What manufacturer(s) would you want to join F1?

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Gimme the brand and the name of the team.

Like my list:

1-Audi: Auto Union F1
2-Cadillac: Cadillac F1
3-Corvette: Pratt/Miller Chevrolet
4-Porsche: Porsche Racing
5-Lamborghini: Automobili Lamborghini F1
 
I would say Chevrolet, but I think they would become the next Toyota.

It would be nice if Audi would join their competitors Mercedes and BMW.
 
Lotus & Porsche.

I don't see why there will be a USA F1 team ever. America is probably the only country in the world where most people have no clue who Schumi is.
 
- Prodrive - Aston Martin! Great legend like Ferrari
- Chevrolet just to increase america's vote in F1
or Dodge just to increase america's vote in F1
or Ford just to increase america's vote in F1
- Porsche

But what i really want is a teams like sauber,minardi,jordan etc with support of one of these car manufacturers!
 
I'd like to see Volkswagen Auto Group source an F1 team.


... If only to hear the announcers say, "Jarno's in the VAG."
 
Nissan. I mean F1 has really missed the "big 3" Japanese auto maker there. There is Honda, Toyota, and what, no Nissan? Give me a break...... :grumpy:

Also it would be cool to see Lotus back in F1 (maybe even under the Proton name.... :eek:) as well as Maserati, Alfa Romeo and even Peugeot making a comeback into F1. But still, I wonder what engine Prodrive would use next year....... :D
 
Nissan won't be in F1 as long as Renault is there. The most reasonable would be VAG via either Porsche or Audi.
 
Oh wow, I am surprised no one mentioned Mazda... Rotary powered F1 maybe? :p
Anyway I too would like to see more manufacturers in F1, though most of you already said the manufacturers I would have said lol
Maybe the more "free" engine type rules coming in the future will make more manufacturers give F1 another look, since they will be able to put a engine that shows their heritage, such as a Boxer motor for Porsche and Subaru, Wankels for Mazda, V8's for the US brands, and V12's in the Italians. :sly:
 
Its interesting that you say that. It would be interesting how F1 would be in a few years time.....
 
Venom800tt
Maybe the more "free" engine type rules coming in the future
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What, with engines homologated and frozen until at least the end of 2009 and future rules not yet specified but likely to be heavily restricted because development of the combustion engine is pretty much deemed pointless by society these days?
 
Rocket Punch
Lotus & Porsche.

I don't see why there will be a USA F1 team ever. America is probably the only country in the world where most people have no clue who Schumi is.
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Sad but true. But 200,000 show up on given weekend to watch guys in crude cars turning LEFT, LEFT, LEFT...
They're are a few, sitting in the wee hours, eyes glued to TV watching the best drivers on earth.
OT, Ford/Cosworth, a dream yes...
 
There have already been American F1 teams in the past:

Anglo American Racers (Eagle)
Haas
Jaguar (owned by Ford)
Kurtis Kraft
Parnelli
Penske
Scarab
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No reason why there won't be in the future.
 
TheCracker
There have already been American F1 teams in the past:

Anglo American Racers (Eagle)
Haas
Jaguar (owned by Ford)
Kurtis Kraft
Parnelli
Penske
Scarab
Shadow

No reason why there won't be in the future.
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Sad lack of interest, I'm afraid. IRL/Champ Car merger SNAFU. Dannica Patrick (girl). Ovals/ Top speed rule here. INDY cars @ 225mph, but no turns? NO THANKS.
 
I'd like to see Alfa Romeo re-enter F1. They have one of the best motor racing pedigrees of any manafacturer today and it's a shame to see they're only real efforts going into touring cars. Being owned by Fiat would be an advantage, but I can imagine the budgets being used between Ferrari and Alfa would be extremely marginal. Then again Alfa could even be a Ferrari B-Team, who knows.

It's extremely unrealistic to think they would even consider entering. However if they did I would be an Alfa fan all the way, I like the idea of there being an Italian constructor other then Ferrari, especially an underdog sort. 👍
 
Either Alfa, VW, Nissan, or Toyota (wait, they're here? *looks way down the results lists* Oh, they are!). What if Vector fielded a team?

Lotus or Aston Martin returning would be awesome too.
 
mustang245
Sad but true. But 200,000 show up on given weekend to watch guys in crude cars turning LEFT, LEFT, LEFT...
They're are a few, sitting in the wee hours, eyes glued to TV watching the best drivers on earth.
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LOL. Seriously? Crude cars, probably but that's the way the sport is. As for the best drivers, I would look at former Formula 1 drivers like Montoya and Villeneuve and former CART drivers like Franchitti and Carpentier, who're having a HARD time right now... barely qualifying.

It isn't as easy as it seems. Furthermore, there has been a better pool of drivers in F1. Massa for instance, he's just one of those "Video Game driver". He's yet to prove us that he's worthy of driving a Ferrari instead of Alonso.
 
Venom800tt
Oh wow, I am surprised no one mentioned Mazda... Rotary powered F1 maybe? :p
Anyway I too would like to see more manufacturers in F1, though most of you already said the manufacturers I would have said lol
Maybe the more "free" engine type rules coming in the future will make more manufacturers give F1 another look, since they will be able to put a engine that shows their heritage, such as a Boxer motor for Porsche and Subaru, Wankels for Mazda, V8's for the US brands, and V12's in the Italians. :sly:
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Don't think there will ever be a Rotory F1 and I don't even see a point in it, except for so Mazda can kept saying "we are cool cause we have a rotoy car (....that does 14mpg)".

I like the free engine rule and the way to make that work is by imposing a "fixed fuel" per race rule. teams can use whatever engine layout and fuel they want as long as they only use a certain amount of fuel in one race without refuel. I think this will help accelerate and migrate some fuel saving technology for more efficient road cars.
 
Frankly, I don't give a damn about Manufacturers. I'd prefer some competitive privateers...


wrcsti
porsche and subaru, too bad suby has had an F1 car before.
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Err... When did Subaru field an F1 car?

Muzaffar Musa
Nissan. I mean F1 has really missed the "big 3" Japanese auto maker there. There is Honda, Toyota, and what, no Nissan? Give me a break...... :grumpy:

Also it would be cool to see Lotus back in F1 (maybe even under the Proton name.... :eek:) as well as Maserati, Alfa Romeo and even Peugeot making a comeback into F1. But still, I wonder what engine Prodrive would use next year....... :D
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Maserati and Alfa Romeo are out - not with Ferrari under the same roof. Peugeot can't afford it, and Lotus are a company with a "For Sale" around it's neck.

And what use would another failing Japanese manufacturer do in F1? It's not like they'll win races any time soon, not with the current levels of sophistication and expertise required to design a modern, competitive F1 car. And as Omnis said, they're out for the same reason Alfa and Maserati are out - Renault is racing.

Venom800tt
Oh wow, I am surprised no one mentioned Mazda... Rotary powered F1 maybe? :p
Anyway I too would like to see more manufacturers in F1, though most of you already said the manufacturers I would have said lol
Maybe the more "free" engine type rules coming in the future will make more manufacturers give F1 another look, since they will be able to put a engine that shows their heritage, such as a Boxer motor for Porsche and Subaru, Wankels for Mazda, V8's for the US brands, and V12's in the Italians. :sly:
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Heritage is nice and cute, but a V10 was proven to be the best mix between performance, vibrations and weight, and as such, I cannot see anyone returning to a lesser configuration "just because". Wins bring more publicity than saying "We run a Boxer because it's our tradition".

TheCracker
There have already been American F1 teams in the past:

Anglo American Racers (Eagle)
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Most beautiful F1 car EVAR.

Rocket Punch
I like the free engine rule and the way to make that work is by imposing a "fixed fuel" per race rule. teams can use whatever engine layout and fuel they want as long as they only use a certain amount of fuel in one race without refuel. I think this will help accelerate and migrate some fuel saving technology for more efficient road cars.
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And in five minutes, you'd have all 11 teams building V10s again, and testing them to death in an effort to increase power or economy. Which would, well, negate any "we are green" efforts by the FIA.
 
That most of these manufacturers don't even consider it. Or don't have the resourced to consider it. Or don't see a benefit from F1 involvement.
 
I agree with Metar. The only viable company would be VAG, but neither Porsche or Audi are particularly interested in it, since they are highly succesful in other racing series. Maybe Bentley or Lamborghini (Whom both belong in the Audi stables)? But they probably don´t have the funds.
Ford has already tried, and failed, so they are most likely out. And they are currently succesful in WRC.
GM could have a go, but I don´t think they have enough know-how or resources. And besides, they probably don´t see the benefit from it, as Metar said.
Subaru? Not a chance. They want to get back on top in the WRC!

I think the future lies with the big non-car manufacturers. We already have Red Bull and Force India (Kingfisher). Coca Cola or Nestlé??
Most likely the next entrant will be chinese though.
 
Dunno, Ferruccio Lamborghini's philosophy was right in at least one aspect - Motorsport is a money-pit that should be avoided at all costs. But then again, we have since seen Lamborghinis with regular doors and participating in GT Racing.


Point is though, requirements to become competitive in today's F1 are incredible. Consider than the 200+millions the top-teams spend on their cars is spend on mere improvements on an already existing chassis - even the most radical car still uses ideas and designs used previously. Developing a car from the ground up, '70s-'90s privateer-style, is nigh impossible these days without major investments - Toyota is one example of a team started from nothing, and even they didn't win yet (though they certainly reached the competitiveness-stage about three seasons ago).

Back in the '60s, a team could weld together a chassis, stick an engine, and race it. And somewhat competitively. In the '70s, these teams were required to do a bit more work, especially aerodynamically, in order to be competitive, even though wings at the time consisted of a piece of hard cheese and some screws - part of that resulted from the leveling-effect the Cosworth DFV mill offered. In the '90s, despite increasing aerodynamic complexity and crash-tests, privateers were still common, but were fading in speed and numbers - but the 21st century requires far too much work for a newcomer to join without a solid base, such as Aguri's old Arrows A23 (which were a lesson in How to Suck) and Honda RA06s.
VAG would have to invest a season or two of complete suckage before their car would become remotely competitive, and even then - Lamborghini doesn't need the F1 publicity. Audi has absolutely no interests in F1 - without anything to push the Quattro nameplate or their Diesel engines (which they can use in the Le Mans Prototype class), F1 has no value to them. Porsche doesn't need F1 either, with their 911 and RS Spyders doing the job in motorsport perfectly.
 
Lambo have already been in F1 as an engine supplier. Unsuccessfully i might add.
 
As were Peugeot and Subaru, the latter of which made less powerful engines than the Cosworth DFVs of the '70s.
 

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