What does everyone think of the GPU in the next xbox?

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http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/01/24/xbox-720-will-be-six-times-as-powerful-as-current-gen

When the 360 released it had a cutting edge graphics card that made PC gamers envious. Now they will be using a 2-3 year old card by the time the console releases, that wasn't even the top of the line when the card released. The next gen xbox will be lagging 2 -3 years behind PC tech whenever it comes out. Seems like a really odd choice to me.

PC games in 2013 will be way beyond what a 6670 can do. The card is only 70$ now, so microsoft will probably only have like 20$ or so in one. Why would they skimp so bad on the main component of the system. A 6670 won't even run the most recent PC games at max settings, so by 2013 it would have real trouble keeping up with any decent PC games. Why wouldn't they at least look into the new ATi cards getting ready to be released. They also say only 20% more powerful then the new nintendo. I just don't understand their decision with that card.

On the plus side though I really hope they leave in the triple screen option that it offers. It would be great if you could play forza 5 or 6 triple screen with just one copy of the game and one console.

If this is old news sorry. Looked and didn't see any threads on the topic.
 
Consoles are limited by television standards. Computers aren't. "6 times more powerful than the 360" will likely be fine for what is needed from it. We also have no idea what role the CPU will play in graphics production, because we don't know what the CPU will be.
 
"The chip currently has a market price of upwards of $79.99."

WTH if that is the piece of garbage they are gong to use I ain't sold on buying one.... I'll stick with my PC gaming rig thanks....I paid just shy of $750 for my three vid cards, If I built a new rig next year I would not look at any individual card worth less than $200, and that would be an entry level card at best, c'mon MS sort it out......
 
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Consoles are limited by television standards. Computers aren't. "6 times more powerful than the 360" will likely be fine for what is needed from it. We also have no idea what role the CPU will play in graphics production, because we don't know what the CPU will be.
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Exactly its more than enough and wont make the console expensive.
 
Maybe it indicates microsoft are looking to go down a different route, like with the wii. Possibly kinect being the main focus or something.
 
It is expected to release in 2013? which is 8th year after 360. So in 8yrs only 6 times more processing power. That does not look good if the rumor is true?

But it doesn't bother me. I am not interested in Wii U or 720
 
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I really hope this is a false claim to lure sony into thinking they are safe using a mid range gpu in the ps4. how "confirmed" is this really?
 
It may be the early Dev kits that are using that gpu? The final product may use another. Or maybe they are making a high end and a low end version where the low end will only run 720p? It's impossible to know..
 
So the mid-range PC I just bought is going to be better than the next generation Microsoft console? Cool.

Although, it depends on how much it retails for. If the new console is a budget system at ~£200-250 then they're onto a winner. If they price it at ~£350-400 then it's a waste of money. Although it does depend on the other components. Any speculation as to how much memory the new consoles will have? This was the main problem with current consoles. They should have no less than 8GB imo, memory is reaaaally cheap.
 
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I think MS will be going more the entertainement way with the NeXt than the core gamer route.
look at the dash updates. look at kinect, Win8,...
That would also be in accordance to the comment the gaikai chick made.

But my primary Gaming will always be PC, and only then consoles.
 
Considering consoles aren't supposed to be stupid prices, I think it'll be fine. The graphics we have now in the later games look good, obviously not as good as PC, but I doubt they ever will be on a console.

When games start to come out and we see all the graphics, I think most people will be happy.
 
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I think MS will be going more the entertainement way with the NeXt than the core gamer route.
look at the dash updates. look at kinect, Win8,...
That would also be in accordance to the comment the gaikai chick made.

But my primary Gaming will always be PC, and only then consoles.
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You know what, I even wish they would go the cheap enterteainment way, just like Nintendo with even weaker tech, if Sony comes then along with a high-end monster like always, Nintendo and Microsuck will fail HARD. Right now, I simply can not see many people bying the WII-U or Nextbox, I just can't.

And to all those people, who say six times more power in 8 years is enough: Well, you people don't appreciate progress I assume, EVERY generation difference in power has been thus far by AT LEAST 10 times, and all the previous generations were also MUCH shorter: 4-5 years and not 6-8 years. You see the discrepancy? Nin and Mic are selling ANCIENT hardware.
 
a few reports (not confirmed) did say the nextbox will be less on the hardware front, more on the all round entertainment and connectivity front. this card is fine, laughs in the face of the old one. what they're focusing on will be things like improving kinect experience, xbox live and an internet browser.
 
Toronado
Consoles are limited by television standards. Computers aren't. "6 times more powerful than the 360" will likely be fine for what is needed from it. We also have no idea what role the CPU will play in graphics production, because we don't know what the CPU will be.
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Tv's are for the most part 1080p now. Most games now on consoles wont even do 720p native. That card will have a hard time doing much at native 1080p. Consoles are not limited by tv standard. I really don't understand what you mean by that comment.
 
^He probably meant the 1080p as frontier. But with the gfx card choosen by MS, they will obviously not be able to do 1080p@60hz+AA+Dx11,.... as you said. But dan's comment is pretty much what I am thinking MS is aiming for.

Alex:
MS probably jumped the ship a few months too early. I bet Sony will take the new generation chip sets (GK104 aka Kepler), and as MS is AMD based they also should take the 7950 at least!
Biggest flaw of the consoles, and as seen again on the vita, is the missing RAM. RAM doesn't cost that much anymore, you don't need the best latency, you need quantity.
If xbox360 and PS3 had at least 4gb of ram, they still would be rocking (Ps3 cell is very strong, but weak on the RAM, and well an outdated gfx card but that is a lesser problem)
 
If it's true about them using this card, at least the pc game market might see a spike. By 2013 the pc will be blowing away what the next Xbox will be capable of. The Xbox launch day titles will look really silly compared to what the pc is doing.
 
^Isn't that always the case. My 2003 XPS by Dell was as strong as the PS3 (same gfx card in SLI).
Problem is PC developped games are too rare to prove the PC capabilities, and then there are barriers like DirectX (which is a good things but still not the best catalyst for gfx)
 
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^Isn't that always the case. My 2003 XPS by Dell was as strong as the PS3 (same gfx card in SLI).
Problem is PC developped games are too rare to prove the PC capabilities, and then there are barriers like DirectX (which is a good things but still not the best catalyst for gfx)
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But didn't the 360 release with a high end gpu that wasn't on the market yet for the PC? I know technology is always advancing, but you would think they would at least use a card from 2012 for their 2013 console and not one from 2010. What would be cool is if they will let the eyefinity or whatever ati calls it, into the xbox for triple screen, but really that card would barely have enough vram to run any decent game with it.

I don't know, I just think it's a really weak choice of a card with the new ones coming out, that will run much cooler and much more efficient. In the end though at least it will be better and maybe even offer triple screen on one console, but I highly doubt it. If nothing else there is no way a 400$ price tag can be justified by using what to them will be a something like a 20$ graphics card.

With that card, and even 8 gig of very fast ram they wouldn't even have 50$ with of hardware in it. Maybe we will see a 200-250$ launch xbox.
Maybe their going crossfire with it. It doesn't mention that, and with the price of that card and the performance of it, that would be a good deal for consumers and microsoft. Who knows, at least they're is a little info out there on it, rather it be confirmed or not, it gives us something to talk about for the next gen.
 
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But didn't the 360 release with a high end gpu that wasn't on the market yet for the PC? I know technology is always advancing, but you would think they would at least use a card from 2012 for their 2013 console and not one from 2010. What would be cool is if they will let the eyefinity or whatever ati calls it, into the xbox for triple screen, but really that card would barely have enough vram to run any decent game with it.

I don't know, I just think it's a really weak choice of a card with the new ones coming out, that will run much cooler and much more efficient. In the end though at least it will be better and maybe even offer triple screen on one console, but I highly doubt it. If nothing else there is no way a 400$ price tag can be justified by using what to them will be a something like a 20$ graphics card.

With that card, and even 8 gig of very fast ram they wouldn't even have 50$ with of hardware in it. Maybe we will see a 200-250$ launch xbox.
Maybe their going crossfire with it. It doesn't mention that, and with the price of that card and the performance of it, that would be a good deal for consumers and microsoft. Who knows, at least they're is a little info out there on it, rather it be confirmed or not, it gives us something to talk about for the next gen.
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The 360 has an ATi Xenos gpu... which was similar to their Radeon 1800 line that was out in 2005/2006 with some slightly advanced features that were used in the 2000 line the next year. Similarly the PS3 has a card that is based on tech from the nvidia 7800/7900 cards from 2006. In both cases the PC versions of the cards were already out when the consoles released and within months newer cards were out.

If they are going to use the 6670, or something based off of that platform in the actual production units, then I would think they are just trying to keep the launch prices lower this time around. The intent could be to produce an all around entertainment system that appeals to a broader group than just "hardcore gamers" (in both cost and capability) or maybe they are planning for a shorter lifecycle this time around instead of developing specialized hardware and needing to make it last 10 years to break even on the R&D costs. The Game Devs/Publishers aren't going to care about the power as long as there is a large user base to sell their products to.

In any case the launch is still almost 2 years away (at a minimum) so it may be a bit early to really speculate.
 
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If it's true about them using this card, at least the pc game market might see a spike. By 2013 the pc will be blowing away what the next Xbox will be capable of. The Xbox launch day titles will look really silly compared to what the pc is doing.
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I'd much rather pay $300 for a NEW console than pay $300 to do nothing more than improve frame rate of an already expense PC that will be obsolete in 10 months since it was new.

And If a manufacturer see putting 8GB of ram into a system will cost them $500million a year cutting that to 4 or maybe even 2 would save them a small fortune. They buy in bulk, not system to system trolling new egg for bargains. Considering what the 360 does with 512MB it could be highly effective with just 2GB bringing the cost down even more.

My PC had 1.5GB +256V of ram when PS3 came out and PS3 out did my PC in graphics with just 256+256
 
The hardware in consoles never stays current for long so it seems strange that they would start with hardware that is already considered out of date. Perhaps it is a move to keep the launch price down and with their focus on Kinect they're probably looking to lure more people away from the Wii and Wii U. A low launch price will make it more attractive to the casual gamers.
 
Wait. The NextBox is going to 'Block Used Games'? OK, so what happens if I'm a late adopter and I want to buy a game which is only available used?
 
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I'd much rather pay $300 for a NEW console than pay $300 to do nothing more than improve frame rate of an already expense PC that will be obsolete in 10 months since it was new.

And If a manufacturer see putting 8GB of ram into a system will cost them $500million a year cutting that to 4 or maybe even 2 would save them a small fortune. They buy in bulk, not system to system trolling new egg for bargains. Considering what the 360 does with 512MB it could be highly effective with just 2GB bringing the cost down even more.

My PC had 1.5GB +256V of ram when PS3 came out and PS3 out did my PC in graphics with just 256+256
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It's not just improving frame rate with a PC. And if the PC is going to be outdated in 10 months with the newest tech in it, how do you think the xbox will be when it has 2-3 year old tech in it when it releases. I too would rather pay 300$ for a new console if it's going to be a good console. I would rather though pay 600$ for an awesome console then 100$ for one that's been outdated for 2 years before it's released. It seems to me like the nextbox is going the way of nintendo, using inferior hardware and relying on gimmicks to sell their system. I really hopes that's not the case, because I really like xbox live, but if it's not going to be close to where PC games are now, 2 years from now, then I don't see the point in buying one. Really, 8 years later and the tech will only be 6 times more powerful that's just ridiculous.
 
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It's not just improving frame rate with a PC. And if the PC is going to be outdated in 10 months with the newest tech in it, how do you think the xbox will be when it has 2-3 year old tech in it when it releases. I too would rather pay 300$ for a new console if it's going to be a good console. I would rather though pay 600$ for an awesome console though then 100$ for one that's been outdated for 2 years before it's released. It seems to me like the nextbox is going the way of nintendo, using inferior hardware and relying on gimmicks to sell their system. I really hopes that's not the case, because I really like xbox live, but if it's not going to be close to where PC games are now, 2 years from now, then I don't see the point in buying one. Really, 8 years later and the tech will only be 6 times more powerful that's just ridiculous.
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Dont forget the PC has to be at least 3 or 4 times more powerfull than a console to achieve the same results (because of the multiple processes running in the background) and we dont know what CPU or amount of RAM will be in the new Xbox...

Alex p.
Thx for some common sense bevo.
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For me common sense is to use a PC to work and internet and a console to play... but thats just me, Im not rich, unfortunatly...
 
Hehehe, idiots. A 6670? SERIOUSLY?!?! Geez, even I've got more than that in my crappy budget AMD rig (6770). They better do something nasty to the chip like put in a gig more of GDDR memory and make their games work off the GDDR memory, or something. That's the most ridiculous thing I've read this year. Might I say, the year is still young...

=insert dramatic shock horror sound effect here=

Nevermind, found it:

 
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Wait. The NextBox is going to 'Block Used Games'? OK, so what happens if I'm a late adopter and I want to buy a game which is only available used?
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You won't be able to buy it used. No one is selling them.

Digital download probably. Cloud etc.
 

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