What is wrong with the Lamborghini Murcielago in this game?

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Jason_Hall
Has anybody and the original poster drove the car for real?
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Well, if you read my OP, I have quite a bit of seat time in a base murcielago, which is close enough in dynamic feel to compare. So, yes. And no, it does NOT drive like that in real life, thankfully. Lamborghini is probably going to pull the license back for the next Gran Turismo now, lol.
 
Oversteerin'
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Whether it's a lack of proper programming time on certain cars, or bugs/anomalies in the physics engine, I hope that future patches will address at least some of these issues, because it really detracts from the experience in this game when you spend hard earned money on a car that is just not up to snuff.
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I hope so to. Not having driven any exotics in real life, I have to rely on people such as yourself to provide real life opinions for comparison. I would wager, however, if I were driving an exotic, I doubt I would be "pushing" it the way I do in GT5. I'm sure I would be using kid gloves when handing a car of that caliber. So even if I had actual seat time, I still wouldn't be able to give a credible opinion unless I was taking these cars out to the track.
 
Oversteerin'
Well, if you read my OP, I have quite a bit of seat time in a base murcielago, which is close enough in dynamic feel to compare. So, yes. And no, it does NOT drive like that in real life, thankfully. Lamborghini is probably going to pull the license back for the next Gran Turismo now, lol.
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But did you drive it at the kind of speeds that you're driving in the game?
 
Dragon_HKS
maybe its just the chromeline, i cannot tame my chromline, all AIDS off with ABS 1 , driving this at daytona = suicide, i cannot even finish the race!!!

I turned on ALL AIDS to win the lambo event using the chromline lp640, i had no choice, even with the aids it handles like a tank and slides weirdly.. lol
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I'm surprised about all this talk about the Lambo. I think it really has to do with your driving style. Some people are good with RWD cars while others have trouble controlling them so they prefer a AWD. The Lambo feels like a cross between the two. My chromeline Murci is my most used car. I keep ABS on 1 and TC on 1. It handles very well for my driving style. It doesn't "stick" at all but I found it to be very controllable. Now the Elise on the other hand....👎
 
PaMu1337
But did you drive it at the kind of speeds that you're driving in the game?
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While I have not driven that particular car on track, I have driven many other exotics (Ferrari 360, Ferrari 430, Porsche 911 GT3 & 911 Turbo, Ford GT, etc.) on track, and have driven the murcielago hard enough on local backroads to form an accurate opinion of how the car behaves. If anything, it understeers a bit for my taste. Come into a corner a little hot, and it understeers and pushes wide.

Get on the gas too hard coming out of a tight corner, and the tail will wag, but because of the AWD system, it's surprisingly tame and easy to control. It's not a hard car to drive, it's really not. My only real complaint with the car is that visibility out the back isn't very good. That, and they are a little finicky in terms of mechanical reliability.

The Gallardo, on the other hand, is built under the new(ish) audi partnership, so it's basically a more exotic version of the R8, and a much better built car than the murci because of this. Despite this, I still like the murci better because it feels more like a lamborghini to me. Anyway, I'm getting off topic now. I hope that answered your question.
 
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Yea when I did the night race thing in the Grand Tour special in the Murcie, I was like wow this car is insane. Had to turn on the driving line just to get bronze and it still took me several tries.
 
These cars that just swap ends in long easy corners are one of GT's problems. I almost consider these occurrences as being anomalies in the physics engine, as it is instinctively obvious that no car is going to swap ends doing 100mph with about 10-15 degrees of steering angle applied.

The elise is a good example as no car of that power is utilising anything like the total rear grip available whilst accelerating at a higher speed, therefore applying a bit of lateral force certainly won't push the tires past their limit and cause the oft-seen pirouette.
 
My biggest irk with the Super Veloce is how twitchy it gets under heavy braking, especially from 6th to 2nd. I've tried stiffening up the fronts, redirecting the braking force to the rear, better tires, braking in a straight line, pumping the brakes, etc. It helps some of the times but there are times where it just goes buck wild and spins out.
 
Oversteerin'
While I have not driven that particular car on track, I have driven many other exotics (Ferrari 360, Ferrari 430, Porsche 911 GT3 & 911 Turbo, Ford GT, etc.) on track, and have driven the murcielago hard enough on local backroads to form an accurate opinion of how the car behaves. If anything, it understeers a bit for my taste. Come into a corner a little hot, and it understeers and pushes wide.

Get on the gas too hard coming out of a tight corner, and the tail will wag, but because of the AWD system, it's surprisingly tame and easy to control. It's not a hard car to drive, it's really not. My only real complaint with the car is that visibility out the back isn't very good. That, and they are a little finicky in terms of mechanical reliability.

The Gallardo, on the other hand, is built under the new(ish) audi partnership, so it's basically a more exotic version of the R8, and a much better built car than the murci because of this. Despite this, I still like the murci better because it feels more like a lamborghini to me. Anyway, I'm getting off topic now. I hope that answered your question.
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Have to correct you, R8 V10 is basically a Gallardo with uglier and cheaper design, not the other way around.
 
FaLLeNAn9eL
My biggest irk with the Super Veloce is how twitchy it gets under heavy braking, especially from 6th to 2nd. I've tried stiffening up the fronts, redirecting the braking force to the rear, better tires, braking in a straight line, pumping the brakes, etc. It helps some of the times but there are times where it just goes buck wild and spins out.
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Press the brake a bit earlier and gentler to start with to lose a little bit of the speed that is probably causing the rear to come around, then you can slam it down and probably lose the rest of it without ending up in an irretrievable spin.

If you are running down through the gears fast as well to try to use the engine braking that might make the back end a bit looser than it needs to be.
 
I have been wondering what was really going on when I hit that Tour in Special events. Driving that Lambo at night was total terror, not only couldn't I see the road, my car felt like it was MR and not all wheel drive. I suspect a bug in the Lamborghini Murcielago's algorithms or possibly the LSD stock setting is off as the car will have lift throttle oversteer and for an AWD that should only be possible if you shift most of the power to the rear and LSD is set to lock quickly under decel. I will buy one and tinker with it, right now I am still saving up for my S7, whenever that car decides to show up.

The lotus seems to handle similarly, but the lotus by nature is a little squirrely. It's a short car and mid engined to boot, that is a recipe for agile turn in, but you need good throttle control to keep it pointed in the right direction.

While GT5 is close to a sim, PD have dialed back the physics thankfully if they didn't you'd barely be able to drive any of the high powered cars without aids at all. Half the ridiculous things you do in game, you wouldn't even attempt in real life, like going full throttle out of a corner in something like a ZR1. Perish the thought that GT5 is a full sim, it's close to real life as we can get all without being too real. I came to this after zipping around with the McLaren F1, all aids off save for 1 on ABS this car is light and suprisingly well planted, but without careful throttle input coming out of corners you'd swap ends very often. The murcielago thing is very weird and more than likely a bug in that vehicle's data, who has one install full custom LSD and then see if the car behaves more like the other Murcielago.
Press the brake a bit earlier and gentler to start with to lose a little bit of the speed that is probably causing the rear to come around, then you can slam it down and probably lose the rest of it without ending up in an irretrievable spin.

If you are running down through the gears fast as well to try to use the engine braking that might make the back end a bit looser than it needs to be.
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Try to not engine brake, that will upset the car more often that not, thing is you either have to gradually increase brake pressure, earlier braking or let off the gas prior to applying the brake. Check your spring rates at the rear as if it's too high you are getting too much weight shifting to the front of the car. Remember not all cars will handle as you expect them to, especially since there are little of us who have actually driven cars this hard in real life, let alone hopping into one of those exotics and doing the same.
 
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Well...

It's a Lamborghini, its MR, it got tons of power, it's got the name of a killer bull.

What are you expecting? A hug? It WILL try to kill you. It's a Lambo! Turn the aids on...

I'm all about being a "real man" and disabling aids too. But 2 cars made me turn it on in GT4... 787B and GT-ONE.

Maybe it's the case with the Lambo?
 
SavageEvil
I will buy one and tinker with it, right now I am still saving up for my S7, whenever that car decides to show up.

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At this point, i had to go back and read it again,to realize you were talking about the game... "i will buy one lambo just to see if this game feels real" hahaha funny. :)
 
One thing people seem to forget is that Lambos are not race cars or anything more than flashy toys for the uber rich. While they are labeled as a performance car, its always been a raw performance (that Audi has recently tried to tune) type of car.

That being said I was shocked at how difficult they are to drive in GT5. The Gallardo under braking is insanely unstable (though on the gas it's just fine). The Murcielago is simply crazy, but then again it is a big and rather bloated car. ALl of the Lambos under steer like crazy, more so than normal in GT5.

It's a challenge to drive them and entertaining but I still like the lotus Elise for a challenge better... and for a true performance Italian car...give me the Scuderia red ones please. Lambos are simply toys.
 
Mr Turismo
At this point, i had to go back and read it again,to realize you were talking about the game... "i will buy one lambo just to see if this game feels real" hahaha funny. :)
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I wish i had that kind of money laying around i would grab an S7TT and a Murcielago, just to have to look at, because driving them might get me killed out here in NYC. :sly:
 
Ch0zander
Have to correct you, R8 V10 is basically a Gallardo with uglier and cheaper design, not the other way around.
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How is that correcting anything that I said? I said that the (essentially Audi-built) Lamborghini Gallardo has a higher build quality than the murcielago, which is undisputably true. Nowhere did I say that the R8 was nicer than the Gallardo. Please learn to read, thanks.
 
I literally just finished the AMG race with that lambo and wow was it a challenge to keep that thing under control. I'm lucky I didn't but that car because I almost grabbed it instead of the F458 Italia.
 
I just literally finished the special event night race with that lambo. It was so hard to control that thing through the corners. I hit a high speed straight up a small hill and once over the hill the whole thing went out of control when I tried to correct it just a tiny bit. I'm lucky I decided to buy a F458 Italia over this thing...
 
HKA-BlackLava
I had been driving the 458 Italia (which is amazing) and then switched to the LP-460 Chrome Line and was amazed at how much harder it was to drive. My guess for the significant difference was the increased power, size and weight of the Lambo. Snap oversteer under breaking makes sense due to the weight (3671 vs. 3042). (Sport Hard tires for both)
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Interesting, in Auto Week this month there is a Murci vs. 458 comparison... I was shocked to read the Lambo was lighter and faster 0-60-100 times and better breaking... I too am accustomed to lambo's being heavy wedges...
 
The big Lambo 'feels' like it has a weight shift issue. I haven't tried yet, but my gut says stiffer dampener settings and a few tweaks to the LSD should cure the issue.

In the meantime, brake in a straight line and downshift WAYYY to quick to keep the rear settled. It may slide a bit, but the skid will be much more manageable than normal trail braking morphing into tailspin.
 
The chrome version is hopeless without the driving aids on, was one of the first cars i drove when i got the game and i'm glad that all the cars didnt turn out that way, as the BMW M3 chrome is also very similar.
 
Well I have no probs with my Chromline Murci.
Its full tuned and I drive it without TCS/ASM just ABS=1.
You must find the best Suspension Settings and LSD/"torque distribution"-Thing.
I did a few Tests on different Tracks (Trial Mountain, Deep Forest
If you motor-brake the back will move, but if you just brake and downshift late you will have a "neutral"-back (it will always move a bit).
The SLS on the other hand is just "overpowerd" (see the S-License test where you drive it with soft sport Tyres) in my opinion.

PS i play with the Dualshock3
 
Didn't Clarkson on his review of the Murc LP640 say that this thing will bite your head off if you try to push it to the limit...just going off that it's safe to say the Murcielago is supposed to be a beast to handle...
 
People miss the point with the LSD/Suspension settings.

You dont buy a crazy expensive supercar in real life and then go, right... time to buy new suspension, lsd and adjust all the settings!
 
The R8 V10 is also one of my favourite cars. It handles very well and is reasonably fast.

My Super Velocé is also very good. Extra aero parts in GT Auto (They do actually make a lot of difference), lowered ride height very slightly, racing soft tyres and Body rigidity improvement (Under Engine & chassis). Handles very well. No twitchiness, except when I have occasionally gone round a corner on the Nurburgring too fast and it touches grass, as with any other car.
 
Oversteerin'
Lol, yeah I forgot about that one. Granted, if you look at the driving options menu before starting that race, you'll see that it has "comfort tires" on, but my god, even the worst econo tires in the world don't feel like that. The car may as well have ice skates on:confused:.
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I want your job so bad man just to be around the pedigree of lambos blows me away my brother owns a gt3 and i love being around that when i can but to be around lambos.ect everyday what a job
 

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