What could gt5 learn from past gt games

[Samus]

Err... if you took out ALL the Skylines, Subis, Mistus, RX-7s and Miatas, you'd still have more than 800 cars. Unconvinced.

As I posted in another thread, of the 1000+ cars in GT5 over 500 of them are Japanese cars produced after 1990.

 

[Tenacious D]

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Besides the fact that I bought almost all those 500-plus Japanese cars - and intend to buy every car in the game if I can, that still means that there are around 500 cars which aren't Japanese.

As others pointed out in other threads, perhaps this one too, Kaz prefers that every car possible gets tested and run around a track. Well, guess which country Polyphony Digital is in? It's way easier to test cars from your home turf, and less expensive to boot.

However... let me throw a monkeywrench in this debate by bringing up an interesting fact. Discounting the Racing Carts and Red Bull Prototype, and prior to the DLC,

Premium Cars

Japanese: 106

Non-Japanese: 113

Now I'm sure the sour grapes bunch are grumbling, "Well... but it's about time!"

They didn't have to make the car list like this though, so keep this in mind when people complain that PD has a Japanese bias. Things seem to be evening out. Even though Australia is still getting ignored a bit...

 

[shirakawaa]

As others pointed out in other threads, perhaps this one too, Kaz prefers that every car possible gets tested and run around a track.

They don't test every car around a track.

 

[OHM_fusion]

GT3 had a great feature - when you bought rims they would stay in your "inventory" forever. So you could buy as much rims as you wanted and you could always change them in the garage menu.

Also GT5 has the biggest car list but the premium/standard divide makes it feel smaller. I miss having all cars and tracks made with the same level of quality. Also i love the menu music but it was better in GT1 and GT2.

 

[Samus]

You say that like it's a bad thing.

No, I say that in counter to the argument that the car list in GT5 is balanced and covers a wide spectrum of motoring and is better than the other game. It doesn't and it isn't, purely statistics wise.

Besides the fact that I bought almost all those 500-plus Japanese cars - and intend to buy every car in the game if I can, that still means that there are around 500 cars which aren't Japanese.

You maybe misread, I said over 500 Japanese cars made after 1990. The total figure for Japanese cars is 640 (going by Scaffs spreadsheet). Now you may enjoy those cars, others will, but that still means the car list is not balanced. I don't know how you can argue that it is with over half of them being cars from one country made in a 20 year period.

As others pointed out in other threads, perhaps this one too, Kaz prefers that every car possible gets tested and run around a track. Well, guess which country Polyphony Digital is in? It's way easier to test cars from your home turf, and less expensive to boot.

If you're seriously trying to claim that they drove all 640 Japanese cars around a track then I really don't know what to say.

However... let me throw a monkeywrench in this debate by bringing up an interesting fact. Discounting the Racing Carts and Red Bull Prototype, and prior to the DLC,

Premium Cars

Japanese: 106

Non-Japanese: 113

Now I'm sure the sour grapes bunch are grumbling, "Well... but it's about time!"

They didn't have to make the car list like this though, so keep this in mind when people complain that PD has a Japanese bias. Things seem to be evening out. Even though Australia is still getting ignored a bit...

That is still not a great balance is it? Basically 50% Japan, 50% ROW. A balance would be roughly 33% Asian & Australasian, 33% European and 33% American.

Also convenient to ignore the DLC which has been heavily Japanese biased. So they might have started to turn away from the bias with the original car list but if the DLC shows the way they're going forward it doesn't look promising does it?

 

[Short Bus]

GT3 - Less is sometimes better. There's no need for umpteen different standard versions of R32 Skylines, R33 Skylines, R34 Skylines, Mazda MX-5's, Honda S2000's... etc

This.

One GT-R from each generation *maybe* to include special versions beyond that like the Nur is enough. A GT-R for every single year model is ridiculous. Same for the other cars mentioned.

 

[shmogt]

Easy. Being the best. It was by far the best racing game ever and has been slowly slipping down. It should not even be a discussion whether gt or Forza is better. When you ask people what is the best racing game there should only be one answer just like the old days and that's Gran Turismo. Standard and premium cars seriously wtf. That's what a loser game would not and unacceptable for a gt game. Most of the stuff that people complain about in gt5 aren't that bad however they are crazy bad for a gt game. So many things just feel half assed which is not the true gt way. Hopefully gt6 will be what gt5 should of been and take back the title of greatest racing game ever again.

 

[red piramyd k]

-> One thing that I would like to point out that I forgot to mention is this symbol:

[R]

^ This highlight means that the car is a race-spec vehicle or a race-modified car. This designation only applied in GT1 and GT2.

-> Heres an example:

^ In GT2 they were significant (MX-5) Roadsters made by its tuning arm Mazdaspeed:

A-Spec

^ Took me forever to look for a decent pic...

B-Spec

C-Spec

^ Of course these cars can be lodged in as a separate marque from Mazda...

Eye Candy -> Almost everyone here in GTP liked [R]acing Modifications from GT1 & GT2, well heres a treat for you. Got it from the other thread:

Favorite [R]acing Modification in GT2

i do REALLY hate the new RM system, awhh fugly modifications, the GT logo with black and just 17 cars available (200 premium )

 

[SagarisGTB]

That is still not a great balance is it? Basically 50% Japan, 50% ROW. A balance would be roughly 33% Asian & Australasian, 33% European and 33% American.

It's not bad at all actually.

Better than your percentages. 33% American would be way too high. Outside of the Corvette, Viper, Camaro, Mustang and a selection of the better muscle cars, it's slim picking for suitable american cars.

I made a fantasy list of cars for GT6 of 650 cars, included all the essentials and tried to be objective but at the same time trying to think a little like PD does. I though I came up with a good balance. It ended up being 43.4% European cars, 42.5% Japanese cars, 10.6% American cars, 0.8% Korean cars, 0.6% Australian cars and 1.7% Gran Turismo cars (X1s, formula cars and karts). That's the sort of percentages PD should be striving for.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

-> One thing that I would like to point out that I forgot to mention is this symbol:

[R]

^ This highlight means that the car is a race-spec vehicle or a race-modified car. This designation only applied in GT1 and GT2.

Heh, funny you should post this. I've been researching a lot of the old [R] Mods for recreation purposes, and I may have accidentally stumbled upon why we don't get them back - licensing. Almost all of them were based on real life race cars, but thanks to the super-low resolution, changing the logos or just erasing them didn't affect the awesome looks of the GT cars. Nowadays, though, something like the JACCS Civic (BAM! Real life awesomeness) might be a bit more problematic for PD to recreate. Of course, PD could do what they do for RM's in GT5 and give us a default GT scheme, or even better, give us the bodykit, but also a blank canvas option (maybe even in addition to the GT one).

I feel like GT6 will see a different approach to the endless copies of cars (nevermind the "never-cars" like the turbo'd Lexus GS300 and other such fantasy models), and if I had the time, I'd dig up an interview from Kaz that sort of touches on his new thoughts on this. Being Japan-based shouldn't be an excuse for a heavily Japanese-biased car list these days - they travel outside of the country plenty for track data as is, and many Euro or American models are also found in Japan anyways.

Instead of the 30+ Miatas we currently have, I'd hope for something similar to R1600T's list (though I'd maybe drop the first instance of the NB, if I was being cut-throat, and have the NC as the current, better-driving facelifted model). Whether or not GT6 ends up on this system or the next, I don't think we'll see the Standard/Premium split again, at least, I hope, especially if it does end up as a next-gen title. When we made the jump to GT3, we lost plenty of cars from GT2, but the quality made up for it, in my opinion, and I'd rather see the whole game to one level of quality than two obvious settings.

I think a return to a map-style menu in Sim Mode would be a welcome return to form after GT5's menu. While not as brutally efficient as other options (FM4's very basic menus), it felt more immersive, at least to me. It was more like a world to explore, and I liked that.

Oh, they could learn from... well, every previous full iteration, and bring back Machine Testing. Sometimes I want to know the simple performance stats of my car, PD!

Lastly, though since it's been absent from the game the longest amount of time, it's unlikely - GT1's gear charts were by far the best.

 

[sheepborg]

Better than your percentages. 33% American would be way too high. Outside of the Corvette, Viper, Camaro, Mustang and a selection of the better muscle cars, it's slim picking for suitable american cars.
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Easy to say if you arent from america. The great thing about gt is includes alot of no-name stuff like the spirra, hommel and others.

There are less known but significant american cars they should include like a 74 AMC javelin, any covair, and stuff like that.
It would be nice to include that

and then the crappy skylines of every single year should be left out in favor of the unsung japanese things like the toyota EX-7 (which had the underpinnings of the 7 racecar) and the unsung euro cars like the de tomaso pantera and mangusta.

There are plenty of notable vehicles that should be in, but nobody knows of them. I'll be darned if anybody has heard of the EX-7. You cant just generalize

 

[The Vanishing Boy]

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It's not bad at all actually.

Better than your percentages. 33% American would be way too high. Outside of the Corvette, Viper, Camaro, Mustang and a selection of the better muscle cars, it's slim picking for suitable american cars.

I made a fantasy list of cars for GT6 of 650 cars, included all the essentials and tried to be objective but at the same time trying to think a little like PD does. I though I came up with a good balance. It ended up being 43.4% European cars, 42.5% Japanese cars, 10.6% American cars, 0.8% Korean cars, 0.6% Australian cars and 1.7% Gran Turismo cars (X1s, formula cars and karts). That's the sort of percentages PD should be striving for.

^ Can you please post a link thru my PM, I'm just curious and would like to see it.