Who has used the DualShock 2 to defeat Mission 34?

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I have seen many threads and some videos regarding this difficult mission. I have not been able to determine from them if people are beating the Mission 34 (NTSC) with the DS2.

I know from watching the videos and reading some of the write-ups that many who have beat Mission 34 are using a DFP. I can tell because you can see in many corners the use of both brakes and gas. Is this called trail braking? If not, what is trail braking. Many write-ups say it is necessary to use trail braking with the Maclaren. Either way this is very hard with a DS2. I use the buttons and I have a hard time controlling both brake and gas with my thumb. I would love to get a DFP, but I don't see how I can geone in the middle of my family room without any complaint from my wife.

If anyone has specific tips for beating this mission with the DS2 or a video of a run using the DS2 that would be even better.
 
I have, no video though :( . Don't sweat it so much. If you use a DS2, it's not impossible to get the same line as what you see from videos with people who use steering wheels. Just pay attention to their line and get the braking points right. But make sure you are familiar with the course and car, or else those videos aren't much help
 
sumbodycool
I have, no video though :( . Don't sweat it so much. If you use a DS2, it's not impossible to get the same line as what you see from videos with people who use steering wheels. Just pay attention to their line and get the braking points right. But make sure you are familiar with the course and car, or else those videos aren't much help
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I agree with the above post ,learn to drive one corner at a time ,using DS2 i did a time of 13:00.09
 
I used a Dual Shock 2 Controllor to beat M34, after a week of attempts :yuck: . My time was 12:6x.xxx. I definately got alot importanted tips from the write up section.
 
TheTaZ
Is this called trail braking? If not, what is trail braking.
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Trail braking is not the simultaneous use of brake and throttle, it is simply the act of entering the turn (steering) while still on the brakes. Trail braking is very difficult in some cars because the weight transfer of braking unloads the rear wheels, and steering with the back end light will cause the rear to try to step out and spin the car. Trail braking is most useful in a turn that tightens up as you enter it, decreasing radius. If you do all your braking before entering the turn, then part of the turn is taken slower than it should be. BergWerk begs for trail braking.

Using the throttle and brake simultaneously is a method of restoring balance to the car, like if it's trying to spin, pop a little gas but keep some brake, just to put weight on the rear wheels and give them grip. In turbo cars with severe lag (the boost doesn't come on till a second or so after the throttle is applied) throttle while braking can keep the turbo spinning and keep the boost up sooner after braking.

As for controller, I use the DS2, because I'm too cheap to use anything else, but I haven't beaten the mission, yet, still about 2 seconds off at best.
 
wfooshee
Trail braking is not the simultaneous use of brake and throttle, it is simply the act of entering the turn (steering) while still on the brakes. Trail braking is very difficult in some cars because the weight transfer of braking unloads the rear wheels, and steering with the back end light will cause the rear to try to step out and spin the car. Trail braking is most useful in a turn that tightens up as you enter it, decreasing radius. If you do all your braking before entering the turn, then part of the turn is taken slower than it should be. BergWerk begs for trail braking.

Using the throttle and brake simultaneously is a method of restoring balance to the car, like if it's trying to spin, pop a little gas but keep some brake, just to put weight on the rear wheels and give them grip. In turbo cars with severe lag (the boost doesn't come on till a second or so after the throttle is applied) throttle while braking can keep the turbo spinning and keep the boost up sooner after braking.

As for controller, I use the DS2, because I'm too cheap to use anything else, but I haven't beaten the mission, yet, still about 2 seconds off at best.
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Wow awesome infos there.
 
Sti04
I used a Dual Shock 2 Controllor to beat M34, after a week of attempts :yuck: . My time was 12:6x.xxx. I definately got alot importanted tips from the write up section.
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Trini.
I agree with the above post ,learn to drive one corner at a time ,using DS2 i did a time of 13:00.09.
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Where are you guys coming up with these times. It ususally takes 9:12.XX to win this race?
 
I must concur.

My personal favourite is 12:6x.xxx. Last time I checked there were only 60 seconds in a minute. Have they decimalised it?
 
I think using the DS2 is alot easier to do some left-foot or trail braking. I know it's been said many times but one of the keys to beating Mission 34 is smooth braking (i.e. not jamming on the brakes).

Wall riding and chicane cutting also helps. ;)
 
I did it using a DS2, was not easy, I couldnt do it "clean" so I took the dirty route, and I know the Nur pretty well, hats off to the guys who did it clean.

Dan.
 
TheTaZ
Where are you guys coming up with these times. It ususally takes 9:12.XX to win this race?
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lol both you and Famine caught me. :crazy: yeah my mind was somewhere else when I wrote the time. my time was actually 9:12.6xx and SL300's time was 9:13.2xx :dopey:
 
Yep, I've beat it twice now with the DS2 (PAL version).

Video of the second run through (~20MB). Not the best quality, but decent enough.

There are two occasions in this where I leave the track. The first time is just after I pass the 5th placed AI car. I have to move offline to pass it and enter the next corner at too shallow an angle. Then when I get back onto the track I give it some squirt and find myself off again. Also, at the last chicane I elect to take to the grass to avoid a spin/contact with the SLK. The time is 9'15.816, not fantastic, but good enough to win. I may try in the future to get a fully clean OLR standard lap that's good enough to win on NTSC aswell (~9'12.*).
 
i beat it recently with a logitech wireless controller. its essentially the same as the ds2, just a bit wider. i dont remember my time, but i won by half a second.
 
amp88
Yep, I've beat it twice now with the DS2 (PAL version).

Video of the second run through (~20MB). Not the best quality, but decent enough.

There are two occasions in this where I leave the track. The first time is just after I pass the 5th placed AI car. I have to move offline to pass it and enter the next corner at too shallow an angle. Then when I get back onto the track I give it some squirt and find myself off again. Also, at the last chicane I elect to take to the grass to avoid a spin/contact with the SLK. The time is 9'15.816, not fantastic, but good enough to win. I may try in the future to get a fully clean OLR standard lap that's good enough to win on NTSC aswell (~9'12.*).
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Correct me if I am wrong but the Pal verson has a 8 second head start so you have to beat the Pal around 9'04:XXX to have chance at the NTSC time. Maybe my math is wrong, but sounds right to me!
 
Ragnar1211
Correct me if I am wrong but the Pal verson has a 8 second head start so you have to beat the Pal around 9'04:XXX to have chance at the NTSC time. Maybe my math is wrong, but sounds right to me!
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Well that time you gave to beat the pal version isnt quite right. The cars have a 123 second head start, but in order to acutally beat the mission you have to lap sub 9:13 in order to have a high chance of finishing the mission.

As I have the PAL version, took me about 1 week of practicing. The delay at the start was really starting to annoy me though. Though I did manage to pass the mission cleanly (no short cuts, there was the odd nudge here and there as the cars tried to stay on the racing line as I was coming through). I even saved the replay of it.
 
Ragnar1211
Correct me if I am wrong but the Pal verson has a 8 second head start so you have to beat the Pal around 9'04:XXX to have chance at the NTSC time. Maybe my math is wrong, but sounds right to me!
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In this thread, the topic creator wins with a time of 9’12.622 in the NTSC version.
 
TheTaZ
I know from watching the videos and reading some of the write-ups that many who have beat Mission 34 are using a DFP. I can tell because you can see in many corners the use of both brakes and gas.
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You can do simultaneous gas/brake on the DS2 also, and it is indeed VERY helpful throughout the game. Just position your thumb so that you can nudge the brake with the tip of it. It takes some getting used to and a lot of practice, but it is a very useful skill to acquire, especially for those of us too cheap to buy a DFP wheel. :)
 
i used the wheel the first time i did the mission34. it took me about 6 goes
then i went back one month later an did it wit the ds2, and i actually past the last car b4 T10, so i guess the DS2 is way easier to use 4 this mission, IMO. whenever u need to drift at all, i fin the ds22 b an advantage
 
amp88
In this thread, the topic creator wins with a time of 9’12.622 in the NTSC version.
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The point I was making was that in the NTSC version you start at 2'03.000, in PAL you start at 1'55.000. Thereby if you run a 7'09.XXX lap in either case you will finish around 9:12.XXX (NTSC) or 9:04.XXX in PAL.

So if a PAL fellow wants to say he ran good enough to beat the NTSC version - I was just doing the math to prove the time. :)
 
Mission #34 :crazy: :scared:

Started a thread on this a while back (got moved to the Wright up section) has many pages of info and vidio links.

I beat it FINALLY after several weeks by less than a second. Used a DS2

If its the North American version - short cuts and wall riding the hard right at the beginning of the back straight it the only way to beat it i found, just watch out for the penalties :ouch: .
 
im tryin not to bu ya wheel cuz it will end up through the wall like my DS2 :scared:
 

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