where is number 13 on the grid ?

[m7ammed]

http://www.fia.com/mediacentre/Press_Releases/FIA_Sport/2008/January/040108-01.html

so why there isn't a number 13 on the grid ?

 

[Venari]

13 is considered by some to be an unlucky number.

 

[Jim Prower]

It's called Triskaidekaphobia

I'm serious. Enough people are afraid of the number 13 that in hospitals the number never shows up. There is no room 13, 113, 213, etc.

 

[DQuaN]

Yeah, but the person on the 14th floor.... You know what floor you're really on!

If you try to commit suicide by jumping out of the window, you will die sooner than you expected!

[/mitch hedberg]

 

[m7ammed]

13 is considered by some to be an unlucky number.

but does the FIA see it as an unlucky number? or do the drivers and thats why its not there?

 

[TheCracker]

Drivers/teams don't want it, FIA won't push it.

 

[Touring Mars]

Didn't ever notice that there is no Car 13 in Formula One... e.g.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Formula_One_season 💡

Bunch of superstitious crap if you ask me.

 

[Muzaffar]

Didn't ever notice that there is no Car 13 in Formula One... e.g.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Formula_One_season 💡

Bunch of superstitious crap if you ask me.

Exactly.

I consider 13 as my lucky number (don't know why, but it does!)

 

[Hun200kmh]

Exactly.

I consider 13 as my lucky number (don't know why, but it does!)

Same here (13th October is my birthday, so I don't really have a choice, even when it's friday).

But ... that's equally supersticious


About #13 and F1 I found this link:

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/01/09/your-questions-f1-and-the-number-13/

 

[Famine]

It's ridiculous when you consider they'll have a 13th race, a 13th placed driver, the ability to have 13 points...

 

[Omnis]

How do you think Takuma Sato felt about the number 4? And his season justified the bad luck!

 

[Famine]

How do you think Takuma Sato felt about the number 4? And his season justified the bad luck!

I thought it was the Chinese who felt strongly about fours, given that it sounds like death in Cantonese...

 

[MagpieRacer]

It's ridiculous when you consider they'll have a 13th race, a 13th placed driver, the ability to have 13 points...

And they will have to race in the 2013 season. Not to mention race days being on the 13th day of the month.

 

[Pupik]

I thought it was the Chinese who felt strongly about fours, given that it sounds like death in Cantonese...

It's the same in Japanese: 死 (death) has the same pronunciation (shi) as four 四.

It should be noted that the #13 was used in Grand Prix racing on two occasions: [wikipedia]Moises Solana[/wikipedia] used it for his BRM in the 1963 Mexican Grand Prix. In 1976, [wikipedia]Divina Galica[/wikipedia] also used it for her privately-entered Surtees in the British GP, except she failed to qualify for the race.

 

[Famine]

Four is usually "yon" in Japanese. "Shi" only really occurs in phone numbers (along with shichi instead of nana for seven).

 

[Sureboss]

The amount of times though, that when someone is supposed to deliver something to our house, it ends up at next door (to the west), they see 11 next door (to the east) and assume we are number 13.

All a load of bollocks though. Unlucky numbers? Not on your nelly.

 

[Jim Prower]

Well, no, not really, but people still feel it's unlucky, anyway. They wouldnt' have named a phobia after it if they hadn't. It's a viable, clinical fear, and sports teams tend to be superstitious, anyway.

 

[nitro_2005]

Football teams have players who have 13 on their shirts, so I don't see any problem with having 13 on an F1 car. Personally, I would have numbers 13 and 14 on my team cars, just to prove I'm not scared of all the superstitious crap everyone goes on about

 

[Sureboss]

Well, no, not really, but people still feel it's unlucky, anyway. They wouldnt' have named a phobia after it if they hadn't. It's a viable, clinical fear, and sports teams tend to be superstitious, anyway.

I'm not saying people can't have it as a fear (come on!) it's a load of tosh though.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

I always thought of the number 13 as the marker that separates the men from the boys. Because a full grid holds 24 cars, but there's no number 13, they're numbered 1-12 and 14-25. And with car numbers being awarded based on championship finishing positions, this makes for what I like to call the Thirteen Rule: any cars with a number above 13 are the ones to watch as they had a strong season, but those carrying anything from 14 down have a lot of work to do.

 

[m7ammed]

so do people finish in 13th in championship table? in races ? I've started questioning this lol as I've just noticed this and you never really care if somebody finished outside the top 10

 

[Pupik]

Four is usually "yon" in Japanese. "Shi" only really occurs in phone numbers (along with shichi instead of nana for seven).

My Japanese teacher from long ago told us that the secondary pronunciation came about after superstition; they are indeed homophones. In fact, the verb "to die" (pronunced: shi[nu]) is the only Japanese verb ending in "-nu", which also sort of unusual.

Since there was an indigenous Japanese language before Han characters (kanji) were brought over to Japan, and numbers are usually some of the first conceptual bits of any spoken language, it could be that the Japanese-native (kun) pronunciations existed before they even knew there was going to be a similar word (on-pronunciation) for death. It's a "chicken or the egg" scenario that I've always wondered about, honestly.

The number 13 is rarely used in motorsports in the United States, incidently: I can't think of too many entries with that number, except for a mid-1990s NASCAR entry driven by Jerry Nadeau. His aqua-colored car was part-owned by American-football player [wikipedia]Dan Marino[/wikipedia], who used (you guessed it) #13 on his jerseys.

Edit: Digging up some more info shows that Carel de Beufort used it in practice once, on his spare car.

Greg Ray used it in the IRL during 2003-04 seasons:

 

[daan]

Funnily enough, the Christmas double issue of Autosport had an article on racing superstitions. I'll type in the bit about 13

...
Let's cut to the chase. The real biggie when it comes to superstitions is the number 13. Ooooh! Now you're talking. Only twice has it been used for F1 World Championship events. Moises Solana Gomez raced a BRM P57 at the 1963 Mexican Grand Prix for Scuderia Centro Sud. He qualified 11th (last) and his engine blew up with 8 laps remaining. Sadly, he was killed 6 years later, when his McLaren M6B ploughed into a bridge on the Valle de Bravo-Bosencheve hillclimb in his native Mexico.

The 2nd person brave enough (or stupd, you decide) to try number 13 was Davina Galica, who attempted to qualify a Surtees TS16 for the 1976 British GP and Brands Hatch. She qualified 28th... on a grid that could only start 26 cars. Perhaps that was a good thing under the circumstances.

It may be that the trigger for the aversion to 13 as a competition number was the death of Count Giulio Maserati in the 1926 Targa Florio. His Delage carried the dreaded digits when he crashed fatally. Maserati was no mug, having won the event twice before. Decades later another Italian star, Alberto Ascari, who was famously terrified of black cats, died with 13 GP victories to his name. He was killed testing at Monza on May 26, 1955. His father, Antonio, Who died in the 1925 French GP, perished on July 26. The car number both were using when they were killed? 26 - The next multiple of 13.

Feeling creepy yet? Well, how about Dick Seaman, who crashed with 13 laps to go of the Belgian GP at kilometre 13 of Spa-Francorchamps. Count down the entry list from the top, and his was the 13th down. He was 26, and so was the number of his car. The hotel room in which he died that evening was 39. And that happened in 19... you guessed it, 39. Chevron founder Derek Bennett went one further: as well as avoiding the number 13, he also dodged 11 and its multiples. Therefore we had the Chevron B10A and the B12A instead of 11 and 13, and no 22, 33, or 44. He died on March 22, his 11th day in hospital after crashing his hang glider at the age of 44. Yikes!

In NASCAR, two-time Winston Cup champion Joe Weatherly refused to start from position 13 on the grid at Bristol in 1962, and organisers had to officially change it to 12A. He then refused to enter the 13th Southern 500 at Darlington until the name was changed to the "12th Renewal of the Southern 500".

On 2 wheels, Sapin's Angel Nieto won 13 world titles between 1969 and 1984, but refuses to acknowledge this, referring to them as "12-plus-one". I have witnessed him walk away from a group if a 13th person joins. He wouldn't even say the word "thirteen", which was tricky as that was what i wanted to talk to him about.
...

EDIT: Dick Seaman's name is in no way, shape or form, funny

Greg Ray used it in the IRL during 2003-04 seasons:

And he seems to be doing fine with it. Actually, no. I've looked closer at the photo and I think I can see the beginnings of a puncture.

 

[Alex.]

I am not going to laugh at that.



Oops.

Moving on, I cant see why people believe in these superstitions. ok if you really think you saw a UFO or a ghost thats visible evidence, but becuase on bloke said 13 was unlucky several fifillion years ago (unless there is a story of some sort, most probably) is not good.

 

[peterjford]

Greg Ray used it in the IRL during 2003-04 seasons:

And he seems to be doing fine with it. Actually, no. I've looked closer at the photo and I think I can see the beginnings of a puncture.

Yes, but he is already in the pit lane, surely he went on to a fine finish.

 

[m7ammed]

so what was Senna's number they should remove that one too

 

[Venari]

VTEC KICKED IN - YO!​

 

[Famine]

so what was Senna's number they should remove that one too

Car numbers aren't like jersey numbers. They're assigned by the Formula One Administration at the start of each season - the Championship-winning Driver gets car #1 and his teammate gets #2 (unless the winning driver has retired, then #0 and #2 are assigned to the Constructors' Champion). The numbers are then assigned, in pairs, to the teams in Constructors' Championship order - #3 and #4 to the highest-placed constructor without an assigned number, #5 and #6 to the next, and so on.

Senna drove with a variety of numbers in his F1 career - #19, #12 a few times, #11, #1, #27, #1 again twice, #8 and, finally, #2.

 

[Stevisiov]

You'd be buggered if your unlucky number was 1 and its multiples...

that said I don't belive in luck/unluck numbers so here it goes:
13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13,13....































...oh noes

 

[Venari]

Senna drove with a variety of numbers in his F1 career - #19, #12 a few times, #11, #1, #27, #1 again twice, #8 and, finally, #2.

They offered him #0, apparently. Senna's typically laconic reply: "I am not a 'zero'."