What is preventing PD from putting Ferrari,lambo and porsche other then the liscense?

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Spooky :).
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what just happened to the post that was there ^^^

It disapeared now thats spooky :boggled:

In response to what was originally posted above.

No matter what, any contract lawyer worth his salt would never guarantee free use of a license, after the end of the license agreement.
that doesnt mean that clauses that allow extension cant be included but most likely would include the need for heavy cash payment.
And at the time of drawing up the agreement, the lawyers would probably have been going with the idea that at the end of the license they would tender out a new exclusivity deal, therefore i would presume that no grace period would exists.

Copywright lawyers are very small minded, when it comes to protecting there rights and any infringement of copywright is normally taken to task at every opportunity, and they will make there contracts water tight, grace is not something you will find coming from these money hungry sharks.
 
What happened was there was a large flaw in it so I just got rid of it. Yes I agree with what you've just posted.
 
I'm not trying to come up with some off-topic deal, but let me ask a commonly-asked question. Even though not related to Porsche, the Ruf cars were surely quite a consolation. So my questions would be (1) why isn't there a Ruf racing car, or at least a "Ruf LM Race Car" of some kind, and (2) if such a car was added to the GT4 car lineup, how would Porsche respond?

The reason why I asked about this is because as good as Rufs are and myself asking an already-asked question, I just wanted to touch on Porsche here.
 
As far as I know Ruf doesn't compete in LM races or something (apart from some privateers maybe). And I'm sure Kazunori wouldn't just "make up" one.
 
JohnBM01
I'm not trying to come up with some off-topic deal, but let me ask a commonly-asked question. Even though not related to Porsche, the Ruf cars were surely quite a consolation. So my questions would be (1) why isn't there a Ruf racing car, or at least a "Ruf LM Race Car" of some kind, and (2) if such a car was added to the GT4 car lineup, how would Porsche respond?

The reason why I asked about this is because as good as Rufs are and myself asking an already-asked question, I just wanted to touch on Porsche here.
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I'm not really sure, but I think two big obvious reasons are the horsepower, too high, and the cost of the car, also too high.
 
Dev_Zero
As far as I know Ruf doesn't compete in LM races or something (apart from some privateers maybe). And I'm sure Kazunori wouldn't just "make up" one.
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He did exactly that with a couple of the Japanese LM cars in past GT titles, so why not with the Ruf?
 
Well you could rewrite your question as
He did exactly that with a couple of the Japanese LM cars in past GT titles, so why not with the <insert random manufacturer>?
He could do that with any car, why would he choose Ruf and not another manufacturer/car?
The LM versions of some Japanese cars in previous versions are at least based on studies/concepts. Haven't seen them from Ruf and having trouble finding them on the net.
 
Japan does have a Porsche series, while on the subject of LM cars. I've heard of the Porsche Cup in Japan, to the best of my knowledge. I don't know if you would want to base a Ruf LM off of these cars. That may have sounded stupid, but it could happen.
 
Dev_Zero
Well that's the whole discussion. Is a Ruf actually a Porsche?
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RUF indeed is really a Porsche. Porsche usually sends them a car, and RUF modifies just about everything on it. So yeah, it basically is a Posche. The 3400S is a Boxster. (I think Boxster S)
 
That is true, yes, but Ruf claims they aren't producing porsches, but Rufs (totally different in their opinion). Trying to base a "fake" LM version of a Ruf on a Porsche might prove tricky, as we don't know to what extent Rufs are/aren't Porsches.
 
Solid Lifters
I'm not really sure, but I think two big obvious reasons are the horsepower, too high, and the cost of the car, also too high.
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The horsepower too high? Is that possible?

The cost of the car too high? LeMans racers aren't exactly cheap, though Porsche GT3's are some of the cheapest in there class. But a Ruf isn't that much more expensive than a regular Porsche.

In fact, considering Porsches success in LeMans, the GTS class victory of this year, i don't think it is outlandish to say that Ruf could take a regular GT3 RS-R and turn it into something moderately better and put a decent fight up, the reason they haven't bothered with LM racing is probably because it isn't worth the time/money to Ruf, not because their cars are have horsepower or cost that is "too high".

The LM versions of some Japanese cars in previous versions are at least based on studies/concepts. Haven't seen them from Ruf and having trouble finding them on the net.
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Thing is they aren't. RX-7 LM? WRX LM? And most of all FTO LM? These are fantasy cars, loosely based on real life cars at best.



Also, Ruf IS technicaly a seperate car manufacturer, they don't so much "tune" as they do "replace" (or so i hear). Furthermore in those Porsche pictures, the last one, the 993 that looks like the CTR2 albeit with front wing is definitely not a Ruf, CTR2 or whatever. Those wheels are very much Porsche standard wheels and no Ruf carries standard Porsche wheels AFAIK.
 
Actually, RUFs can go up to 3 times the prices of Porsches. RUFs are alot more expensive. The RGT really can go up to over a $160,000.

EDIT: BTW, all cars in GT3 are based on real-life cars. Those LM cars were in old JGTC races I think in the late 90's.
 
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Actually, RUFs can go up to 3 times the prices of Porsches. RUFs are alot more expensive. The RGT really can go up to over a $160,000.
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fair enough, i should have done my research first.

BTW, all cars in GT3 are based on real-life cars. Those LM cars were in old JGTC races I think in the late 90's.
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There are JGTC WRX's and JGTC RX-7's, not at all like the ones in the GT series, considering how the RX-7's and WRX's were GT300 class and the LM cars are completely out of GT300 class rules. But it also asks the question, why would they name JGTC cars LM's when they could easily call them JGTC cars and put on the correct racing livery? The fact of the matter is these LM cars are completely made up (with some exceptions, like the Nismo LM). Why do you think none of them have a write up about them?
 
Ruf is fake? Wait until that 600hp beast hits the track (unless someone tells me that the car is to the Carerra GT as the MC12 is to the Enzo)!
 
To clear things up, Ruf are not classified as a Porsche, the opnly things they share with Porsche is the bodywork, and even then it's bodywork from older models. All the mechanicals and interiors are changed, and Ruf's you see with a Porsche interior re Porsches that some rich kid has taken to Ruf to modify, Ruf builds cars and they tune Porsches, the cars they build are not Porsches. If you get two identical cars before they are registered and badged with serial nubers and you start to modify one of them, theres a point where the modified car is no longer what it was going to be bedged, it something else entirely, thats an Ruf in this case.

As for the Ruf supercar, it's going to have well over 600Bhp and it uses no Porsche parts, not even any of the bodywork.
 
1) I understand about RUF but............How do RUF get the rights to nick porsche body pannels and other fittings?

2) Do you think That RUF will make their own version of the Carerra GT?

3) and also........who wants Porsche when RUF's look the same and are way faster!
 
Dev_Zero
Well you could rewrite your question as
He did exactly that with a couple of the Japanese LM cars in past GT titles, so why not with the <insert random manufacturer>?
He could do that with any car, why would he choose Ruf and not another manufacturer/car?
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But, we're not talking about other car manufactures. We're talking about Ruf, and a possible race car version, which obviously has to be a LM type race car, since that's the only real world race class they could possibly be in. With a few exceptions of course.

The LM versions of some Japanese cars in previous versions are at least based on studies/concepts. Haven't seen them from Ruf and having trouble finding them on the net.
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But, again, these vehicles are not real LM race cars, and we're taliking about adding a Ruf as a possible "concept" LM race car.
 
Pistachio
The horsepower too high? Is that possible?
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Yes. The GT class runs the cars at 450HP with a top speed of 170 to 180MPH. Ruf cars have 550 to 600+HP, and a top speed of 220MPH. This even out performs the GT-S class cars in the AMLS racing serires, which the HP rating is 500-550HP, and a top speed around 185 to 195MPH. So, yes, the horsepower in the Ruf is too high.

The cost of the car too high? LeMans racers aren't exactly cheap, though Porsche GT3's are some of the cheapest in there class. But a Ruf isn't that much more expensive than a regular Porsche.
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Yes, the cost of the LM cars are lower, since they start off with a basic model, and modify it for racing. This basic model has to be a regular production car. I don't think anybody would choose a Ruf to modiify into a LM GT car, since doing it to a Porsche is so much cheaper. Rufs go for around 300,000+ dollars, and Porsches go for around 65,000 dollars. What car would you choose to modify into a race car?

In fact, considering Porsches success in LeMans, the GTS class victory of this year, i don't think it is outlandish to say that Ruf could take a regular GT3 RS-R and turn it into something moderately better and put a decent fight up, the reason they haven't bothered with LM racing is probably because it isn't worth the time/money to Ruf, not because their cars are have horsepower or cost that is "too high".
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The fact is, the Corvette C5R won the GT-S class at this years 24 Hour Le Mans.
 
I read somewhere that RUF's owner was talking to his designers asking them to design a car of their own. Afterwards, he would look at it, and think about it.
 
RUF is considered a vehicle manufacturer by the german government. In fact the only thing they recieve from porsche is a bare chasis with no serial number. I believe they make their own bodywork but it is meant to look exactly like a porsche. This was all on their web site, it did not mention racing.
 
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RUF is considered a vehicle manufacturer by the german government. In fact the only thing they recieve from porsche is a bare chasis with no serial number. I believe they make their own bodywork but it is meant to look exactly like a porsche. This was all on their web site, it did not mention racing.
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RUF is still basically, a high powered Porsche. They get the chassis, and the make there own type of Porsche.

Take this for example.

The 2001 RUF R Turbo is a 2001 Porsche 911 Turbo with the following mods.
~Custom RUF exhaust-4 exhaust pipes with the outer two opening above 75MPH.
~Increased boost pressure.
~Turbo Body exhchanged for narrow-body with internal steel roll-cage.
~Lowered ride height
~Custom rear and front spoilers
~RUF wheel arches and air intake.
~Recaro bucket seats
~Deleted Rear Seats
~Carbon-Fiber hood
911 Turbo
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R-Turbo
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