any more, because a lot of the FM fanboys are on Forzaplanet now.

I have no "grudge" against anyone in particular only apologists. I do believe that I have agreed with some of your comments in the past. I have also commented positively on GT5 many strong points in the past as well. It just get's conveniently forgotten by some and thus I'm labeled a "hater" when if I was a hater I would just slag off GT5s bad points without bothering to explain why or how I feel they could be fixed. I'm not one of the people who say "I want a million Premium cars" or "I want a Million tracks" or "GT5 suxors Forza 4 tha win". My complaints are realistic and most of the solutions are ALREADY in the game, yet not in the area i would also like them, it's this inconsistency that I am not liking with GT5. GT1 -4 were much more COHERENT games in EVERY AREA. GT5 is just a mess with it's options.

I never ever budge because the areas of GT5 I complain about have not been fixed. I DO know when you've mentioned the disappointments, believe it or not. But for you those areas are not so important, but for me and MANY others those areas ARE important.

I often give PD credit where it's due, Premium cars, physics, premium tracks.

But I mainly play Aspec career and that is still very disappointing and has received very little attention from PD. NO-ONE can deny that, apart from seasonals to pad the low number of events what has PD done to Aspec. All the best options to set the game up offline are in Arcade only. THAT is an undeniable FACT.

So basically I am fed up with way some of the GTP members treat other GTP members, and this thread nicely shows the way that it happens.

According to some of the geniuses here I'm basically some stupid kid who know nothing about games, just likes to play games with BIG exploshuns and lurve the X1.

I do believe I did some polls a while back and i do believe they showed that those happiest with the game played online mostly and those less happy mainly played offline. How about some understanding here people. Try and be less abusive from the off with snidey comments. (which you'll find I NEVER do unless in response to a snidey comment....I fight fire with fire, not the most intelligent thing I do I must admit).

Note - not all comments are specifically aimed at you anotherjakhole.

 

[robbo6]

👎

We are just enjoying the game and the point is the majority of the older crowd have nothing really to complain about.

I still marvel at the fact I have a driving simulator in my living room. I guess some of us are just happy with life

neither do the young, age has no relevance to the enjoyment of GT5.

Well what do you expect, mate ?

Why, because I want GT5 to be a better game overall?

I suppose there are. Thank you for illustrating your point.

I think your reply illustrates it far better.

The same questions/comments you just posted could be used with those who complain over and over again. It's small minded of them to, right? You must be equally appalled at those who do nothing else judging by your hard line stance.

I TOTALLY agree, you'll find I'm never asking or complaining about unrealistic things and those that do I never reply to, get involved with. I don't want millions of Premiums, or Millions of tracks....I was never one of those who bitched about the delays to GT5 (OR GT4 for that matter). There are aspects of GT5 that could be clearly improved and I post about them.

 

[maciej908]

I'm 17 and I got into GT series in 2009 with GT4 however my first PD game was TT... Anyway I think GT5 is great, true it has flaws, but I still can't stop playing it... 👍

 

[bobd]

I often give PD credit where it's due, Premium cars, physics, premium tracks.

So basically I am fed up with way some of the GTP members treat other GTP members, and this thread nicely shows the way that it happens.

So would you mind sharing in length what do you LIKE about GT5 ? This is the thread to do so anyway.

 

[Whitestar]

Ive said it before and ill say it again, the only people who complain about GT5 are freaking kids

When I was a kid, racing games looked like this

I think people of all ages complain. And I don't mind that at all, as long as it's constructive feedback and not just whining. Besides, if no one complained, who knows, maybe we would not have been given so many fixes and updates?

Haha, that image reminds me of Pole Position on the Commodore 64

@OP
Thank you for a refreshing read. 👍

 

[robbo6]

So would you mind sharing in length what do you LIKE about GT5 ? This is the thread to do so anyway.

gladly, altho in complaint threads many people post who shouldn't be there no? If they didn't then maybe there wouldn't be so much bad feeling? I digress.

things I love about GT5:

Premium cars, no brainer. Details are exquisite and I love taking photos of my cars (attempting to take photos of all cars, obviously taking a long time!)

Premium tracks, the details of Monza, and now Spa, Tsukuba are truly excellent. Particularly impressed with the details, Tsukuba has a drinks vending machine in the paddock area. THAT sort of detail blows my mind and I love it.

Day night transition tracks, linked to above but are incredibly breathtaking.

Physics, on console nothing touches the combination of GT5s physics and a decent FFB wheel (I have a G25).

I am really impressed with the way PD is attempting to fix issues with the game. The problem with this is unexpected issues arising, or making things better in one part of the game...but not another. I stress again that if PD let us have the options we get for Arcade in the Aspec career I'd be a LOT happier with the game. Put Qualifying in and I'd be happy as Larry with the game. I can live with the weird reverse gear thing and the weird tyre balance/strength setting. But Aspec needs some attention.

When GT5 hits it's highs, they are SO HIGH. Where it excels it SERIOUSLY excels. Which if people here could only understand makes those elements that don't hit those heights seem all the more worse. GT5 is a victim of it's own excellence and the excellence of the previous GTs.

 

[bobd]

When GT5 hits it's highs, they are SO HIGH. Where it excels it SERIOUSLY excels. Which if people here could only understand makes those elements that don't hit those heights seem all the more worse. GT5 is a victim of it's own excellence and the excellence of the previous GTs.

Agree with the post and spot on 👍

PD have increasing workload ahead of them due to GT's success, IMHO. Thanks for sharing.

 

[PantalonUK]

@robbo6

I think this is where you and I differ here, I haven't touched A Spec, apart from seasonals, for at least 6 months. I dont feel the need when I have such a nice crowd of online friends to really challenge me and make this game as realistic and enjoyable as possible. When Im not racing real people Im just enjoying the physics of the game and going for a spin or hot lapping.

Arcade races are good now as are some of the seasonals but you cannot beat online. There is no comparison

 

[xxDingerxx]

Like alot of people here say, at its worst, GT5 is certainly a bit dog rough.

Yet again though, at its best, its just simply majestic.

Just had a 5 lap race round nurburgring (arcade with AI set to 10). Sun beginning to set, weather front moving in. You get that bit of a rush for the 1st lap as you pick of the slower opponents one by one.

Then there is 3 laps to make up nearly 20 seconds, where tail lights are far in the distance, headlights behind you slowly falling further behind. Its in them laps, the calm before the storm you just start to admire everything. The car, the scenery, the ambiance caused by the lighting. Its just everything in total synchronised harmony.

Then its back to the adrenaline. 1 lap to overtake 2 cars that just wanna win themselves. Finally, you cross the line in 1st with less than a second to spare.

No other driving game comes close to all them experiences in just one race. When you have experienced that, you don't really care about the lows.

 

[baly]

The essence of my OP is themed around the multiplayer aspects which is where this game ( for the ps console) really shines.

For me what brings enjoyment out of racing games is how well the game play translates to multiplayer (split screen/linked consoles/ online) and GT5 delivers.

I dont want to get into issues such as 'different online physics' etc as i dont really tend to notice such anamolies as i drive lots of different cars, different tracks so dont have a 'standardised reference point '.

Besides I'm a realist, done trackdays etc and understand that a game would never capture the real life characteristics of track driving, so tend accept a game for what it is, a game,and a thoroughly enjoyable one at that!

anyway i digress.

 

[barny0111]

I presume most people play with a wheel. If not, you need to get one if you want to unlock the fun of this game.

Good to see people enjoying the game for what it is. I have have my phases with GT5. The online is a big draw card and I think is well underrated. PD should be applauded. So much fun has been had online.

Sure, GT5 was released somewhat unfinished. But it sure is maturing well. And with more dlc to come, this game will def outlast pretty much all of my other games.

 

[robbo6]

Agree with the post and spot on 👍

PD have increasing workload ahead of them due to GT's success, IMHO. Thanks for sharing.

No probs, I hope it makes some people realise I'm not a "hater", and why I get so narked at being called one.

@robbo6

I think this is where you and I differ here, I haven't touched A Spec, apart from seasonals, for at least 6 months. I dont feel the need when I have such a nice crowd of online friends to really challenge me and make this game as realistic and enjoyable as possible. When Im not racing real people Im just enjoying the physics of the game and going for a spin or hot lapping.

Arcade races are good now as are some of the seasonals but you cannot beat online. There is no comparison

I did a poll a while back trying to understand why many people were happy with GT5 whilst I was not. I tried age, multi console PC, and online/offline and the clearest difference IIRC was the online/offline poll which concurs with what you (and many others) have said. Unfortunately for a variety of reasons Online isn't all that much of an option for me.

Like alot of people here say, at its worst, GT5 is certainly a bit dog rough.

Yet again though, at its best, its just simply majestic.

Just had a 5 lap race round nurburgring (arcade with AI set to 10). Sun beginning to set, weather front moving in. You get that bit of a rush for the 1st lap as you pick of the slower opponents one by one.

Then there is 3 laps to make up nearly 20 seconds, where tail lights are far in the distance, headlights behind you slowly falling further behind. Its in them laps, the calm before the storm you just start to admire everything. The car, the scenery, the ambiance caused by the lighting. Its just everything in total synchronised harmony.

Then its back to the adrenaline. 1 lap to overtake 2 cars that just wanna win themselves. Finally, you cross the line in 1st with less than a second to spare.

No other driving game comes close to all them experiences in just one race. When you have experienced that, you don't really care about the lows.

I was with you right to the end! The quality areas of GT5 just make the lows more jarring for me personally.

The essence of my OP is themed around the multiplayer aspects which is where this game ( for the ps console) really shines.

For me what brings enjoyment out of racing games is how well the game play translates to multiplayer (split screen/linked consoles/ online) and GT5 delivers.

I dont want to get into issues such as 'different online physics' etc as i dont really tend to notice such anamolies as i drive lots of different cars, different tracks so dont have a 'standardised reference point '.

Besides I'm a realist, done trackdays etc and understand that a game would never capture the real life characteristics of track driving, so tend accept a game for what it is, a game,and a thoroughly enjoyable one at that!

anyway i digress.

I apologise for rising to the bait of a comment by someone else in your thread. GT5 is clearly an excellent experience online and in certain areas of the offline game.

 

[SopranoStylle]

Who remembers rad racer

 

[baly]

No problem robo6. :-)

 

[analog]

No it's not. Yes, we were satisfied with games like that back in those times because that was the norm, that is what we expected from gaming. Just like from computing we expected a 1MB disc drive, 64kb of RAM etc etc. But nowadays we expect 1TB disc drives, 8GB of RAM. My point being expectations increase as technology moves on so just because the games are obviously leaps and bounds better than those of 20+ years ago doesn't mean everything is rosy with them and we should just accept them, no matter the condition, just because they are much better.

I fully agree with this as I don't think it's just 'spoiled kids' (agree that they're spoiled though) who complain.
It's very useful once in a while to take a trip down memory lane as a stark reminder how things have progressed since and even appreciate the current games on offer much more.
But to use ancient games as a point of reference to appreciate current games can seriously cloud your judgement, that way you can't judge anything current properly for what it really is, a Ford Focus is a much better car than a Model-T but is it also therefor the best current car, or have those who drive a Focus no reason to complain since everything it does, it does significantly better than a Model-T?

For the record, I've also played those ancient games (like the first Test Drive and Outrun, etc.) and hugely enjoyed them then.
I don't compare the experience GT5 offers with those games but with other current driving games as my expectations have also grown since.
I wouldn't for example want to make the mistake saying to a younger generation they don't have the 'right' to complain about their smartphones because I had to use a phonebooth once, they probably know better what they're complaining about on these issues whilst I'm still being awestruck by the possibilities it offers.

I genuinely enjoy playing GT5 and part of it might be due to the fact it offers things I wouldn't even dream of becoming possible to do when playing those ancient games, that doesn't however blind me from its flaws or negatives.
Since I don't directly compare it with those archaic videogames I played once, heck, then I wouldn't have had to invest in a current gen PS3 as the PS2 already did that job perfectly well.
Having realistic expectations and more appreciation for current technology due to experiences of past technologies is one thing, being easily satisfied due to a misguided point of reference or a lack of 'individual progress' to judge current stuff to current criteria is something I hope to avoid as long as possible.
I still enjoy GT5 for driving and racing cars, not zimmer frames.

 

[baly]

Again the OP references to my age,console history were just to build a picture.

The essence of the OP was about the sheer enjoyment the game brings.

 

[analog]

Again the OP references to my age,console history were just to build a picture.

The essence of the OP was about the sheer enjoyment the game brings.

It wasn't aimed at you but to those who claimed it's only or mostly kids who do the complaining.

 

[robbo6]

I fully agree with this as I don't think it's just 'spoiled kids' (agree that they're spoiled though) who complain.
It's very useful once in a while to take a trip down memory lane as a stark reminder how things have progressed since and even appreciate the current games on offer much more.
But to use ancient games as a point of reference to appreciate current games can seriously cloud your judgement, that way you can't judge anything current properly for what it really is, a Ford Focus is a much better car than a Model-T but is it also therefor the best current car, or have those who drive a Focus no reason to complain since everything it does, it does significantly better than a Model-T?

For the record, I've also played those ancient games (like the first Test Drive and Outrun, etc.) and hugely enjoyed them then.
I don't compare the experience GT5 offers with those games but with other current driving games as my expectations have also grown since.
I wouldn't for example want to make the mistake saying to a younger generation they don't have the 'right' to complain about their smartphones because I had to use a phonebooth once, they probably know better what they're complaining about on these issues whilst I'm still being awestruck by the possibilities it offers.

I genuinely enjoy playing GT5 and part of it might be due to the fact it offers things I wouldn't even dream of becoming possible to do when playing those ancient games, that doesn't however blind me from its flaws or negatives.
Since I don't directly compare it with those archaic videogames I played once, heck, then I wouldn't have had to invest in a current gen PS3 as the PS2 already did that job perfectly well.
Having realistic expectations and more appreciation for current technology due to experiences of past technologies is one thing, being easily satisfied due to a misguided point of reference or a lack of 'individual progress' to judge current stuff to current criteria is something I hope to avoid as long as possible.
I still enjoy GT5 for driving and racing cars, not zimmer frames.

Needless to say I agree with Simon and Analog (who both expressed it better than me).

this would've been a better thread if it wasn't for a certain reply about kids methinks.

 

[baly]

lets all forget any references to kids etc etc were made, :-) please ! :-)