What is the Best 'Stock" car to use for Trial Mountain Enduro

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Trial Mountain Enduro - The Write-up

I had hoped my PM made it through, but I did run it in the Lancer Evo VI GSR. You have to run smooth laps, but it can be done.

I'm sure you'll get the lot saying the Toyota GT-one car, or the R390 Road car. Both make for a simple race. no competition factor.

i have run it in the R390 road car. it was a 4 or more lap win. Nothing exciting. I've heard it run in a Mustang SVT, and a Nissan Z concept. I attempted it in the Mustang, but had a rather rough go at it.

AO
 
Only if you can't drive. Winning doesn't mean you have to cream the competition.

I'm planning on using an Evo VII prize car that is sitting around my garage. If that doesn't look to be competitive enough in qualifying, I also have a brand new R34 Skyline that will be next up at bat.
 
I gave a go last night with a NSX Zero and qualified in fifth with a time of 1:44 and super slicks. Made me a bit nervous.

THANKS FOR THE ADVICE
 
Yeah, I also have a Nismo 400R I've never driven, but I thought that was a bit much. What did you use, Flyr, or haven't you run it yet?

Tezzell - the NSX Type Zero was also on my list of candidates. I saw your lap time, but how far were you behind the pole? Don't forget the pole sitter usually has an insane pit strategy, so if the gap is not huge you can probably win with your super slicks.
 
He ran a 1:41...also in the NSX Type Zero

I thought my lap was pretty clean but when I saw his time I figured I needed to go back to the garage
 
Take into account that the NSX your facing will run on a likely 7-8 lap pit strategy. And you'll be able to manage a 2 stop strategy. So he's likely to pit 7 more times than you are.

At 23 seconds per pit, he's adding 161 seconds, or 2'41.000 to his time. If we assume that you ran a 1:41 on cold tires, we know your averag time might be a bit faster. So will he though...Remove that constant from the equation.

So we look at him being 4 seconds faster per lap yet dropping 23 seconds every 7.5 laps, that means you'll finish 2'11.00 behind him. Yet on 73 laps, it means you need to make up 1.795 seconds each lap.

So calculations tell us that if you can qualify with a 1:42.205 running clean laps, you can take the win. I'd try running 15 more qualifying laps, and checking your average time for the stint. If it comes up less than 1:42.205 You're golden.

The key section on Trial Mtn that most everybody loses time on it between section one and two (after first tunnel, to entering 3rd tunnel). This is the hardest section of the track.

Good luck, and I think you can do it in the NSX Type Zero.

This is what I went through in preparing for an Enduro.

Keep us posted.

AO
 
Hmmm, 3" a lap x about 75 laps = almost 2.5 minutes loss overall. Probably not winnable by pit strategy at that margin. He'd have to pit about every 5 laps for the difference to be made up.

Take something with a little more leg to it, and make up time on the straights, I guess. Good luck and give us a writeup when you're done!
 
Yeah, but you treed me by a minute and you gave a better answer - so "advantage, Alta!"

Looking at your calcs (much better than my mental shorthand), I see you are right, he probably can win at that margin.

But do you think Tezzell can get away with only 2 pits? I was thinking more like 4 or 5. Bear in mind I have not run this race, so I'm shooting in the dark.
 
Just exited the race after 30 minutes...I was having to pit every seven, he was pitting every 5. I took second by lap 4, was in first after 5, but he quickly regained the lead and was up by 28 seconds when I got out of my Pit and rounded lap 8. I followed this strategy for one more pit and cut his lead back down to 4 seconds but I couldn't get back in front.

My best lap on warmed tires was 1:38....

Good luck when you try this with the NSX Zero...no need for me to run for two hours and lose on paper. Going back to the garage
 
Running Super slicks and you still had to pit every 7 laps?

Some suggestions you might try. What do you have ASM and TCS set at? I usually run ASM=0 and TCS = 0. The TCS setting may give you more spin if you're not used to running without it. Try setting ASM = 0 and TCS = 1 or 2.

This will limit the tire spin, and improve your lap times. Double check your tires in the "Change parts" section of "Settings". Do you have the Super Slicks installed? or were you running something softer?

Maybe I'll take a few runs at this tonight in the NSX Zero and see what I can get for results and times. THen I'll offer more thorough info.

Sorry about wasting 1/2 hour. Delray Sandusk did a write-up of this race as well. He ran a Nismo LM Road car, and managed a win by 15 or seconds.

After checking my write-up, I still think you (Tezzell) can do it in the NSX.

My stats:
Best Lap: 1’38.466
Total Time: 120’37.264
Average Lap: 1’41.933

However I was running a 12 lap pit strategy. I garnered a win by less than 30 seconds. I'm thinking you may want to check your tires.

AO
 
You can also try the Lotus 350. It's fast but not to fast to make it a gross over-match for the other cars in the field. You can run it on super slicks and pit every 12 to 15.
I ran it in the Polyhony digital cup and the only race I ran away from everything on was ssr5. Otherwise it was a good match up. You should win with good pit strategy and running clean laps.
 
You were right, I was in Slicks only...my fault. Giving it another run after lunch and I should be able to get the pit lap to my advantage
 
that's why you should just say no to Slicks.
and i'd use the Evo.
or the 350, if you're good with oversteer.
 
I am using an NSX (one with a transitional color scheme too!). It doesn't handle as well as it could but whatever the competition is easy.
 
This race is easy with the NSX on Racing Slicks.

73 Laps
Average Lap between 1'35 and 1'36
Best Lap: 1'33.697

Pitting after every 8 laps.
Won by 2 3/4 laps

1. NSX Type S Zero (J)
2. Mazda RX-7 Type RZ(J)
3. Supra RZ(J)
4. Skyline GT-R V-spec II(R34,J)
5. Impreza WRX STi(J)
6. Lancer Evolution VII RS(J)
 
I did it in a :ruf: which did take time :clock:

Popular choices would be :toyota: GT1 Road Car, :nissan: R390 Road Car, :aston:, :lotus:350, :jaguar:XJ220 Road Car, :honda: NSX...
 
Tezzell:

Do you happen to have an update? I'm interested to see what you did run it in.

After our conversation on Friday, I put a few laps in and came up with this short essay, and description.

NSX Type S Zero.

Oil change, Waxing, and Super slicks.

VS.
NSX Type S Zero
Skyline Vspec 2 R32
Mazda RX-7 RZ
Supra RZ
Lancer Evo VII GSR

Qualifying:

I jumped in the NSX and took it for a qualifier. On my first lap I ran a 1’37.348. On cold tires. I think a few pointers may be in order for Tezzell. I was 1.088 faster than the other NSX. Shortly thereafter, the other NSX qualified with a 1’37.311. 0.037 faster than me.

Second qualifying lap was horrendous. Could barely keep the car on the road in the first section. Ran a 1’40.521

Third lap 1’38.722

Fourth and fifth lap were in the 1’38 range,

Lap 6 was 1’36.670

Lap 7 was 1’37.250

Lap 8 was my final qualifier. As I ran a 1’35.778. I did not take the pole, due to the best lap by the AI NSX was a 1’35.759. a Difference of 0.019.

The Line up looked like this:
NSX Type Zero: 1’35.759 (AI)
NSX Type Zero: 1’35.778 (Me)
Supra RZ: 1’40.342
Mazda RX-7 RZ: 1’41.188
Skyline Vspec 2 R32: 1’41.673
Lancer Evo VII GSR: 1’42.784

The Skyline and the NSX are both running a five lap pit strategy. I believe you can run a 10-12 lap schedule with out much trouble.

Hints
The Tire squeal is a dead giveaway. If your tires are squealing, you’re losing speed. When the cars are this closely powered, any drop in speed is significant. With a 28 second advantage every 10 laps, and even powered cars, any dip in lap times can be a problem.

Breakdown
I ran the first section Hills in 4th gear, slowing and down shifting to third to enter the First tunnel. I dropped another gear to second to exit the tunnel. Always trying to keep the engine rev’d high. After hanging the right hander around the Rock out crop, I was back up in third gear and accelerating hard towards the second tunnel. I sometimes would have to shift back down to second gear for a moment after this next right hand bend. Enter the tunnel in third gear, taking a moment to stab the brakes. Full throttle into the third tunnel, and move up through the gears along the flat, and up over the hill. I would shift down as far as second for the green monster. Kicking the backend out slightly really helped in taking this corner. Moving back up through 3rd gear to the top of the hill. This next corner, a right hander, is a tricky one. A split second before peaking the hill, you need to stab the brakes, hit full right lock, and smoothly get back on the accelerator. Brake the backend loose in taking the next left hander at the bottom of the hill. The sooner you get the NSX to accelerate out of this corner the better. As it is tantamount for your run across the finish and into your next lap. Smooth through the Free jack chicane, and cross the finish line. You want to cross the finish line in the middle of the track, as you should work towards the track from left to right, from the Freejack chicane, to just before the first corner in the hills.

I didn't have time to race the enduro, but I hope this info helps. This is one race, that I'll do after reaching 100%. In about two-three months. (Currently standing at 87.9%)

Any questions feel free to ask.

AO
 
It's been a long time since i did that race. I think I used one of the NSX's..

If you want a very easy win, you can use the Jaguar XJ 220 (Too easy if you ask me.. :P)
(I'm not sure I got the Jaguar name right, so flame me if you want to..:D)
 
Good analysis Der Alta ...

My lap times are still in the 1:39's to 1:42's in the NSX Zero with super-slicks. I just can't compete with the AI with this car and my sketchy driving skills in the NSX.

Ended up bailing on a competeive race and just getting this over with in the GT-one. I knocked out four endurance races this past weekend to finish up the series and since I didn't get the car I wanted from Trial Mountain, I'll race it again in a few weeks.

I need to work on racing with super-slicks to get those first few laps better until they warm-up. That is where I am having the most trouble
 
I used the :aston: Vanquish. Found the competition quite tough initially, but then once firmly in the lead, the AI cars seemed to give up, and I was taking heaps of time off them.
 
I just re run this enduro this weekend
the first time i did it i think i used the viper concept or the corvet z06 but that was ages ago when all i really cared about was winning (that is without risking not to win)
this time i used the nsx type r with oil change and super slicks

the competion was:

Skyline Vspec 2 R34
Mazda RX-7 RZ
Supra RZ
Lancer Evo VII GSR
Impreza sti

i only managed second in the qualifying with the skyline coming first (using softer tyres i guess)
i had some trouble with the cold tyres in the beggining but managed to stay second for a while (there was no way i could keep up with the skyline) Then the skyline pitted on lap 5 and i jumped tpo the lead followed closely by the rx-7 and the supra.
I went through a period of very reckless driving and went down to 3rd for a whilebut managed to get back to first before the first pit stop. the rx7 pitted on lap 21 or 22 and i did the same on lap 23 and managed to stay ahead 8-10 secs. by this time the supra which hadnt pitted yet had misteriously lost a lot of time (maybe due to the conditon of its tyres?) and the only competion was from the rx7 which sometimes showed in my rearview mirror- yes, i had some trouble keeping a regular lap time but i must add i was using the df wheel and im not very used to it yet. Funny enough i was forced to let the skyline pass me whenever it came behind me after pitting but in the end i managed to win by a 20+ sec over the rx7
it was a very fun race to drive and yes it is much more interesting when you dont have a huge advantage over the competition and since this is a «time race» thre's no advantage in using a really fast car :)
 

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