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To be honest, I agree with the mods actions. Yes, he shouldn't have started the argument but the reaction of @Praiano was far worse. Its like when all those Pewdiepie fans react to a troll Youtube Comment on him. Sure the trolling was unnecessary but the abusive behaviour by the fans is just creul.
 
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To be honest, I agree with the banning. Yes, he shouldn't have started the argument but the reaction of @Praiano was far worse. Its like when all those Pewdiepie fans react to a troll Youtube Comment on him. Sure the trolling was unnecessary but the abusive behaviour by the fans is just creul.
He wasn't banned. He wasn't even given any infraction points. His leaving was entirely his decision.
 
I still hope that behind the scenes some diplomatic genius(ses) find a way to glue this.

The world is cold enough, his garage gave me warmth.

There must be a way that without anyone losing his face the situation will be cured. All who are in this problem (the person who started by invading, Laurent by reacting, Staff by interfering) took the decision to do what they did, all could just not have done it, but they took the decision to do it. So all that happened was a consequence by the choices individuals made.

There are no winners here, besides maybe a small group of people that feel good for a little moment. There is a big group of losers who feels sad and powerless.

I would like to see a petition to get Laurent back and i am curious to the reactions, that should take place in the tuning section, it is the place where most people go, it could be that Laurent is persuaded to come back, the small group of people still feels good but a large group of people will also feel good...

thoughts?
 
There must be a way that without anyone losing his face the situation will be cured.

There was, he could have just took the warning for what it was and moved on. Instead he threw a giant hissy fit, destroyed the thing he was popular for and stormed off.

He still does have a chance to save face though, but that would require him to come on here, be a grown up, and apologize.

I would like to see a petition to get Laurent back and i am curious to the reactions, that should take place in the tuning section, it is the place where most people go, it could be that Laurent is persuaded to come back, the small group of people still feels good but a large group of people will also feel good...

No need to petition considering there is nothing barring him from returning. If people really want him to come back, why don't you just ask him?

@praiano63
 
@daan has locked it down. Unless Praiano's membership allows otherwise, it seems a strange thing to do while his original thread remains locked.
Not at all. The original thread is only locked because he removed all the useful information in the first post. Replicating that information in a new thread rather than approaching the staff to unlock the original thread so it may be restored to the existing 4,000+ post discussion... now that's strange.
 
@daan has locked it down. Unless Praiano's membership allows otherwise, it seems a strange thing to do while his original thread remains locked.

I think the action is not very wise, he should have known that making a new thread with his tune links is asking for another lock down :) All he had to do was, reconcile with the staff and request his original garage to be unlocked. I'm sure the staff would grant his wish if he sincerely wanted to give his free tunes again.

Treed by @Famine :ouch:
 
I can sympathise with both Praiano and the Mods. The Mods because they didn't really do anything wrong and Praiano because being antagonised can be very annoying, it is enough to make some people not want to bother any more as it ruins their experience. It would be nice if Praiano would be able to not let certain people bother him and/or if the mods could do more to stop people from winding each other up. It's sad that someone was allowed/able to ruin it for so many people.

Looking at the link above from Ridox2JZGTE is frustrating. Praiano unwilling to ask for his old Garage thread to be reopened, Mods unwilling to let him open a new one.
 
Another thread was deleted when he got heated up with abusive posts :( Why can't he be calm and think everything through ?

I think the staff has been very patient and lenient to him :( Anyone else might have been banned already.
 
Another thread was deleted when he got heated up with abusive posts :( Why can't he be calm and think everything through ?

I think the staff has been very patient and lenient to him :( Anyone else might have been banned already.
No, you've got it all wrong. We're picking on him specifically and waging a hate campaign against him.
 
All who are in this problem (the person who started by invading, Laurent by reacting, Staff by interfering) took the decision to do what they did, all could just not have done it, but they took the decision to do it. So all that happened was a consequence by the choices individuals made.

I'd hardly call "hey, maybe you guys should ignore each other" anything approaching staff interference.
 
Is swearing in a post abuse? I think not.
Is defending yourself against someone's actions abuse? Again, I think not. People lost their tempers and instead of cooling down, over reacted.
 
Is swearing in a post abuse? I think not.
Depends on the context.
Is defending yourself against someone's actions abuse? Again, I think not.
Depends on the context.
People lost their tempers and instead of cooling down, over reacted.
I'd certainly say that upon being told to ignore someone if they didn't like their posts becoming abusive to a moderator, blanking your post and leaving the site is a loss of temper, yes.
 
Is swearing in a post abuse? I think not.
It can be. If I said you talk 🤬, you wouldn't like it would you? Also swearing is against the AUP anyway.
Is defending yourself against someone's actions abuse? Again, I think not. People lost their tempers and instead of cooling down, over reacted.
Yes again it can be. If you insult my mother and I insult your grandmother back it is still abuse.
 
Is swearing in a post abuse? I think not.
Is defending yourself against someone's actions abuse? Again, I think not. People lost their tempers and instead of cooling down, over reacted.

That was exactly what he did in one of deleted thread, even more worse than his post that got him into trouble in his garage.
 
Not at all. The original thread is only locked because he removed all the useful information in the first post. Replicating that information in a new thread rather than approaching the staff to unlock the original thread so it may be restored to the existing 4,000+ post discussion... now that's strange.

Not trying to take sides here. I understand why the first thread was locked and can also understand why, at some point, the second thread should be locked.

Having gone about restoring the links to his tunes the wrong way, I'd have a thought some helpful advice would be good practice. I see plenty of useful guidance from mods around the forums and presuming there is no ill will from the mods over this matter is why I thought it strange to be left hanging that way.
 
I read the original post, he said something similar to "I can smell the bullcrap already, leave me alone". Is that abuse? That was the context

Asking someone to leave you alone is not abuse.
 
Not trying to take sides here. I understand why the first thread was locked and can also understand why, at some point, the second thread should be locked.

Having gone about restoring the links to his tunes the wrong way, I'd have a thought some helpful advice would be good practice. I see plenty of useful guidance from mods around the forums and presuming there is no ill will from the mods over this matter is why I thought it strange to be left hanging that way.
I had left such advice in some of the emergent threads and indeed also said to some of the people who have messaged me that he is not banned and we could restore the post and thread in a trice if he desired it, before his second thread.
I read the original post, he said something similar to "I can smell the bullcrap already, leave me alone". Is that abuse? That was the context
And at that point he and his antagonist were told by a member of staff to ignore each other, lest it ends as it did the last time we intervened in a spat between them. No sanctions were laid against either member, much less any warnings for abuse.
Asking someone to leave you alone is not abuse.
Depends on the context.
 
I read the original post, he said something similar to "I can smell the bullcrap already, leave me alone". Is that abuse? That was the context

Asking someone to leave you alone is not abuse.

You have missed quite some of his later threads/posts. It was deleted for a reason. If only you have read them :(

Not trying to take sides here. I understand why the first thread was locked and can also understand why, at some point, the second thread should be locked.

Having gone about restoring the links to his tunes the wrong way, I'd have a thought some helpful advice would be good practice. I see plenty of useful guidance from mods around the forums and presuming there is no ill will from the mods over this matter is why I thought it strange to be left hanging that way.


I wrote this to him in one of threads that got deleted, and things got escalated from bad to worse afterwards, but thankfully the staff did the right course of action to stop it.

@ praiano63 : Please think through everything with a calm mind, try getting in touch with @ Famine, and asks him what needs to be done to get your garage opened again.
 
If you tell someone "Leave me alone" it's not abusive. If you tell someone "🤬 off" it is. Context is everything - that's why the AUP is written broadly enough to deal with behaviours not specifics.
It's obvious he doesn't deal with confrontation well. Leave me alone is a defensive statement. It should have been treated as such.
And he was advised by the staff to ignore the member that was causing him problems (something he later said he'd already done - which is baffling) rather than writing aggressive messages to them with expletives in. His reaction was to abuse the staff member...

To repeat what I said in another thread:
Do not feed the trolls.

Trolls want attention. Giving them attention leads them to troll more. If you feel someone is being insulting or breaking the AUP, report them, Ignore them and move on with your life.
 
If you tell someone "Leave me alone" it's not abusive. If you tell someone "🤬 off" it is. Context is everything - that's why the AUP is written broadly enough to deal with behaviours not specifics.And he was advised by the staff to ignore the member that was causing him problems (something he later said he'd already done - which is baffling) rather than writing aggressive messages to them with expletives in. His reaction was to abuse the staff member...

To repeat what I said in another thread:
You're right, Famine. No swearing is allowed, because it is against the AUP.

But in my opinion, closing these 2 threads was fair in my opinion, because although that Praiano was posting his own tunes, he should have followed the moderator's instruction by ignoring the member which was causing him problems and he didn't. So, I think that the thread being locked was fair because the justice was made.

What Praiano did was not right and he might, therefore, suffer his consequences.
 
And we understand that there are people who are quite... irritating... but if they do not commit an abuse that is covered by the AUP, then there's little we can do but suggest they find a more constructive use of their time.

This is unfortunately so true. In quite a few sections of the site there are people who have the CorrectOpinion™ and everyone disagreeing will certainly be aware of being wrong in a few moments. Words are twisted, the opinion of person X doesn't count because it's just an opinion (in reality more like because he's person X) but the one of person Y is a fact and must not be challenged because person Y says so, and they'll have a couple of friends nearby to give the "offender" so much flak that the latter calls it a day and leaves voluntarily because he can't win such an argument. As a result the CorrectOpinion™ holders are even more certain that they were right and their confidence only increases. Been there, seen that. Not once or twice. It's even happened in this very thread already and in the very same fashion that happened to me a couple of weeks ago - interpreting someone's words in a way the interpreter wants to despite the original meaning having been very different.

I certainly don't envy the staff. You guys have an impossible mission every day.
 
You're right, Famine. No swearing is allowed, because it is against the AUP.

But in my opinion, closing these 2 threads was fair in my opinion, because although that Praiano was posting his own tunes, he should have followed the moderator's instruction by ignoring the member which was causing him problems and he didn't. So, I think that the thread being locked was fair because the justice was made.

What Praiano did was not right and he might, therefore, suffer his consequences.
No more work for Famine ok Harsk matey. ;)
 
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