What is wrong with the Lamborghini Murcielago in this game?

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7HO
Actually in this conversation it can't be ignored, the physics on standard cars is not realistic and not comparable to the premiums. I haven't driven a standard car in the game that handles realistically. The '71 Charger SuperBee is a prime example, almost no body roll, you can throw it into a corner as hard as you like and power oversteer your way through it, it just takes everything you throw at it with ease and never bites you, it is nothing like the real thing.
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Waaiiiiit a second. This is the first time I heard that the standards differ from the premiums in terms of physics as well. I thought it was only visual? Can anybody else confirm this?

I cannot believe this, as the standard cars run on the same physics engine as the premiums. The only possibility is that the premium cars have more data or more accurate data entered into the game so they behave more life-like.

Again, can anybody confirm this statement? :nervous:
 
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Waaiiiiit a second. This is the first time I heard that the standards differ from the premiums in terms of physics as well. I thought it was only visual? Can anybody else confirm this?

I cannot believe this, as the standard cars run on the same physics engine as the premiums. The only possibility is that the premium cars have more data or more accurate data entered into the game so they behave more life-like.

Again, can anybody confirm this statement? :nervous:
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I have 2 versions of the same car, one is Standard and the other is Premium. They drive the exact same.
 
That would be absolutely stupid to have a separate physics engine for standards - if so then how is it possible to merge the two physics engines together in a race with both tiers? Aside from the fact it would require more hardware, I am sure we would see a whole lot of glitches when cars of different tiers interact.
 
I don't think they have different physics engines, it's just that the standard models I have driven drive very similar to the original title they were ported from and are not as realistic as the new Premiums I have driven. They have not been modelled as accurately as the Premiums, others have posted the same observation.

Standards drive like an improved version of the classic model, all the official talk suggests that's exactly what they are, an upgraded port. I have no doubt they didn't remodel the cars otherwise they would have created Premiums out of them so it's not just a case of pixels in my experience, they are not accurately modelled, they are not realistic and feel arcade in comparison and easier to drive than premiums. It seems silly to include them because all other things being equal they have an advantage to Premiums in a race. Other people feel the same way.
 
I see what people are saying about the Murcielago. In the Grand Tour its nearly undriveable, it took everything I had just to come in 5th there (the fact you cant see an f'ing thing didn't help either). I used my Chrome Line for the Lamborghini race and on the standard tires its squirrelly but I put sports soft tires on it and it ran really well as long as you paid attention and had a delicate touch. It has plenty of grip and drives great up to the limit... the problem is once you cross that limit it will bite you in the ass.
 
7HO
I don't think they have different physics engines, it's just that the standard models I have driven drive very similar to the original title they were ported from and are not as realistic as the new Premiums I have driven. They have not been modelled as accurately as the Premiums, others have posted the same observation.

Standards drive like an improved version of the classic model, all the official talk suggests that's exactly what they are, an upgraded port. I have no doubt they didn't remodel the cars otherwise they would have created Premiums out of them so it's not just a case of pixels in my experience, they are not accurately modelled, they are not realistic and feel arcade in comparison and easier to drive than premiums. It seems silly to include them because all other things being equal they have an advantage to Premiums in a race. Other people feel the same way.
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I find quite the opposite. Sorry, but they do not act like they did in previous games.

For starters, they couldn't do burnouts and donuts in previous games - now they can.
 
Tried many different setting, bought new tyres, lightened it and finally getting the Beast under . With some tuning I've managed to outrun ZR1s and Zonda Rs. This is Chromline btw
 
I love my chromeline Murcielago...haven't done anything to it yet, because I don't want to ruin it. I've come to realise I'd terrible at tuning cars.
 
First Post so: Hi Guys!

So then, let me enlighten you what happened to the Lambo:

It's not that the way it drives is "wrong" its just not the way of the ACTUAL Murcielago. The "Old" Murcielago been exactly like the lp640 in GT5. But Audi fixed it with the actual lp640. As you see they actually just didn't "update" it, exept of optics...
 
I thought the LP640 drove really nicely actually, one of the best cars in the game.

I'm using a G25 wheel, and the sensations and feedback were spot on.

One thing I didn't like though was the default tyres. It's MUCH better and feelsome with road soft tyres, rather than racing hard.

OK, it's slower, but it feels more like it should.

I've driven an LP640 in real life on track, in the damp a bit at times too. It did have oodles of grip, but it clearly had oodles of power too, and a big engine braking torque!

Have the revs high and you have to be smooth with on/off throttle...

I think PD have got the sounds, looks and sensations of the LP640 perfect really. If they can achieve this feel of quality on all the higher end cars I'll be happy :D



The Elise on the TG track though, hmmmmm... neutral throttle turn in, oversteer. Power turn in, oversteer, trailing throttle turn in, oversteer. Oversteer oversteer oversteer. Silly.

Dave
 
Ok. Since I see that a lot of people have problems with the murcielago in this game, I'll show some tuning values that I use and at least for me they are very good. The setup you will see here can also be used to any other car (with small tweaks). This is perfected for the LP 670-4 SV but as I said it can be used for other cars also, especially for the normal murcielago or gallardo.
Ok, first you'll need to buy the following:
The wing upgrade from GT AUTO, all the drivetrain upgrades (twin plate clutch and semi racing flywheel), the fully customisable suspension kit and a set of racing medium tyres (weight reduction would help a bit so buy some stages if you like). All those (without the weight reduction) cost 91000 cr. which can be easily achieved with 5 wins in the daytona race of the professional supercar challenge.
Ok, now to the actual tuning (after you have bought the previous upgrades of course)

Downforce: (only rear is customisable even if you put all body upgrades so you need only the wing) 18



Limited Slip Differential (same values for both rear and front)
Initial Torque: 6
Accelaration Sensitivity: 30
Braking Sensitivity: 30



Torque Distribution (this is a matter of liking. I like the following and it also aplies to 4WD cars)
10 Front - 90 Rear (basically a rear wheel drive car)



Suspension
Ride Height:...................-20 Front_______-12 Rear
Spring Rate:...................16.0 Front______12.0 Rear
Dampers (extension):.......7 Front_________4 Rear
Dampers (compression):....4 Front_________2 Rear
Anti Roll Bars:..................7 Front_________3 Rear
Camber Angle (-):.............6.0 Front_______3.0 Rear
Toe Angle:.......................0.40 Front______0.70 Rear



Brakes (again a matter of liking. I like them this way)
10 Front - 4 Rear
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Try this setup and tell me what you thing. Of course this might not be the BEST setup but it works. If anyone has something better please inform me.

Hope this works for everyone.
Andrew.
 
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Guys, used my chromeline LP-640 and it has won 28 races for me so far... at first YES hard to control but I've mastered this thing now and know exactly how to play the accel throttle with it. Needless to say its my biatch now... keep practicing, every car in this game is different, I wont deny its one of the hardest but at the same time, I dont think its far from the real car. Brake smoothly and early before a turn and hold an accel point through the corner, accel to early out of the corner and you'll spin out of control but hold it nicely and accell hard right at the end of exit and you'll be loving this car like I am - Its perfect ;)

Good luck
 
Has anyone throughout this discussion considered the fact that PD do not setup the suspension of the cars at all (it does not seem that way anyway, no car on sale has any camber etc)? All cars come with generic suspension and while there may be quite a few cars that are off the mark, I think you should get custom suspension and apply the correct settings before making a final judgment.
 
katsaroulhs
Ok. Since I see that a lot of people have problems with the murcielago in this game, I'll show some tuning values that I use and at least for me they are very good. The setup you will see here can also be used to any other car (with small tweaks). This is perfected for the LP 670-4 SV but as I said it can be used for other cars also, especially for the normal murcielago or gallardo.
Ok, first you'll need to buy the following:
The wing upgrade from GT AUTO, all the drivetrain upgrades (twin plate clutch and semi racing flywheel), the fully customisable suspension kit and a set of racing medium tyres (weight reduction would help a bit so buy some stages if you like). All those (without the weight reduction) cost 91000 cr. which can be easily achieved with 5 wins in the daytona race of the professional supercar challenge.
Ok, now to the actual tuning (after you have bought the previous upgrades of course)

Downforce: (only rear is customisable even if you put all body upgrades so you need only the wing) 18



Limited Slip Differential (same values for both rear and front)
Initial Torque: 6
Accelaration Sensitivity: 30
Braking Sensitivity: 30



Torque Distribution (this is a matter of liking. I like the following and it also aplies to 4WD cars)
10 Front - 90 Rear (basically a rear wheel drive car)



Suspension
Ride Height:...................-20 Front_______-12 Rear
Spring Rate:...................16.0 Front______12.0 Rear
Dampers (extension):.......7 Front_________4 Rear
Dampers (compression):....4 Front_________2 Rear
Anti Roll Bars:..................7 Front_________3 Rear
Camber Angle (-):.............6.0 Front_______3.0 Rear
Toe Angle:.......................0.40 Front______0.70 Rear



Brakes (again a matter of liking. I like them this way)
10 Front - 4 Rear
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Try this setup and tell me what you thing. Of course this might not be the BEST setup but it works. If anyone has something better please inform me.

Hope this works for everyone.
Andrew.
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A small update, I think the car handles better if the torque distribution is 40 front and 60 rear.
 
From my experienve of driving the LP640 in GT5, it conforms to alot of the stuff I've read about it. Largley that it's very easy to drive until you get to the limits then it takes no prisoners, and requires very very very skillfull driving to hold/correct slides smoothly.
 
Duffers917K
From my experienve of driving the LP640 in GT5, it conforms to alot of the stuff I've read about it. Largley that it's very easy to drive until you get to the limits then it takes no prisoners, and requires very very very skillfull driving to hold/correct slides smoothly.
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What do you know?
Do you own one?
 
TECHNIKRS4
What do you know?
Do you own one?
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Seriously, my vote is to ban you for thinking up such a direct and rude comment over a simple statement that guy made.

How old are you, thats my question?

And to be precise, the comment he has made is very true. Its definetly hard to drive the LP-640 at its limit based on quotes from J Clarkson and other material e.g. magazines.

So stop being an idiot :grumpy:
 
TECHNIKRS4
What do you know?
Do you own one?
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Which part of 'it conforms to alot of the stuff I've read about it' don't you understand?
 
If you think the Murcielago doesn't behave like a real one, and you actually have access to a real one, try stripping that powerful traction control your real one has. Lessee if you still think the same :D
 
Abriael
If you think the Murcielago doesn't behave like a real one, and you actually have access to a real one, try stripping that powerful traction control your real one has. Lessee if you still think the same :D
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Amen :cheers:

4WD Turbo with over 800HP fully tuned in a 1300kg body. You make a mistake in that and goodbye and see you later.

Tip
Brake Early
Start with just turning with none to very little acceleration
On the exit once you are dead straight, plant that heavy foot of yours

Once you get a bit more confidence, you will be able to accelerate earlier out of the corner, learn the basics and you will fall in love with this car like me.

Bellisimo 👍
 
Duffers917K
From my experienve of driving the LP640 in GT5, it conforms to alot of the stuff I've read about it. Largley that it's very easy to drive until you get to the limits then it takes no prisoners, and requires very very very skillfull driving to hold/correct slides smoothly.
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Absolutely correct!! I drive mine (stock except for power) on comfort softs and its ok till you reach the limits of adhesion.But it can be taken at 9/10ths once you know the car well.I find the lp640 is more predictable with the aids off(except ABS) and actually ALOT of fun.So much so that its my main car.I believe most people complain because they dont use a wheel or havent had MANY laps to understand the car.

And oversteerin,why do you assume everyone is a kid? yes some questions are repititive but really! just a question,not a doubt or whatever!
 
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it may be dificult to drive, but mastering the lp640 in that toscana tarmac special evant is one of the greatest feelings this game has to offer, side by side with the nurb rain special event with abs off.
if you are using a weel it feels so smooth and natural. driving nirvana
 

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