What's everyones problem with ABS?

[KinLM]

I don't see the problem with it.

It isn't perfect but it's better than past GT's where you couldn't even turn it off.

 

[Olegonic]

If I want a realistic driving experience I'll go hop in my car and drive it around the block. This is a video game, whose realism is hampered entirely by the fact that I'm playing it through my television. Since this is software that I purchased entirely for my enjoyment, I'll configure it to run in a way that I enjoy most with no concern for what anybody on the internet thinks is right or wrong.

I simply find that braking without the "seat of your pants" feel granted by a real car is more frustrating than it's worth.

If it is just a video game for you then stay where you are - ABS 1-10 or sort of. Enjoy software purchased entirely for YOUR enjoyment.
You do not concern about someone's opinion while YOU are trying to make your own right...Hmm?
Kinda contradiction here, huh?

 

[scrambles175]

I use ABS on this game because I'm one of the last people on the planet without a steering wheel controller but I prefer not to use ABS because doesn't provide the stopping power you would get without it. the ultimate stopping power happens when your on the brakes to the point just before the tires completely lose grip. I don't care to use electronics that dictate how I drive any of my cars so why should I have to deal with any of that on a simulation game? thats the way I see it

Edit:
another point I just remembered to mention about not wanting to use ABS on this game is that its totaly messing up my style with the Lancer Evolution X

 

[eran0004]

I don't hate ABS, but I think the game is a lot more fun with ABS off. After all, racing is not only about acceleration - braking plays a pretty big role as well.

 

[goofycool]

In my opinion, its simply a case of pride amongst drivers. People like to be able to say that they set ABS at zero.

Here's simple for ya: ABS = 0 is a LOT more FUN. No hatin', no pride, just enjoying it.

 

[PDXWolf]

I actually prefer ABS off, I just can't do it in GT5 with my current set up. The DFGT brake pedal is WAY too sensitive. Just tapping it locks the brakes up, making it impossible to actually brake effectively in any corner. If there was a way to drop the sensitivity, I would love to know how to do it, but until I can get a G27 I'll keep using ABS 1.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

I actually prefer ABS off, I just can't do it in GT5 with my current set up. The DFGT brake pedal is WAY too sensitive. Just tapping it locks the brakes up, making it impossible to actually brake effectively in any corner. If there was a way to drop the sensitivity, I would love to know how to do it, but until I can get a G27 I'll keep using ABS 1.

If you are having issues with no ABS with wheels, these awesome no ABS threads by FordMkIVJ5 and CJSpencer77 might come in handy :

[GUIDE] So you want to drive without ABS... (please read OP)

Looking for no ABS driver online ? :

ABS 0 community where are you???

 

[Jaywalker]

I actually prefer ABS off, I just can't do it in GT5 with my current set up. The DFGT brake pedal is WAY too sensitive. Just tapping it locks the brakes up, making it impossible to actually brake effectively in any corner. If there was a way to drop the sensitivity, I would love to know how to do it, but until I can get a G27 I'll keep using ABS 1.

Are you adjusting your brake balance? 1/0 or 2/1? Also, try putting a piece of firm foam behind the pedal - keep it in place with some duct tape. 👍

 

[grrlpurple]

I always have it set at 1 simply because my old brake pedal lacks the sensitivity of movement to allow for proper progressive braking.

 

[Takumi Fujiwara]

I'll play with ABS off when I get a proper load cell pedal setup. I'm professionally trained in driving formula cars without even power brakes, much ABS, and have extensive real-world performance driving experience, with plenty of threshold braking, but none of that translates at all when playing GT5 with a DS3 or even a floppy-pedaled low-end wheel setup. I'm much more interested in racing than I am in car control, so I'd much rather concentrate on my line and dealing with the other cars on track.

 

[CJSpencer77]

I'm much more interested in racing than I am in car control.

??? they are synonymous

thats like saying im much more interested in running than learing how to stay upright on my legs

 

[NCRthree]

There's several problems that I experienced without some research and driving practice.

1. PD's default 5/5 Brake Balance. It's imposible for me to drive normally with that balance with ABS 0. No real life cars are balanced that way. To drive with that default setting it's nearly mandatory to have ABS on just to brake normally.

2. Pedal resistance. At least with a DFGT, I found it extremely difficult to have any brake feel for ABS0 even with proper settings. Some resistance modifications were needed. Seeing as the wheel was designed to work with GT, I imagine most people gave up on ABS 0 who didn't know to make any pedal mods.

3. The vast majority of GT users drive with ABS on. It's as if it's the only accepted aid for League Racing, Sanctioned Time Trials and Tuners. Why turn it off if it puts a driver at a speed disadvantage without serious practice?

Those are all aspects that I experienced before giving ABS 0 a thorough trial period. I read all the arguments about which was more "realistic" or not. Then came to my own conclusion that it feels more realistic to me. That's my own opinion of course.

I've driven without ABS for nearly a year and can say without reservation that it's much more immersive, challenging and fun. I've needed to explore some real life braking technique guides to get the most out of GT braking. An eye opening experience from my previous "push it to the floor" ABS 1 "technique". Now trail braking becomes a real technique to master, modulating from a full on high speed threshold brake situation and general brake modulation in all brake zones.

 

[BLAZING56k]

In my opinion, its simply a case of pride amongst drivers. People like to be able to say that they set ABS at zero.

Thats what i would say. I used to say "no assists" was the way of the samurai, but after thinking about it, even factory cars come equipped with ABS. This may be a pedestrian way of managing the brakes, but it is not cheating.

Cheating would be using ABS on a car that never had any ABS, such as a 93 civic DX. lol been there and NO ABS sucks, game or not.

 

[Jump_Ace]

Easy, it's because you can brake way too late and just smash the brakes with all your strength and you don't get punished for the bad driving behavior. Then, if you turn it off, the brakes lock up far too soon, there is no travel between braking and locking it feels.


Jerome

 

[NCRthree]

Easy, it's because you can brake way too late and just smash the brakes with all your strength and you don't get punished for the bad driving behavior. Then, if you turn it off, the brakes lock up far too soon, there is no travel between braking and locking it feels.


Jerome

Try 2/0 on Comforts, 3/1 Sports and 4/1 Race. Lower settings are fine too. I use those type settings, sometimes lower and rarely lock up at low speeds. Plenty enough travel even with a modded DFGT.

 

[TomBrady]

I fail to understand why so many people hate ABS. I understand maybe not caring for it under certain circumstances in real life, but what's the big deal towards racing with street cars on GT5? I know IRL doesn't allow it, but I fail to understand how a machine and sensors assisting in braking are cheating, for noobs, or make someone a poor racer.

Now TCS stops wheel spin (strangely, the lower the setting it only applies at lower RPMs, which does not match any TCS systems I have experienced), but that slows down how fast we can accelerate. So if I have it on, then I lose time because I can only accelerate as fast as it allows.

I don't use any systems but ABS at 1, and I am curious on other people's opinions. I haven't golded most of my events, just silvers. I have done maybe 1 endurance race myself, but I still think I perform average to above average as a driver. At least in real life I perform exceptionally for an individual w/o any formal training, and it bothers me that so many people complain about ABS when chances are 9/10 that they themselves have ABS on their vehicle.

I just think it's rubbish. It's difficult to even get a standard now, at least in states, let alone a vehicle without ABS.

I don't know anyone that hates it other than people race F1 cars. I race in a F1 league and it's restricted, nobody uses it but in most cars in GT5, nobody cares. Mostly because the brake pedal is just overly sensitive but it's still not impossible to go without ABS. Depends on the car really.

ABS has always seemed to me like it's the only driver aid people do tolerate and use.

One reason people could hate it is that it's not just affecting braking, it has some properties of an ASM as well. It doesn't just stop you from locking up the brakes

 

[TomBrady]

Try 2/0 on Comforts, 3/1 Sports and 4/1 Race. Lower settings are fine too. I use those type settings, sometimes lower and rarely lock up at low speeds. Plenty enough travel even with a modded DFGT.

It really depends on the car. Heavy cars or cars that are super fast in a straight line can benefit from having brake balance set that low, but most others cars are fine having it around 5 or even higher. At least for me. Most of the time if I put the brake balance too low, it makes my brake distances too long and doesn't make it any easier to stop.

 

[Dusty1990]

I now always run with ABS on 1, simply don't get any feel with it turned off, its a shame really as always played forza 3/4 with it off and it made for a more satisfying drive.

the brakes are my biggest issue with Gt.

 

[ynot]

What is GT5?

A video game designed to be fun to play for all ages and levels.

It is never really going to be The Real Driving Simulator because sitting in a chair with no movement, g-forces, other real life things, other cars, barriers that you can really hit and get hurt, and on and on.

In a real race when you wreck your car you are done. Have you ever seen anyone on GT5 who spins out and hits a barrier, park their car and wait for the next race? NOPE

Everyone talks about being REAL but then does not really race real do they.

Have some fun, meet new people, have some good races and let people drive the way they want to.

Only thing I ask is race clean as you can please.

Want to dirty race, then open a dirty room.

See Ya

 

[JR86]

For DS3 the ABS is on 1 for meas I use Square for brake and gives more braking control while drifting. On G27 I use ABS 1 and no ABS. Normally ABS is off as I feel I can control car movement more and because I like the challenge when racing against others and the clock

 

[Ryk]

ABS is just a tool.

It is just a setting that polarises opinion.

Previously it may have been Manual Gears - or what level difficulty a player sets. This is usually the elitist angle.

I prefer ABS=0 - Mostly as I have to work harder over the same race time. Same with traction control.

Now if you like running ABS=23 and Traction control on or any other driver aid... then that is up to you.

You play the game to have fun. If you have more fun driving a lap knowing your car will behave as you slam on the anchors into a corner - rather than try to pitch you into a spin and then off the track then I can totally understand it.

I am not quite sure why people need to snipe at each other...

"You are a driving Girlie-Man - you run ABS=1, you are weak. Even a shopping trolley runs ABS=0."

"Pah you ABS=0 drivers are all the same looking down on the majority of us ABS users when the simple fact is we are faster because we use electronic aids."

And so on, - That said, it is nice that people are passionate about GT5 and driving, but lets take it out on the track and not each other. We are not Nelson Piquet vs Eliseo Salazar Germany 1982 after all.

ABS=0 I would recommend though, it is a step to much more immersion. Coupled with better brake bias settings (Probably posted above by more eloquent posters.)

Give it a spin... so to speak.

 

[ynot]

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[ralph89]

IMO it makes me enjoy cars like F40 and Tune NSX R without it, especially in nurburgring. But online, I prefer to use it set to 2 or 3.. I guess I don't have the skills to be competitive with 0 ABS.

 

[TomBrady]

IMO it makes me enjoy cars like F40 and Tune NSX R without it, especially in nurburgring. But online, I prefer to use it set to 2 or 3.. I guess I don't have the skills to be competitive with 0 ABS.

I think with most cars that it may not even be possible to brake as late as you can with ABS on. Other than the F1 cars, I don't think shutting off ABS is an advantage.

So I don't think it's about skill entirely

 

[lpfuelfan42]

As someone who started Gran Turismo 5 on 11/24/10 with the DualShock 3, I understand why most racers have had ABS at 1. With the controller, it's VERY easy to lock up the brakes without some semblance of ABS. Even at 1 is a thousandfold improvement over no ABS if you don't know how to adjust the brake balance to compensate like I didn't at the time.

I got a DFGT last year, but still kept the ABS at 1. It was a comfortable setting. I could stab the brakes however hard I wanted, and unless I completely blew the corner, I was going to be okay. Even in longer runs with tire wear all I had to do was stab on the brakes as hard as I wanted, and deal with the tire wear only on corner exit.

It's only been in the last week or so that I've experimented with turning ABS off. At first I had no clue how to compensate with the brake balance, and driving a race car at 5/5 produced LOADS of oversteer into about any corner I wanted.

With help from the fine people here on the GTPlanet forums, I learned how to tune the brake balance to compensate, and only a couple of hours ago did I complete my first long run without ABS and with wear on, using Juan Montoya's 2011 Chevy Impala NASCAR at Daytona RC for 35 laps.

I AM HOOKED to ABS=0. It was a MUCH more immersive experience, especially when the tires began to wear and the handling characteristics began to change. I actually had to adjust my line and technique to compensate! And another thing, using what I learned with the brake bias, I adjusted it on the fly, and felt the handling characteristics change as I did so. As the rear tires wore and caused the rear to drift wide entering the corner, I dialed my rear bias down to compensate, allowing me to stabilize my corner entry. But if I dialed it down too far, then I understeered entering the corner, and when the front tires finally hooked up, the rears broke loose upon corner exit. Adjust the rear bias back a little bit, and the balance returned! I had never experienced anything CLOSE to that before! It really hooked me in.

That said, while I'm a convert, I understand why others still have ABS at 1, especially if you don't know how to tune. Most EVERYONE I have seen online in GT5 has had ABS at least at 1. I can probably count only on one hand the number of times I've seen anyone have ABS turned off. It's an easier and more accessible way to race for most people, me included until just very recently And I'm not going to be upset when that is still the case. But I really feel like I discovered a whole new game just by turning ABS to 0.

 

[Woodski_427]

But I really feel like I discovered a whole new game just by turning ABS to 0.

This is exactly why ABS 0 drivers like it so much. It brings the cars to life and creates much more involvement.

A lot of people are put off by the initial difficulty due to easy lock-ups, which is more of the tyre than brake model problem IMO (ie, the same reason it is so easy to spin-up under acceleration). Then there are the difference with braking zones to get your head around, kinks and bumps now upset the car so you might have to brake-lift-brake where you could just stomp on the pedal/button. An example would be the right-hander at the top of the hill on Trial Mountain after the narrow cutting section.

Then there are a lot of people just want to race, and don't care or don't want the possible disadvantage.

I can't go back now - I always seem to run too deep into the corner if ABS is on - I can't 'feel' (I suppose hear) the threshold so hold the brake on too long.

 

[CJSpencer77]

I AM HOOKED to ABS=0. It was a MUCH more immersive experience, especially when the tires began to wear and the handling characteristics began to change. I actually had to adjust my line and technique to compensate! And another thing, using what I learned with the brake bias, I adjusted it on the fly, and felt the handling characteristics change as I did so. As the rear tires wore and caused the rear to drift wide entering the corner, I dialed my rear bias down to compensate, allowing me to stabilize my corner entry. But if I dialed it down too far, then I understeered entering the corner, and when the front tires finally hooked up, the rears broke loose upon corner exit. Adjust the rear bias back a little bit, and the balance returned! I had never experienced anything CLOSE to that before! It really hooked me in.

Another has been turned to the dark side 👍

I love reading bits like this about people discovering ABS 0, I race in a ABS 0 league ( see sig bellow ) and had pretty much the same experience as you when i turned it off.

The thing about ABS i still dont understand is why the difference between ABS 1-10 is so small, in my opinion they should have ABS 1 as only marginally easier than ABS 0 i.e. just a little bit of braking help, and so on, so every increment of ABS represents only a small jump of ABS assist.

I feel it would help people ( who wanted to ) naturally filter down to ABS 0 without having to be chucked in to the deep end.

 

[Giulietta73]

It is never really going to be The Real Driving Simulator because sitting in a chair with no movement, g-forces, other real life things, other cars, barriers that you can really hit and get hurt, and on and on.

I kind of agree with you except for the fact that GT5 sells itself as a 'simulator' and not a real life driving experience.

 

[mr_serious]

...I AM HOOKED to ABS=0. It was a MUCH more immersive experience,..
...But I really feel like I discovered a whole new game just by turning ABS to 0.
...

This is exactly why ABS 0 drivers like it so much. It brings the cars to life and creates much more involvement.
...
I can't go back now -
...

My experience is pretty much like these. Now if only the AI could be fixed so easily

 

[Giulietta73]

My experience is pretty much like these. Now if only the AI could be fixed so easily

Amen:tup:

I have been messing with tire choices to bring my apex speeds down to that similar to the AI - takes a while, I know - and I've found the AI to be much more aggressive and much more likely to take a lunge up the inside.

It's as close as I can get to a decent set of AI - but don't expect to win easily!!