Who Owns Cummins? It's a Shocker.
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- gdwest1
I'm like the least pick-up-y guy, and I can tell you that an F150 Lightning has nothing to do with what is being discussed here. That's a show truck for posers who didn't want a Mustang.
What's being talked about here are large (half ton or bigger) pickups which have obnoxious amounts of torque, designed to pull things.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that a Lightning couldn't tow half as much weight as an F350, Ram 3500, etc. Especially up a hill.
And don't mention what happens when you try to stop it coming the other way.
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- Nottingham
I have mud life magazine on facebook and all I see is trucks tip toeing in mud
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- slashfan7964
You realize there is way more truck pages than just that right?
That's exactly true. The lightning wasn't meant to tow like a F250/350/3500 was.
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- gdwest1
But that's not a thing. Big pickups aren't supposed to go off-roading...
Raptors, TRD's and the like do all that stuff. Big trucks are too heavy.
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- slashfan7964
That depends. Maybe not so much now, but back in the 60s and 70s, hell even early 80s, that was a big selling point. Ford's commercials in particular capitalized on that point the most.
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- Zenith113
You don't seem to understand the difference between different trucks. I'm going to explain this to you like you're five.
This is an F-150. It is good for hauling things and has 4WD to be capable at hauling things off-road. It is a working vehicle. It is useful for many people who haul things that an SUV or van can't haul very well.
This is a Dodge RAM 3500. It is a bigger pick up truck that can haul things in its bed and can tow heavy weight. It uses a Cummins Diesel to do this. Diesel trucks like this are available in many sizes, but in general they are used to tow heavy loads. The engine maker is the subject of this thread and makes engines for Dodge and Toyota pickup trucks, as well as Semi Trucks. These are not meant to be off-road vehicles.
This is another F-150. This is similar to the first truck I posted. It is still good at hauling stuff, but it has been modified to work even better off-road. Depending on the modifications, it can be used in mud, mountains, or in sand dunes. A well modified truck is a much better off-roader than a stock Land-Rover. Similar modifications can be applied to SUV's.
This is another F-150. This one comes from the factory modified to work even better off-road. Trucks like this are miles better at off-roading than a Land Rover. They are working vehicles cross-bred with off-road vehicles. A Land Rover is a luxury vehicle cross-bred with an off-road vehicle.
This is another F-150. This one comes from the factory modified to work better on the road. It can still be a working vehicle like the first F-150, but this was mostly an experiment by SVT to see if they could make a truck into a sports truck. They didn't. This is the truck that Clarkson reviewed. It is very much unlike any of the trucks above.
You know how there are different cars for different jobs? Same with trucks.
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- Nottingham
Looks luxurious doesn't it. Thanks for clearing it up.
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- slashfan7964
Yeah, pizza cutter tires are going to get you real far
Looks luxurious doesn't it. Thanks for clearing it up.
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- Nottingham
The first car that most of the world saw. And it got the British army far.
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- slashfan7964
You try taking that anywhere offroad around here and you'll get stuck in 5 minutes. It has no ground clearance and the tires have very bad cleanout.
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- Nottingham
What are the off road conditions around you then?
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- slashfan7964
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- slashfan7964
Not impressed, anything with a snorkel can do that.
Looks like they got really far. Pictures mean nothing to me. For all you know they all could be stuck.
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- Nottingham
Camel trophy all pictured land rovers made it. The only year they didn't make it was in 1980 when they used jeeps.
There's a documentry about it on youtube. Also look at the g4 challenge.
There's a documentry about it on youtube. Also look at the g4 challenge.
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- Zenith113
Looks luxurious doesn't it. Thanks for clearing it up.
The Land Rovers that you posted in this thread, the Land Rovers that you are referring to when you reference Jeremy Clarkson are not this Land Rover.
You can post as much off-road porn as you want, but that doesn't make a Land Rover the superior off-roader. Clarkson's opinion is absolutely useless here (and pretty much everywhere with knowledgeable car people).
Land Rovers are great off-roaders, especially for the level of comfort they offer, but there are many better road-legal off-roaders. This includes modified pickups and factory off-roaders like the Ford Raptor. Get over it.
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- Nottingham
Clarkson dislikes land rovers he thinks they are for farmers and murders. Richard Hammond is my favorite top gear presenter, he loves land rovers btw. If the ford Raptors and big American trucks are so good, why doesn't the American army use them? The British army has used Land rovers successfully in operations for decades.
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- Zenith113
I don't care.
I don't care.
Because the American Army isn't silly enough to try to convert a road car into an armored vehicle. They get one designed from the ground up.
US Border Patrol uses Raptors. Not that that even matters in the slightest.
How good an off-roader is is not decided based on what military uses it, it is decided based on how good of an off-roader it is.
Let me put this plainly:
You have demonstrated that you know nothing about vehicle dynamics. You're 15. Fine. That's okay. However, several people including myself in this thread have tried to steer you in the right direction. You are instead descending further into idiotic means of judging a vehicle's capabilities.
We know more than you about this. Listen to people who know more than you.
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I've demonstrated I cannot work out which truck is better. and the land rover was built for the army in 1948 so it is built from the ground up for military use. The hard bit I'm struggling to work out is why no one else in the world uses these great american off road trucks.
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- slashfan7964
You realize these "great American off road trucks" are the best selling vehicle in North America, period, correct?
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Yes, I know this the Ford F-series is. But if they are so great, why aren't they used by anyone in other countries.
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- slashfan7964
Because no one can afford the gas they suck up.
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Ah, so it's actually sort of useless because the Land Rover gets the job does as well for less expense and less fuel. Which leads me again to a conclusion that Land Rovers are better.
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- slashfan7964
How thick are you?
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Ok, American trucks is brilliant, depending on what truck and the conditions. Land Rovers are average everywhere and get the job done.
dhandeh
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If Land Rovers were American, this pissing contest would be over, as they are British, our friend Slash isn't going to budge.
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dhandeh what's your opinion?
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You can see where. I'm coming from though.
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