What is So good about the 2J?

[Aus GT]

I was wondering why the Chapernal 2J car is so good. I see it alot on GtPlanet. ( i think thats how you spell it)

 

[Gerarghini]

That's because the 2J has the same technology the X1 has; fans (or vacuums) at the rear that literally suck the air out from underneath. This allows for holy amounts of grip in a car from 1970. It's also got quite a bit of speed too.

 

[watermelon punch]

It's the sucker car!
It sticks like glue.

Though not in all circumstances.

The 2d is much better looking.

 

[jgancherjr]

I was wondering why the Chapernal 2J car is so good. I see it alot on GtPlanet. ( i think thats how you spell it)

If you need one let me know, I have the "special" ticket on my: jgancherjr account

 

[Stotty]

The 2J is considered a good car as it's very competitive in performance point limited time trials... it has a huge amount of downforce for it's PPT rating.

Ideally you want one with 'dirty oil' as this makes it even more competitive

 

[r3dnekteddybear]

its light an fast

 

[playnthru]

I was banned for being ahead of it's time (in real life)! In GT5 it still outperforms other cars in it's PP class(for the reasons all ready mentioned). Mostly downforce, but horsepower helps too!👍

 

[Dean]

- It's a rocket, with a good amount of downforce.

 

[Aquarelle]

It's a washing machine with a rocket shoved inside it with a man strapped to the top and a fan glued to the bottom.

What more could you want from a car?

 

[Ranman20]

Its the best Washer Machine ever. Over 500 horse power what more can you ask for?

 

[e30 freek]

Its a door wedge with a rocket strapped to the back and the latest Dyson technology underneath it
What more could you ask for?

 

[Motor City Hami]

I hate the 2J and cannot understand how we are this deep into GT5's existance and PD hasn't updated its PP rating to be more near other cars in the game.

 

[byegad]

It doesn't really suit my driving style. On the right track it's good for me, but boring to drive and there are some tracks where I really can't get on with it at all! I love the 2D so it's not the transmission and has been said above the 2J is light and powerful so it accelerates really well so long as you tune the gearing to the track and get it moving in the first place so the revs are well into the power band.

 

[Ranman20]

I hate the 2J and cannot understand how we are this deep into GT5's existance and PD hasn't updated its PP rating to be more near other cars in the game.

You have no taste. Sorry but you don't.

 

[Tornado]

The main ace in the 2J's hole is the phenomenal low end grip. You can plant the throttle in any turn at any speed and the thing won't slide around because of the 3 speed transmission, which is why it dominates wet weather races so thoroughly. And it also has enough torque that the high gearing doesn't bother it much in outright acceleration. It doesn't handle quite as well as the LMP cars at high speed (and it's really difficult to get a good measure on exactly how well it does handle, too), but because of it's short wheelbase and low weight it is also more nimble at lower speeds in addition to the grip it has. And because all of its downforce comes from active ground effects, drag doesn't have nearly as much of an effect so it's also very good for pure top speed. It will basically just keep accelerating so long as there is room for it to do so, long after all but a handful of LMP cars have run out of steam.



The main drawback is that the nature of the aerodynamics and the very short wheelbase make it pretty unsuitable to any track that is bumpy, and you need to work very hard to keep it from curbs on smooth tracks too so you have to shape your driving style to fit it.

I hate the 2J and cannot understand how we are this deep into GT5's existance and PD hasn't updated its PP rating to be more near other cars in the game.

They did do that...


It perhaps should be bumped up a bit more still, but they have done a lot to equalize it (by making it so the high-RPM turbo actually adds PP instead of takes it away like it originally did, and by bumping up the numbers themselves a bit).

 

[watermelon punch]

They did do that...


It perhaps should be bumped up a bit more still, but they have done a lot to equalize it (by making it so the high-RPM turbo actually adds PP instead of takes it away like it originally did, and by bumping up the numbers themselves a bit).

True enough. It is a tad less of a cheat than it used to be perhaps.
But it definitely is still a bit too good at its PP.
I think PD's problem with this one is that it's an odd car to begin with. Not Japanese. Vintage. Peculiar in type.

 

[Warpa]

It's the sucker car!
It sticks like glue.

Though not in all circumstances.

The 2d is much better looking.

OP, click on the demo of the car if you have one, tells you all about its history.

In the demo mode of the 2J is that a track in game, if so whats it called as i would like to try it

To the quote, is the 2D in game? as it mentions the 2D in the demo guide.

 

[Exorcet]

I think PD's problem with this one is that it's an odd car to begin with. Not Japanese. Vintage. Peculiar in type.

Only so much can be done with a single value PP system. The 2J is going to be better than 99% of cars on tight low speed tracks no matter what unless PD makes the PP so low that the car is not competitive on other tracks.

To the quote, is the 2D in game? as it mentions the 2D in the demo guide.

Yes, there are two Chap's in the game.

 

[Anathema]

The 2J is a dominant factor for certain things, but cannot perform well on certain tracks. I use it for the 750 PP World Circuit Tours Seasonal to make gobs of money, specifically.

 

[PureHeavyMetal]

Because it has a three-speed transmission which can be adjusted to simulate popular three-speed automatics of the 60's and 70's.

Also, the exhaust note is the best in the game.

 

[byegad]

The main drawback is that the nature of the aerodynamics and the very short wheelbase make it pretty unsuitable to any track that is bumpy, and you need to work very hard to keep it from curbs on smooth tracks too so you have to shape your driving style to fit it.

Which is a lot of my problem with some tracks. Wish I'd said this as it encapsulates why I have issues on some tracks.

Remember in reality it got banned after a very, very few races because it was blisteringly fast and threw stones out the back of the fans damaging windscreens, it was only a matter of time before an open cockpit driver got hit. Remember what happened to Massa a couple of years back, when a car in front lost part of a spring? That was initially travelling in the same direction as Massa and slowed until he hit it. Imagine a stone thrown backwards by the fan, hard enough to have lost all of the cars forward momentum. OUCH!

The Brabham BT46 fan car similarly met a ban a few years later, after one race.

 

[TwistyDrift]

Well it's very rare and looks alright for a old car.

 

[Mr Evil]

my friend send me honda civic 97 ticket and after open it i get 2j car.
it is rocket car

 

[Motor City Hami]

You have no taste. Sorry but you don't.

I bet that when you were a kid you built pretend cars out of card board boxes. Probably painted them with flat white house paint and a brush, too. Your taste in cars must have grown from that experience.

 

[Ranman20]

I bet that when you were a kid you built pretend cars out of card board boxes. Probably painted them with flat white house paint and a brush, too. Your taste in cars must have grown from that experience.

You gotta start somewhere. And I started with box cars. My taste has moved 80s/90s le mans protypes and 90s supercars.

 

[IceMan PJN]

I was wondering why the Chapernal 2J car is so good. I see it alot on GtPlanet. ( i think thats how you spell it)

Unless you're lucky, the 2J is the only car with which Bob can win the historic race at Cotex Diaper ("Monaco" in the real world.)

 

[roflcoptor]

Also, the exhaust note is the best in the game.

👍

I enjoy driving it... it's very much a case of "function over style". It'll never win any awards for the way it looks, but the "lazy" 3-speed box and immense grip makes it a great experience, even on the 'ring.

And, "washing machine"...? Not sure about that analogy, it looks more like one of those exterior wallmounted airconditioning units to me.

 

[Polsixe]

"I was wondering why the Chapernal 2J car is so good. I see it alot on GtPlanet. ( i think thats how you spell it)"

It has an artificially low PP number so it can dominate almost any car in the 600-650 pp range. By rights if you look at the power and weight it should be over 700 pp. And the extra downforce from the fans should increase the pp even more. For any other car better downforce increases pp. People whine about skid reduction force but not the 2J's unfair advantage. It's drawback is a low top speed.

 

[Tornado]

It wouldn't be competitive at over 700PP (certainly not 700PP based on the PWR alone), unless you meant over 700 with the big turbo installed. It's not that fast.

 

[fbccars924]

With the right tune I bet it would be a rocket on the 1/4. 3 speeds are still popular on the drag strip in both auto and manual forms as is 2 and 4 speeds.