What Grinds your Gears?

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I wasn't lecturing you.

You were. We went from me stating my satisfaction at the airport having a designated smoking area to you giving me a lecture about how smoking was my choice.

I'm 24 and I'm fully aware of that fact. The point is, you could have said nothing, but you couldn't resist and just had to tell me that me smoking is "my problem".

Now you say you're okay with people smoking in their home/designated areas. Which is all I ever said in the first place. Stop backtracking. I never once expressed any wish to smoke in any area where I'm not supposed to.
 
What I find annoying about it is the lectures on the evils of smoking from those not even young enough to smoke. It would be so funny if I found out in a few years that some of them smoke.

You'd be surprised at the age people are starting to smoke these days. 12, 10.

Still teasing myself, looking at cars 4 months before I'm back in the country.

There's a Jaguar X-Type 13 miles from my postcode for just £1,100. But the insurance is close to £7,000. Then there's tax. And an MOT. And petrol. Bah...

So you're going to be a Jaaaaaag man? :sly: At least it's not Japanese, and you won't look extremely poor. Go for something English! Or German.

Reminds me of the baggage handlers in Come Fly With Me. :lol:

:lol: That Mockumentary is hilarious!

Jai
Some of us don't like, or fit in The Infield ;)

That would be me.

My ear is grinding my ears! It's clogged again. So as usual, I have to sleep facing the other way and it's really uncomfortable. That is so it goes back to the nose (it is allergies). I wake up and I'm facing my normal way again, but luckily I've been running like a tap today (my nose). So it must have done something. But whenever my ear is clogged I just feel miserable and very irritable.
 
You'd be surprised at the age people are starting to smoke these days. 12, 10.

Nothing shocks me any more. I'm pretty sure I once saw an article about a four year old who smoked. I didn't start smoking until I was 16 which was the legal age in the country at the time.
 
Nothing shocks me any more. I'm pretty sure I once saw an article about a four year old who smoked. I didn't start smoking until I was 16 which was the legal age in the country at the time.

Pove me wrong but I will never spell prove wrong again after that start to the sentence! But yeah, go and smoke. Just I don't want it inhaled in my face (so thank you for not doing that, and blowing the other way) ;)
 
Nothing shocks me any more. I'm pretty sure I once saw an article about a four year old who smoked. I didn't start smoking until I was 16 which was the legal age in the country at the time.

You started smoking late, at least compared to some people in my school. Personally, I can't stand it but I'm not in a position to comment about whether people smoke or not, I've smoked before, long story, not pretty.
 
Pove me wrong but I will never spell prove wrong again after that start to the sentence! But yeah, go and smoke. Just I don't want it inhaled in my face (so thank you for not doing that, and blowing the other way) ;)

Don't worry. I always blow it in the direction of New Zealand. ;)
 
I saw something I didn't want to see today, two white guys and a black guy were about to walk past each other at the other side of the road..

One of the white men said "What did the black kid get for Christmas? - Your T.V"

And the black guy turned on him and they all started fighting, this was near the shop, just across the street.
 
With our easy immigration laws, they have all just come flooding in because their own country "isn't good enough for them.."
 
Don't worry. I always blow it in the direction of New Zealand. ;)

Yeah? Unfortunately you aimed just 1 degree away. You just blew it into Southeast Asia. :sly: And another in Antarctica.
 
Jai
With our easy immigration laws, they have all just come flooding in because their own country "isn't good enough for them.."

Easy immigration laws? So that's why the girl I'm marrying can't get a visa? They aren't easy, they just allow people from poorer countries to play the system. And FYI, she has a degree and no criminal record. It's only "easy" if you're from an EU member country.
 
Well easy would definitely be the wrong word to use. Even my strongly worded letters to MP's, the UK Border agency, the Immigration minister and the deputy prime minister himself did nothing.

I even read about an Aussie woman who had a job offer as a Nurse whose Husband was a UK citizen (who she had 4 kids with) had her application rejected 5 times.

Anything but easy. Unless of course you come as an asylum seeker. The UKBA let in an asylum seeker who was actually wanted in his home country for murder but not my mrs.

They can shove it up their 🤬
 
Depending on the flight I take, I'll either have a stopover in Amsterdam or Dubai. At least I'll be able to have a smoke before I get back on the plane. Non smokers do not understand the sheer hell that air travel is for smokers.

Its your choice to become legally addicted to fags. That's your problem.

Additionally, its still hell for (non-smokers) people to be cooped up with strangers for however long the flight is, regardless of whether they're gasping for a fag/drink/see long lost loves/holiday.

Yes. It is my choice. I am fully aware of that. But I didn't ask for a lecture from you.

I agree that smoking should be banned on airplanes. I am also of the opinion that if most airports had smoking rooms, there would be far fewer idiots trying to sneak a smoke on the plane.

This is a contradiction above. You cannot ban smoking in an airport and still smoke in designated areas. Banning something means banning something it is is not available to do at all on that area.

So what you mean is, you agree with airports banning smoking anywhere on their property, just not when it inconvenience you on your stopover.

It kinda sounds pretty selfish really.

However, of course, you're legally addicted to it so it's alright to actually claim that you should have some rights to it? Even though it actually harms other people when they breathe in your second hand smoke, EVEN when you've breathed the other way?

But it can get tiring being lectured about smoking.

I'm not proud of the fact that I smoke and I go out of the way to avoid incoveniencing others. I always abide by the house rules wherever I am. However, I don't like to be lectured on the subject.

That's human nature not to like being lectured on the subject that you know is wrong to people who do not choose to clog their lungs up with smoke. My issue is that apparently you understand why people complain to you directly, yet you do nothing about it to remedy the problem at all.

You obviously are an intelligent person and know why people complain to you directly (as obviously you've had people say this to your face and so on) but still carry it on.

My issue is that you decided, for whatever reason, to tke my statement of: "this is your problem, it is your choice" out of context and see it as a slight to yourself.

It isn't, at all.

It is merely highlighting that from YOUR choice to become legally addicted to smoking, you now have to abide by that choice. As it is your own free choice to continue smoking (as you could literally stop at any time, couldn't you, when you first started) then you shouldn't complain about having to wait for your next opportunity to have a cigarette.

You were. We went from me stating my satisfaction at the airport having a designated smoking area to you giving me a lecture about how smoking was my choice.

I'm 24 and I'm fully aware of that fact. The point is, you could have said nothing, but you couldn't resist and just had to tell me that me smoking is "my problem".

Now you say you're okay with people smoking in their home/designated areas. Which is all I ever said in the first place. Stop backtracking. I never once expressed any wish to smoke in any area where I'm not supposed to.

Technically, from the above, it was not actually clear what you were talking about. All I got from the original statement that you made, which was

Depending on the flight I take, I'll either have a stopover in Amsterdam or Dubai. At least I'll be able to have a smoke before I get back on the plane. Non smokers do not understand the sheer hell that air travel is for smokers.

was that non-smokers doesn't understand the "sheer hell" that smokers have while in a plane. This is the key sentence in that statement. But the thing is, being a smoker or a non-smoker doesn't actually make being in a plane worse or better. Everyone is still in the same situation, lumped together with weird/strange/odd/strangers people that they are never going to meet again forever. So, the experience is still the same.

Apart, of course, from the select few who chooses to make their life even worse for that period of time by not being able to smoke.

There's nicotine patches out there that you can take. There's far more drugs/stuff/placebos you can take if you want to reduce the cravings during the long haul flights nowadays,

My gear grinder for the moment is that I am obviously taking things over the top.
 
Don't tilt your head forwards to far while eating Altoids. I just did and minty saliva came out my nose and it burns! Gah!! What are the chances of that!!
 
What grinds my gears today (more like my body) is mowing in the humid head and completely being covered in sweat afterwards.
 
Here we go. :rolleyes:

This is a contradiction above. You cannot ban smoking in an airport and still smoke in designated areas. Banning something means banning something it is is not available to do at all on that area.

Many airports have smoking rooms. Dubai does. Amsterdam (I have just found out) doesn't. So it is possible to ban smoking in an airport yet still have smoking areas.

So what you mean is, you agree with airports banning smoking anywhere on their property, just not when it inconvenience you on your stopover.

It kinda sounds pretty selfish really.

No. I agree with any person/business banning smoking on their property. But I also agree that it's a good idea to have a smoking area. Any club you've been to since the smoking ban came into place will have an area designated for smoking. Usually outside, sometimes a specific room. I've experienced this in North America and Europe. I don't see how it is selfish to want a smoking area. Most clubs have one because they don't want to lose customers. It is not selfish to want to indulge in a legal habit when on a stopover. Some people use it to have a drink or grab some food.

However, of course, you're legally addicted to it so it's alright to actually claim that you should have some rights to it? Even though it actually harms other people when they breathe in your second hand smoke, EVEN when you've breathed the other way?

I'm fully aware of that. I always abide by the smoking laws wherever I am. Smoking is not illegal and if the owner of whichever property I'm in says "You can't smoke here, but you can smoke here", then I abide by it.

That's human nature not to like being lectured on the subject that you know is wrong to people who do not choose to clog their lungs up with smoke. My issue is that apparently you understand why people complain to you directly, yet you do nothing about it to remedy the problem at all.

Because quitting smoking is hard. With all the other 🤬 going on in my life just now, I'm not in the best place to quit.

You obviously are an intelligent person and know why people complain to you directly (as obviously you've had people say this to your face and so on) but still carry it on.

Personally, I haven't had anyone complain to me. I follow the rules.

My issue is that you decided, for whatever reason, to tke my statement of: "this is your problem, it is your choice" out of context and see it as a slight to yourself.

How have I taken it out of context? You jumped at the slightest opportunity to talk down to me about smoking. How is one person's relief in the fact that they can smoke, which is legal, while on a stopover a cue to come in and say "that's your choice"?

Bloody right it's my choice. If I have an opportunity to have a smoke at my stopover, then I will take it. The key word in that sentence is if.

It is merely highlighting that from YOUR choice to become legally addicted to smoking, you now have to abide by that choice. As it is your own free choice to continue smoking (as you could literally stop at any time, couldn't you, when you first started) then you shouldn't complain about having to wait for your next opportunity to have a cigarette.

I could literally stop at any time yes. But things aren't always that easy. I choose to smoke. I don't complain about it.

Technically, from the above, it was not actually clear what you were talking about. All I got from the original statement that you made, which was

You're clearly not used to being around smokers are you? Whenever you're on a long journey and stop at services, the first thing that smokers do is smoke. You seem to have some issue with this. I'm moving to the other side of the world and want to use my time at the stopover partaking in a legal habit of mine in a designated area.

was that non-smokers doesn't understand the "sheer hell" that smokers have while in a plane. This is the key sentence in that statement. But the thing is, being a smoker or a non-smoker doesn't actually make being in a plane worse or better. Everyone is still in the same situation, lumped together with weird/strange/odd/strangers people that they are never going to meet again forever. So, the experience is still the same.

Being a smoker actually does make a plane journey worse. I can handle the cramped conditions, the strangers, the bad food and all that. But you're in a situation where you have an addiction (which you obviously can't understand) and for the whole duration of the flight, you grow increasingly aware of the fact that you want a cigarette. It gets to the point that it becomes more important than any anxiety or feelings about seeing a loved one.

Apart, of course, from the select few who chooses to make their life even worse for that period of time by not being able to smoke.

You are aware that smoking is a several times a day habit. You start to crave it. The odd time you're in a plane doesn't factor in. Next time you fly, watch the other passengers when you start to make your way out of the airport. Watch how many stop and spark up.

There's nicotine patches out there that you can take. There's far more drugs/stuff/placebos you can take if you want to reduce the cravings during the long haul flights nowadays,

I am aware of nicotine patches. Speaking as someone who takes absolutely zero medication (not even sleeping pills/painkillers etc) I'm not too keen on the idea of nicotine patches. But may actually try them for the flight.
 
Wow F1. You're just finding yourself getting caught up arguments this week. First with me, now this...
 
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