Whats your opinion on blocking?

[spapadillion]

Always let the faster driver past. He'll get you eventually, regardless. In the mean time, borrow his draft and make GT5 a better place by being polite.

 

[chuyler1]

Always let the faster driver past. He'll get you eventually, regardless. In the mean time, borrow his draft and make GT5 a better place by being polite.

Very great advice. I always let them by when they draft pass (unless its the last lap). It's better to have them in front of you so if they make a mistake they don't take you out. You might also learn something from following their line.

 

[Willfred_1]

i only block once on a straight if its evenly matched though if im a behind and there excessively weaving pull a feint just before a corner so its sets them up incorrectly and if there not that great they normally crash

 

[eran0004]

Intentional blocking is a big no no if you want a clean race. There's only a few things that are more annoying than people who are ramming you off the road when you're trying to make a clear pass and obviously have a gap to go for.

It happens a lot in online racing, which is why I generally don't try to pass unless I'm so much faster than the other car that he won't have time to react (or if I know that the driver is a respectable guy).

To go side by side when online is pretty much like throwing a dice, because you never know if the other driver is gonna go roadrage or not.

This is why my favourite way of passing is to get up close behind and just wait for the other driver to make a mistake. It might take some time, but if you stick to his rear view mirrors long enough it will be there sooner or later. If the driver in front drives like a jerk I might give him a little honk or an encouraging tap on is shoulder as well to speed up the process.

Only problem is, online racing and patience doesn't really go well together, cause if you're gonna wait behind a slower driver until he makes a mistake, there's a big risk that someone will catch up from behind and ram both of you off the road.

Still, a roadrage session can be pretty fun too if everyone is up for it, but it's definitely not clean racing. I guess a lot of this behaviour can be fixed by some more advanced damage physics where your car can actually sustain permanent and serious damage from impacts at high speeds (I'm not talking graphics, just what happens to the systems of the car). I think we would see a lot more careful driving that way. At least the roadrage drivers wouldn't just get away with it, which would be reward enough for me even if it would wreck me as well in the process.

 

[chuyler1]

Yeah, if some fender rubbing caused you to cut a tire, that would smarten up some drivers...but damage is a 2 way street and someone else usually gets the brunt of it.

 

[GT_Prologue5]

Block if you're on the last lap or fighting for position. If he's going to get around, just let him on by.

 

[Eskimojos]

Very great advice. I always let them by when they draft pass (unless its the last lap). It's better to have them in front of you so if they make a mistake they don't take you out. You might also learn something from following their line.

Block if you're on the last lap or fighting for position. If he's going to get around, just let him on by.

The bit I don't get is where most people online, (even, sadly, GTPers it seems,) seem to think that all normal rules of racing and etiquette don't apply on the exit of the last corner and in the straight approaching the finish line. The number of times I have been punted off the track by some douchebag for having the audacity to attempt a legitimate pass approaching the finish line and ended up fishtailing, slamming into the wall and then coming last are way too many.

As I have become so fond of saying on these boards, what is really so wrong with coming second after a hard fight?

 

[KingSakery]

I cross the drivingline just once (like it is in F1 and other series).
=> I have to decide which line I take for the next corner
inside => try to keep my position
or
outside => hope for a mistake of my oponent or counter him direktly

I let them pass me, but I don´t give up that easily (a bit of work hasn´t harmed anyone before).
If I run a Trial celica and my oponent a FGT
=> I will let him pass me because blocking makes no sence in that Situation (he will overtake me anyway)
Swerving is just lame

 

[chuyler1]

The bit I don't get is where most people online, (even, sadly, GTPers it seems,) seem to think that all normal rules of racing and etiquette don't apply on the exit of the last corner and in the straight approaching the finish line. The number of times I have been punted off the track by some douchebag for having the audacity to attempt a legitimate pass approaching the finish line and ended up fishtailing, slamming into the wall and then coming last are way too many.

As I have become so fond of saying on these boards, what is really so wrong with coming second after a hard fight?

Well, swerving and pit maneuvering don't fall into the category of blocking if you ask me. They fall into the category of dirty racing. When I state that last lap blocking is OK, what I mean to say is waiting for the driver to attempt a draft pass and cutting in front of him so he bump drafts you instead. Once the other driver is along side you, your block has failed and you shouldn't retaliate by pit maneuvering him as he drives by you. I know it is tempting as the draft can be so powerful, but keep in mind that it takes skill to follow close enough through the last few turns to be close enough for the draft. If the other driver was skilled enough to be on your bumper the entire race, he/she deserves a clean run up the straight.

...but the draft is one of the reasons I can't stand Daytona Road Course. You could negotiate the infield a second faster than someone and they'll catch you before the bus stop. You could nail the bus stop and pull away and they'll catch you again for a pass before the start finish. That can be very frustrating. I can't tell you how many races I've lost on that track to a less skilled driver.

 

[Felix]

While swerving is a no-no , I don't care if someone is much faster than I am , it is their job to overtake me and do it cleanly. Blocking and protecting your position is just as important as over-taking is. The only time I will let someone through is if I am being lapped.

 

[SigmaViper11]

I'm not fond of blocking but one or two blocks per lap is ok. Superior machines should be allowed to go by however if they are significantly faster (Don't block with your C6 RM when an Audi R10 is trying to overtake you). I rather despise those who swing their cars wildly across the road to try and block you, and their pretty easy to get off the road. Take an unconventional line through a corner ad force him to swing out and block and they will most likely slide off the turn and spin or hit the wall. Useful trick. Others aren't as forgiving and if you come down on the nose of their car they won't hesitate to turn you the wrong way around. My point is, block intelligently. A lot of people work less upon rules in the last lap or last turn, but you shouldn't throw yourself to barbaric ramming and crasing to the finish line. Sometimes its better to let the other car have the lead across the line, becuase if you start bangin, and the rest of the pack is close and you crash, you guys are both screwed. 2nd is much better than last, though it may not be first. Also you can refer to other non contact methods of convinciing your opponent to lose the lead.

 

[ZR1fan]

I dont mind the occasional block.. but i dont like people (or AI for that matter) who recklessly divebomb past you in a slower car suicidally and nearly cause big wrecks.. i just had a Gallardo flip itself over in the seasonals trying to get past me.. i passed it cleanly with my LP670, in the left hander of the left-right combo, with the grass patch before the front straight on Trial Mountain, staying on the road, and was just setting it up on a line to take the Miura ahead on the front stretch, when a last second rear view check revealedthe Gallardo had disappeared in the Murci's blind spot behind it. i knew it would not be pretty when he came back in sight, because i have seen AI cars pull banzai stuff like this before. so i backed off the Miuras tail in case the Murcielago needed room for a sudden avoidance manuver .. sure enough.. the Gallardo reappeared.. making a suicide divebomb pass on the Murci's inside. This was in the right hander onto the front straight. Unfortunately for both of us, he also hit the hill pretty decently and popped himself up on two wheels, sending the Gallardo two wheeling straight across the Murcielagos path, between it and the Miura, into the wall, which he hit with his roof. i hit the brakes and snapped the car further right to avoid the dumb:censored: then gunned it to get past him, right before he came back into the middle of the track, snapped sideways.. still on two wheels.. and barrel rolled.. what a looney toon

 

[djinline]

I don't block anyone, I even let the last place guy/gal past me so there are no hard feelings.

 

[Starking]

Very great advice. I always let them by when they draft pass (unless its the last lap). It's better to have them in front of you so if they make a mistake they don't take you out. You might also learn something from following their line.

This is pretty much it, draft passes are one of those times where blocking is just foolish. Blocking on the turns is quite a thrill, being the blocker and being the follower. However I do agree that you shouldn't try to hold up a car that's a few seconds faster, but then again if he can't find an opening he shouldn't be able to get around.

Blocking adds a unique dimension to racing, however blocking on a straight is quite stupid unless it's the last lap. My two cents.

 

[ucwepn]

theres no point in blocking in this game because they will hit you in the back and send you off the track without penalty, just let people pass and then expect the same from others.

 

[ivoyared]

Blocking other guys is fun. Specially when they use X2010, FGT.

 

[Dan_]

I honestly think that online blocking is mostly done by people who are much more bothered to win, than to have fun with the bloody game.

If someone is faster, let him pass. I just stick to my driving line but whenever a faster car comes near I give it enough room to maneuver. Not doing that pretty much spoils the fun of online play.

 

[Eskimojos]

Blocking adds a unique dimension to racing, however blocking on a straight is quite stupid unless it's the last lap. My two cents.

I will say it again, why does the fact that it's the last lap make any difference? Whatever lap of the race it is, the rules and etiquette don't change. I am not talking about driving defensively and protecting your position through the corners, but the desperate weaving and winding and body-checking (AKA "blocking") that goes on in the last dash to the finish line. You get one move, period. If you're draft-passed in the last 200m who cares? Come back next race and try to do better. Some of the most enjoyable online banter I have had comes from narrow victory margins achieved through fair racing and you will find that if you're both that close once, you'll probably be that close most of the time, and you can have some cracking races as a result.

I honestly think that online blocking is mostly done by people who are much more bothered to win, than to have fun with the bloody game.

This couldn't have summed up my feelings more perfectly.👍

 

[CAG_Theory]

You must take the compromise to win, or else nothing. After all, there's no point racing if you can't feel alive.

 

[Stotty]

I honestly think that online blocking is mostly done by people who are much more bothered to win, than to have fun with the bloody game.

Absolutely 👍

Same goes for punting too.

 

[pay2021]

I dont know, i grow watching Senna driving, blocking Mansell in Monaco with a 100x slower car, and the people come with this questions and answers i dont know if im wrong or what, if i block is because i want to win, and its a racing game, you race to win, even if is a game, am i crazy?

edit: this



the battle start at 6:00

this inprint in my mind so deep, i recall watch this live like it was today

 

[OK8]

Let them pass and then overtake them the next chance you get. If you block them and either of you end up crashing that's no fun.

 

[sideshowfrost]

I will say it again, why does the fact that it's the last lap make any difference?

Blocking after the last lap can win you the race. Blocking before that, not so much.

 

[KingSakery]

Fighting for your position like Senna in the Video above is normal and that was skilled driving of both (Senna and Mansell).
But if you do that online, you´ll get lobbykicked, hated or the one behind you punts you.
=> your trying to fight for position and the other can´t keep calm and rages behind his Controler/wheel

And that is poor, fair blocking is skill too

 

[Dimitrov]

I usually try to follow Formula 1 rules. You can change directions only one time. Two maximum if you're taking the apex on the very next corner.

 

[mrkevans]

I'm on the fence about this so I want to put it to you guys for a general opinion. When drafting on a straight Ive had on many occasions the driver infront of me weave from one side of the track to the other in an attempt to break the splipstream effect, is this bad sportsmanship or above board and all part of racing? I personally don't do it but I see it all the time.

 

[carracerptp]

The GTP OLR says NO.
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=111241

10: Defensive Driving:


A:
Leading cars have the right to choose their own line down a straight. They can change their racing line once while driving down a straight (Move from the outside line to the inside, or vice versa). As they approach the next corner, they can return to the racing line of their choice However, they're not allowed to change their line when the behind driver is directly behind and changes his line to try and make a pass. If your movement causes an accident, you're responsible.

One lane change is allowed. After that it is considered dirty / cheap.

 

[Daisey327]

I'm on the fence about this so I want to put it to you guys for a general opinion. When drafting on a straight Ive had on many occasions the driver infront of me weave from one side of the track to the other in an attempt to break the splipstream effect, is this bad sportsmanship or above board and all part of racing? I personally don't do it but I see it all the time.

Yeah I see it a lot too but I guess its just part of gt5 racing. If slippy is set to weak (likely closer to real) drivers tend to not care as much about swerving. Perhaps the swerving is appropriate for the slip stream gained on 'strong' ???

But yeah, its cheap.

 

[Deko Wolf-GTPT]

I'm on the fence about this so I want to put it to you guys for a general opinion. When drafting on a straight Ive had on many occasions the driver infront of me weave from one side of the track to the other in an attempt to break the splipstream effect, is this bad sportsmanship or above board and all part of racing? I personally don't do it but I see it all the time.

Well...F.I.A. rules stand that you are allowed to defend your position at least once. So you can move to one side do break the effect, but if your opponent follows, you are not allow to do it again.

But, of course, that's the real world. In games, all hell brakes loose. Obviously your casual opponent will do anything to prevent you from passing. Since there no real penalties, there's no reason why not.

However, I still do it this way...if it's a long straight, and we are at the very begging of said straight, I try and defend my position best I can without contact. But if we're approaching a corner, I don't bother. I rather let my opponent pass rather than getting us both off the track.

Overall, it would be nice if the one getting passe would just accept defeat and carry on with the race. Who knows, the one that made the pass might just spin on the next corner and the overtook driver might just the position back. Patience is your friend!

The GTP OLR says NO.
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=111241


One lane change is allowed. After that it is considered dirty / cheap.

If it's a race related to GTPlanet, then yes. I completely agree.
However, if it's just a casual race between random people that you met online, those rules don't really apply. It's not like those sacred rules come attached to the game, sadly.

 

[mrkevans]

Once I think is ok but when its all the way down the straight weaving from side to side its a bit over the top, its quite funny if they crash while doing it mind you!