What is preventing PD from putting Ferrari,lambo and porsche other then the liscense?

[usernamed]

A while back we mentioned the possibility of taking say, a ProDrive Ferrari and including it in the same vein as they had the McLaren F1.

A quick Google reveals the Murcielago R-GT.

Thanks, I should of looked it up...

 

[pimp racer]

Hey usernamed did the mod delete that other thread? becuase I dont see it anymore I would like to say sorry to everyone for that kinda just got excited and didnt know what I was thinking

 

[Shen Yin]

We have already had a major delay of something like 12 months. Please dont start predicting more delays.
I dont wont to have to add downloads to my PS2 games. If I wanted downloadable add ons I would be playing PC games. I dont wont to have to add Hard drive systems etc.
How does Sony stop people with the new content from passing it to there friends via the memory card / Hard drive?

Well bro, you're gonna have to face the reality of the situation. Obviously Polyphony is going to add DLC to GT4 eventually. It just seems that the Ferrari subject is most likely.

 

[Eagle]

Well Apple is making money with iTunes despite P2P programs and file sharing, Sony would be relying on enough people playing by the rules to turn a profit, which is a pretty safe bet really. Consoles are essentially computers with longer lifespans, it makes sense they'd take on some of the best ideas of computers. Downloadable content is one big, positive step. Not everyone has access to the internet, but that doesn't stop PC game developers releasing additions.

 

[ArtaNSX]

I think that by gran turismo 5, Sony will really be pushing to be getting those licenses.

If anyone rememebers Scud Racer, that game featured the F-50 GTR and the McLaren Gulf edition. I am hoping that they will have attained the full licenses to include both the stock and the GT-R racing versions for each of those exotic cars.

As for now, i am pretty happy with what they have, but this kinda prevents it from being the full on racing simulator and virtual car muesuem, which is obviously KY's goal.

 

[slackbladder]

And you know what? EA doesn't own the license. It's BS. Really, it is. EA Holland confirmed it to me. It's just the amount of money you want to pay to the manufactor. If you pay enough, you get the license. EA doesn't own the license, they only have the "right" to make cars in their games lust like Gotham 1 and 2. It is just the matter how much you will pay for the cars.

That's what I thought. Plus I had heard (though it may be false) that Ferrari want some revenue in return from game sales. Sony would never bow to that. But for Sony if Toyota, Nissan, Honda and plenty of other manufacturers are happy not to ask for payment why give in to one or two? Maybe EA have some kind of exclusivity deal going on but no one can really know for sure.Sega are bringing out Outrun on the X-Box which is full of Ferrari's. Did they pay for the privalige?

Also, as someone else mentioned, maybe it is possible to have race cars of Ferraris etc. But only if they are known as Prodrive, etc. Only time will tell I guess.

Oh, Hi btw! Newbie here. Great site...very interesting and informative!

 

[Event]

I'm expecting Ferrari (not the Enzo) and Porsche to be in, along with some others. They had Ferrari's and Porsches at PD testing. The game is set to come out around December, which is after the liscense expires. I hope PD can renew it. This would be an awsome surprise. Plus, if they can't get the lisence, PD can hide all the Ferraris and Porsches within the game, which will give me a reason to buy a sharkport/x-port.

The main reason I think that I think they will make it in is that I had a dream that I was playing GT4 and I was surfing through the car menus and I was looking at Porsche. I hope I have ESP!

 

[Biased turkey]

Yes, it's a little embarassing for a serie named from the French words Grand Tourisme ( did you say Le Mans ) not being able to include 2 legends like Ferrari and Porsche.
I hope PD can secure these 2 brands in the furure.

 

[Lambo88]

IMO, These brands are likely to be in GT4 or in GT5 at the latest because all the other racing games, especially Forza, include or will include them so to stay with the competition, PD need to get them ASAP .

See ya

 

[Dave A]

Gran Turismo is Italian, not French, as for the licensing, being able to include car in a game is licensing, you need a license to do it, and yes EA owns the license to do that, Ferrari have already stated on record that they wan't to be in GT, they also stated that they were reviewing their current license situation with EA to see if they could have their cars represented earlier.

 

[Dave A]

I'm expecting Ferrari (not the Enzo) and Porsche to be in, along with some others. They had Ferrari's and Porsches at PD testing.

Does no one realise that not once, has a Ferrari or Porsche been seen tested by PD, they have been spotted at a couple of track days but not being tested, they have not been seen tested in which case how do you know they were? And do you hav a source to back that up?

 

[Lambo88]

The fact these cars have not been really tested thos times around doesn't mean they were never tested in another occasion that flew below everybody's radar. There were some cars in previous GTs that nobody ever saw being tested but they finally made it.

I'm not usuallly optimistic but this time around, my mind tells me to do so.

See ya

 

[Dave A]

No it doesn't but ever keeps saying they HAVE been tested, and since they haven't been seen tested I'd love to know how they all know. I think theres a chance of them being in, I really hope they are, but I don't like people spinning false info like that because although t's only a small mistake it can create a lot of false specualtion and debates that have no truth ect.

 

[Biased turkey]

Gran Tourismo is Italian, not French, .

Please pay more attention when you read a post. I never said that Gran Turismo is a French word.

 

[Dave A]

You said "it's a little embarassing for a serie named after two French words Grand Tourisme", Gran Turismo is named after the two Italian words Gran and Turismo, I presume the series your referring to is the Gran Turismo series.

 

[pimp racer]

Also, as someone else mentioned, maybe it is possible to have race cars of Ferraris etc. But only if they are known as Prodrive, etc. Only time will tell I guess.

Oh, Hi btw! Newbie here. Great site...very interesting and informative!

I think I said this and why should they be known under "Prodrive" ?

 

[Dave A]

The only Prodrive racing Ferrari is the Prodive 550, all the others would come under a Ferarri license be it included or seperate to the license EA owns. Uless there are ore Ferrari's made in the same way as Prodrives.

 

[MadduckUK]

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[Kangu]

Gran Turismo is Italian, not French, as for the licensing, being able to include car in a game is licensing, you need a license to do it, and yes EA owns the license to do that, Ferrari have already stated on record that they wan't to be in GT, they also stated that they were reviewing their current license situation with EA to see if they could have their cars represented earlier.

When did Ferrari state their desire to be in GT?
It seems I completely missed this, I looked it up in Google but came up empty so maybe you could hook me up with a source?


As for the downloadable content being swaped on memory cards, I wouldn't count on it. Any DLC available is likely to be very large and not fit on a memory card. The only thing you could swap on a MC would be 1 maybe 2 cars. But if they want to make new cars available and mantain compatibility with the online mode they would have to sell them in large (memory wise) 'sets', rather than individually. Otherwise the odds of finding people to race online that also happened to download the car are slim.

 

[pimp racer]

When did Ferrari state their desire to be in GT?
It seems I completely missed this, I looked it up in Google but came up empty so maybe you could hook me up with a source?

Actually I never even had any other source but the folks at GTP stating this and so I just believe it.
( I dont go anywhere except GTP for my Gran Turismo research.

 

[Dave A]

There has been a few interviews where that is talked about but tbh there are soo many to search through now I'm not going to go searching, if I stumble on a link to a source I will post it here though.

 

[pimp racer]

There has been a few interviews where that is talked about but tbh there are soo many to search through now I'm not going to go searching, if I stumble on a link to a source I will post it here though.

Cool thanks but to save myself time I will just the the members at GTP's word.

 

[Anaconda]

I would have loved to test the Enzo out on the track.

 

[ArtaNSX]

what i mean is that the next gran turismo (assuming that PD gets the licenses)...than it can have the stock ferrari/Lambo/McLaren/anything else and the GT versions of each car. since many cars get different versions for racing, then they can include even more. kinda like how theres a denso sard supra and castrol supra and more!
imagine racing in a ferrari against a McLaren like this...

(please bear with the fact that a quick two minute search only allowed me to find toy models of the cars....since it would take a little more to find actual photos....but arent they nice!)

but heres some real ones ...

since i love McLaren, i had to show the McLaren vs Ferrari love....

but yeah...all these cars have appeared at LeMans, so lets hope the best in the future. remember again though, this is all wishful thinking for gt5, so for now ill settle for anything GT4.

 

[TheCracker]

Does no one realise that not once, has a Ferrari or Porsche been seen tested by PD, they have been spotted at a couple of track days but not being tested, they have not been seen tested in which case how do you know they were? And do you hav a source to back that up?

I think all the talk of PD 'testing' Porsches and Ferrari comes from footage on the 'making of GT4' DVD that comes with PAL Prologue. It shows, at one point, PD staff with camcorders looking around a museum with Ferraris in it, it also shows footage of a PD day-out at some japanese test facility, where the game designers were let loose in a variety of different cars, some fast, some slow, mid-engined, AWD, FF, FR etc etc just to see how their handling characteristics differ. The fact that some of these cars were Ferraris and Porsches has confused some people into thinking that this day-out was one of PD's famous and well documented 'data gathering' days where they document every detail of a cars look and sound to be included in the game.

 

[Dave A]

Yesw it has confused them, and ArtaNSX thoes cars are cool, but theres no such thing as a Gulf F50 GT or the F50 GT race car, the only versions were sold as road cars after the race project was scraped and the buyers had to sign forms which forbid them from using them in competition.

 

[Border]

Kazonuri has been quoted on saying that , the reason Gran Turismo hasnt got these cars in is because , the licence money for these makers is way too high , on top of the ones already in the game .
you have to remember a game like GT will burn alot of money making , with all the development in sound , graphics , licence's , photo taking , car hire etc....etc .

You have to ask the question , alot of peeps are gonna buy Gt because they now whats involved . Are more peeps gonna buy GT just because it has these cars in .

The answer is probably not , anyone not buying GT now probably never will , so are they going to regain the extra money spent on these licence's .probably not .

so is it really worth PD spending shed loads of extra money just to have 15 - 20 extra cars in the garage .

We all know how expensive it is to buy a ferrari , how much do you think the licence is going to cost ( coz it wont be a few grand will it )

Who knows , maybe this time we will all be pleasantly surprised , and some of these cars will find there way into GT4 .

One way of getting around this problem is to do what PD did with the porsche licence , get the RUF licence instead . All the above named cars have a sister company who modify the cars the same as RUF do . For example Keonig modify Ferrari's , so it would maybe be more cost effective for PD to approach these instead of ferrari.

if you think of all the sports cars that evryone wants in Gt , the licence bill would be astronomical , before they have even started with the game .
Unfortunately we cant have our cake and eat it , PD do their best and let you have your cake , and give it a good lickin .

All i can say is be happy with what you do get in the finished game , its still gonna be the daddy of all racing games !!!!!!

 

[pimp racer]

what i mean is that the next gran turismo (assuming that PD gets the licenses)...than it can have the stock ferrari/Lambo/McLaren/anything else and the GT versions of each car. since many cars get different versions for racing, then they can include even more. kinda like how theres a denso sard supra and castrol supra and more!
imagine racing in a ferrari against a McLaren like this...

(please bear with the fact that a quick two minute search only allowed me to find toy models of the cars....since it would take a little more to find actual photos....but arent they nice!)

but heres some real ones ...

since i love McLaren, i had to show the McLaren vs Ferrari love....

but yeah...all these cars have appeared at LeMans, so lets hope the best in the future. remember again though, this is all wishful thinking for gt5, so for now ill settle for anything GT4.

Nice pics and welcome to GTP! Enjoy your stay.

 

[zonekill]

I think all the talk of PD 'testing' Porsches and Ferrari comes from footage on the 'making of GT4' DVD that comes with PAL Prologue. It shows, at one point, PD staff with camcorders looking around a museum with Ferraris in it, it also shows footage of a PD day-out at some japanese test facility, where the game designers were let loose in a variety of different cars, some fast, some slow, mid-engined, AWD, FF, FR etc etc just to see how their handling characteristics differ. The fact that some of these cars were Ferraris and Porsches has confused some people into thinking that this day-out was one of PD's famous and well documented 'data gathering' days where they document every detail of a cars look and sound to be included in the game.

Yes it confused us. And that was probably PD plan. And many topics have been started about Ferrari in GT4 in many automotive forums.
Because PD nows that most of us are dying to see and drive Ferraris in GT.

But the question i ask you all and myself is: Why is PD showing the Ferraris so prominently in the making of GT4 DVD? ....... To confuse us? yes.. see this reply

I have the feeling based on 3 facts that Ferrari will be in.
1. As mentioned above, they were in making of vid.

2. i saw a screenhot from PD office from a drawer there was Ferrari written on it.

3.from what i heard on gtplanet the license from EA with Ferrari ends in
november. this off course i didnt see with my own eyes because i dont have
the contract from EA.

And i think Ferrari itself wants to be GT since GT3 but the license didnt allowed them. they were tied up with EA untill november i hope.

 

[McLaren]

Although those Porsche pictures are convincing, I've found other pics with Ferrari in them. EA has had a long relationship with these 3 companys. But it seems EA's contract may be up. Why do they still need them. The NFS series is going to **** with all the import crap. I'm begging you EA, RETURN the NFS SERIES BACK TO THE WAY IT WAS!