Whats your opinion on blocking?

[nizmo_bro]

If it's against the AI, it's completely acceptable. Online, if they are much faster than you, just let them by(I wish people would do this).
But if you're like me, I will block you if you don't drive fair to begin with. I had some guy in the tofu shop AE86 who everytime I saw him, would be forcing others off the track, and even tried it on me once. He messed himself up and dropped a couple places, but by the final lap he had started to catch up to me(probably forcing all the others off again). The final stretch he was closing the gap so I decided to pull over in front of him right near the finish and kept my position.
Sure he whined afterwards, but if you try to pass me after a bunch of unfair moves against everyone...

 

[PAWEL17]

So alot of people saying, blocking is not acceptable, rubbing is unnacceptable, little taps are unacceptable, so are we allowed to race in GT5 or what? Blocking in my opinion, unless being lapped is acceptable, otherwise it is not racing. And i am getting really annoyed at how soft some people are, blocking, tapping, rubbing is all done in real life racing, especially in v8 supercars.

 

[trk29]

What is the next thread going to be called (Is it okay to do a head on collision)
If you race clean you should know. If blocking causes someone to hit you it's wrong and intentional collisions are not okay either.... Geez

I'll give my stance on blocking again. Last lap passing the same car as me getting ready to get second place. Well the asshole slams me in the drivers side door and puts me in the wall. So that was his form of blocking and it got him second place and then he left the room. Now do you think he knew what he did? If he didn't he would have stayed. I guess to stop people from doing this I will start slamming them in the wall and engaging my e-brake yeah I will lose the race but so will he.

 

[mikekhel30]

I don't mind blocking, it keeps you on top of others. I will always try to keep my place. Only time I won't consider blocking is when you have been lapped. Other than that, if you think you have the faster car, then try to pass me. If you can't, then you need to work on your driving skills.

 

[IceMan PJN]

Keeping someone from passing you, what's the right strategy, and the wrong one?

To an extent I'm okay with blocking, as it's understandable to fight for your position. The thing about it is that if you're swerving around to block me, and the only way you can hold your position is to keep blocking me, I'm clearly faster than you, probably because I'm better than you. If I'm better/faster, I really deserve to be ahead of you, as your superior.

At that point someone is thinking, "If you're better, work for the overtake" or something to that effect. True, the superior car/driver should earn the position and if truly superior should be able to do so. However, clean overtaking can be difficult on a road course, so with a few well-timed blocks even the greatest driver on Earth can't get around without just knocking you out of the way. If excessive blocking is employed to hold a position, that driver shouldn't get too upset if excessive force is used to take the position, so if that means you get to eat a wall or spin off into the kitty litter, there isn't much room to whine about shoving a mobile wall out of the road.

 

[trk29]

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Well, the thread should end with the above post!

 

[Tower Turn 13]

Here's where I see the difference.

a.) if you're racing a multi-class room you should ALWAYS move out of the way of higher classes. It isn't fair to LMP cars if GT vehicles are in the way and cause a loss of place more than is reasonable given everyone's still racing for good lines. I believe there is even a flag for this IRL and is the reason for the flashy brights button (I WILL use this along with horn on rude people). I even use it on AI that piss me off, even if they don't actually respond to it

b.) straights and turns are different things to me. If I'm about to pass at the end of a straight and I'm still behind, and you take a line into the corner that makes me have to brake, okay, fair enough. You got there first. But if I am beside you on the inside you can't cut me off with contact, you just have to accept the crappy line. If I'm passing in a clear straight, there should be no blocking. I'm faster. If you have better cornering, re-pass me in turns. If I'm faster on straights, tough. Deal with it. That's sportsmanship IMO.

I quit a room mid-race the other day, which I never usually do because I want everyone to get the credits and whatnot that they earned. Why? The race HOST was blocking me on SSR7 (90 percent straights) because I tuned my tranny better than he had and drafted to pass. Of course he didn't like that and swerved every which way in the tunnel, blocking, smashing me into a wall so I fell back again.

If you're too crappy of a racer to do it right, go back to a-spec or keep to those immature little rooms and race each other.

My 2 cents.

 

[madwi]

well i block 1 time on straights and if you get by me...so be it! on corners I defend my line! as long as the opposition can pass me...i wont complain!

 

[White & Nerdy]

This topic revives a couple of old issues for me.

One, DO NOT brake for a turn in the middle of the preceding straight. If I'm drafting you, and I hit you because I can't react, then the rules target me. A good rule of thumb is if I rear-end you, you're probably brake checking because I tend to brake waaaaay too early as it is.

Two, if you're considerably slower than everyone else, DO NOT drive your slow car in the middle of the track/right on the line on a long straight where people won't see you until it's too late. A 20mph speed differential might be manageable, 30 is pushing it, 40+ means you need to get off the racing line so people don't have to dodge you at 200+ mph. At least use the map and move when someone approaches.

 

[Thaddaeus]

driving a hard line is fine.
blocking is for beginners and idiots though.

yesterday i was about to overtake the 1st (s2000) with my samba bus after i followed his back for about a round.
He could not stand it and swerved left and right on the whole straight to not let me pass. He was just a poor little ********.

As for me, i got greeted at in the voice chat to not block 3 cars which drafted me on a long straight and i went from 2nd place to 4th on the last 500meters.
Thats racing also. Get over it.

 

[jjaisli]

Depends on exactly what is meant by "blocking" I suppose. Making a single move on a straight to take away the line that your pursuer would ideally like to use to get by is perfectly fine. Taking a tight inside defensive line that makes your opponent try to hold a difficult outside line is also perfectly fine. You can do this as many times per lap as there are corners or straights.

Moving back in front of an opponent who you've already forced to take a different line once however is considered unfair in most any series. Likewise if you move off of a defensive line to get in his way, you can't then go back to it for the corner, it's his -- you gave it to him and should have considered that before you made the move.

Basically what it boils down to is that the car in front has the right to choose which side the pass attempt will have to be made. In some real world series, moving off of your line at all in response to what the car behind you does is a no-go, but I think most do recognize the "1 move" idea as fair.

👍 Agreed 100%

driving a hard line is fine.
blocking is for beginners and idiots though.

👍 I agree completely. It's a race, not a street brawl.


A little side by side contact is OK so long as you're not forcing the other car off line. But ideally, car to car contact should be avoided, not encouraged.

 

[VRracingfan]

1 block on the straight and no more.

 

[T-Unit95]

In most discplines of racing, all the cars have roughly the same specs and hence, you need true skill to win.

A good skill to have on the track is blocking so I believe it's a good stratgey. As I use it myself

 

[Stotty]

Taking a defensive line up to and in to a corner is fine as long as you only make one move between the previous corner exit and the next corner entry. But if the car behind is clearly faster, why bother.

Deliberate blocking (making a sudden, or unexpected move) is wrong, full stop... most drivers don't have the skill to react to sudden moves by the car infront, so if you make a sudden move to try and block someone and get hit as a consequence, you shouldn't complain!

Weaving on the straights to try and prevent a following car getting a tow is also a lame tactic.

One move only!

 

[Tired Tyres]

I don't agree with it at all. No blocking ever.

 

[KamyKaze1098]

Taking a defensive line up to and in to a corner is fine as long as you only make one move between the previous corner exit and the next corner entry. But if the car behind is clearly faster, why bother.

Deliberate blocking (making a sudden, or unexpected move) is wrong, full stop... most drivers don't have the skill to react to sudden moves by the car infront, so if you make a sudden move to try and block someone and get hit as a consequence, you shouldn't complain!

Weaving on the straights to try and prevent a following car getting a tow is also a lame tactic.

One move only!

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Nothing else to add.

 

[LuzGT]

If you successfully block an opponent behind you, it means you opponent is not enough fast (or rude) to pass.

(Or your opponent is not enough calm/cold to wait your error to pass)

 

[C-ZETA]

Blocking against AI is fine because they don't have feelings. Online though...quite the opposite.

 

[Spagetti69]

Blocking against AI is fine because they don't have feelings. Online though...quite the opposite.

Be nice to have the AI catch up Nevermind blocking.

 

[Duck]

Blocking is part of racing, like overtakes, wins and losses.

I agree with FIA rules: you are allowed to change your line in straight only once, apart of taking the right side of the track to engage next corner. So, if a track has 15 straights, you are allowed to make 15 defense blockings.
Example: right bend followed by a straight, then right bend -> exiting corner you can block opponent cutting on the right, then go back to the left to approach the 2nd right bend correctly.
2nd example: right bend followed by a straight, then left bend -> exiting corner you can block oppenent cutting on the right, then approach the left bend correctly.
3rd example: right bend followed by a straight, then left bend -> exiting corner you can move to the right to stay on the racing line, then block oppenent cutting on the left, BUT YOU HAVE TO APPROACH THE LEFT BEND TAKING THE INSIDE LINE.

In GT4, following these rules, you can block very faster opponents for laps, as they race on rails. In GT5 it's rare they keep blocked, if considerable faster.

Of course, oval races have to follow their specific rules, which I don't know well.

Finally, I feel disappointed to hear about people considering racing a demolition derby where you have to crash opponents to pass. On the other side, I dont' see reasons to consider blocking an unfair affair.

 

[Stotty]

I agree with FIA rules: you are allowed to change your line in straight only once, apart of taking the right side of the track to engage next corner. So, if a track has 15 straights, you are allowed to make 15 defense blockings.
Example: right bend followed by a straight, then right bend -> exiting corner you can block opponent cutting on the right, then go back to the left to approach the 2nd right bend correctly.
2nd example: right bend followed by a straight, then left bend -> exiting corner you can block oppenent cutting on the right, then approach the left bend correctly.
3rd example: right bend followed by a straight, then left bend -> exiting corner you can move to the right to stay on the racing line, then block oppenent cutting on the left, BUT YOU HAVE TO APPROACH THE LEFT BEND TAKING THE INSIDE LINE.

I don't see that as blocking... that's taking a defensive line and it's absolutely fine... though if you can drive decently you can usually get round people driving like that by taking a wider entry and getting them on the corner exit.

Blocking is making a late, sudden move to prevent someone making an overtake.

 

[phil bell]

I had one idiot call me a cheater just cos he couldnt pass even though his car was on race softs,30pp up and I left plenty of room for him.And when he did get pass he crashed miserably.And called me a cheater just cos of his incompetence.So we have to adjust our perception of blocking.If you keep sticking to the inside repeatedly or swerve to block it's going too far.

 

[Negrumir]

To an extent I'm okay with blocking, as it's understandable to fight for your position. The thing about it is that if you're swerving around to block me, and the only way you can hold your position is to keep blocking me, I'm clearly faster than you, probably because I'm better than you. If I'm better/faster, I really deserve to be ahead of you, as your superior.

At that point someone is thinking, "If you're better, work for the overtake" or something to that effect. True, the superior car/driver should earn the position and if truly superior should be able to do so. However, clean overtaking can be difficult on a road course, so with a few well-timed blocks even the greatest driver on Earth can't get around without just knocking you out of the way. If excessive blocking is employed to hold a position, that driver shouldn't get too upset if excessive force is used to take the position, so if that means you get to eat a wall or spin off into the kitty litter, there isn't much room to whine about shoving a mobile wall out of the road.

Exactly, if someone wants me right behind them, I'll probably end up slamming them when they brake for the next corner. Had they let me past, there would have been no problem. Fortunately I've not run into (get it?) many people who block excessively and haven't had to deal with them as such.

Usually riding right up on them will psyche them out and they'll mess up. Or if they're that much slower, then another car will come up to pass, I'll back off a bit and then pass while they're fighting with the new car.

 

[WalkerInTN]

In real life my only reason not to try to wreck someone that's purposely blocking is car damage & the repair bill.

In a game, that reason is gone. If you try to block me, I WILL wreck you. Dirty driving deserves dirty driving, you get what you give.

 

[h2g2guy]

My opinion on this sort of goes along with FIA rules. If you see someone who might have the possibility to pass you on this straight, you should adopt a defensive line well before they reach you and begin the overtake. If this is driving in the center of a thin road, fine. If this is moving (calmly) to the other side of the track, fine.

But if you make your pursuer step on the brakes because you moved too quickly, that's not OK. Sure, make it as difficult as you want for him to pass. But if your car and his car are evenly matched, and you make him step on his brakes, he no longer will have the opportunity to pass you on that lap. Obviously, if he was going faster than you were in the first place, he took the last turn better than you did, and deserves to be in front.

That being said, I would only very rarely take a defensive position against someone on the full Nurburgring. That's just too thin a track, and if you have a wide car, you can actually make it impossible for someone else to pass. If someone tries to pass me, I'll usually actually move over and let them pass. (If we were all professionals, of course, I would probably change my mind...)

And on the subject of bumping? I don't think contact should EVER be necessary when you're racing. If someone is right on my tail, I usually brake earlier and more gently to give him the opportunity to respond and not rear-end me. If I'm on someone's tail, trying to pressure them into screwing up, I'll either move to one side of him before a turn or brake harder and earlier. With most people, if you stay close enough to them for long enough, they'll get nervous enough to miss an apex or braking point, and you'll have the position you've been eyeing all that time. It just takes a bit of patience

Side to side collisions should NEVER happen through recklessness. The only time I can think of this legitimately happening is if someone tries to cut to the inside of someone else and misjudges the opponent's line. Still, though, should you really be trying to cut that deeply into a turn?

 

[machine4321]

This is tough. Countless tomes on the ring i end up 10+ sec off the pace because of some One not letting me by. But when in the draft it can appear you are much quicker then they are. My rule is if they Come up on me very fast and i havent screwed anything up, they are obviously faster then me and i let them go by. I wont give any one the inside, but if they are faster on a straight i have no problem letting them past. I will see them at the next corner and put the pressure on. If i dont see them in the next corner then i guess they were faster.

People neex to be track aware. I am always checking my split times and always looking to see if the guy in front or behinde has been passed or is passing

 

[VBR]

I don't see that as blocking... that's taking a defensive line and it's absolutely fine... though if you can drive decently you can usually get round people driving like that by taking a wider entry and getting them on the corner exit.

Blocking is making a late, sudden move to prevent someone making an overtake.

That's the most sense I've read in this thread so far! I think a lot of peple on here don't know what blocking actually is, so here's The Skip Barber Racing School's definition:

Blocking is: "weaving...with your eyes on the mirrors, trying to cut off the driver behind..."

Blocking is when a driver is steering left & right all over the track to stop the driver behind from passing him, it's not the same thing as driving a defensive line in or out of corners in order to defend your position. The one move you have on the straight shouldn't be used to block either, it should only be used to choose your line into the next turn. Blocking is wrong regardless of the situation, it's also dishonourable, ungentlmanly & frowned upon heavily by most real race drivers as it is extremely dangerous.


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[chuyler1]

When it comes to straights...

One move from inside to outside on any given straight is OK by my book. On the last straight of the last lap, I make an exception. You can track the driver behind you to force him to bump you instead of passing. The draft is simply too strong in this game and gives the following driver an unfair advantage.

On any other lap of the game, if I see someone weaving down the straight to block or cut off the draft I will warn them over the mic...if I see it happen again and I'm close enough to pass, I'll pit maneuver them or punt them in the next turn. I don't tolerate that sort of crap in my lobbies. You wouldn't see a real race car driver bouncing from side to side as they drove down the Nurburgring final straight so I don't expect to see it in the game.

When it comes to turns...

Taking an inside line, apexing early or late, or doing whatever you can to incovenience the following driver, is all game and part of racing. The only exception is squeezing a driver off the track who has already come along side you. When they disappear from your rearview and get along side you, it is officially two line racing and you must hold your side of the track without interfering. The faster driver will pull ahead exiting the turn.

 

[friedi]

I blocked only Offline some times... or on Enduros to reduce the "hard work"^^

Online i hate blockers....

you fly from behind with 50~ kmh more (real life no chance to block some1 who´s driving 50kmh faster) and get blocked all the time... that´s poor...

or what happended often: some1 crashs in my car... i got some mechanical damage... the other dont...

bad luck?^^

 

[Xenn]

I don't like blocking whatsoever. I will let other drivers past me, but it irks me if they don't do the same.