Who was GT5 made for?

[kitchenboy3]

Quick Note: Please stay on the topic of "WHO GT5 was made FOR", as per the threadstarter's wishes. Because if this does turn into a GT5 Complaints thread, it will end up closed because we have enough of those.

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Personally... I think GT5 is directed at the same audience every GT since GT1 has been aimed at... the general automotive enthusiast and casual racer. It's patently not aimed at video-gamers, as it doesn't always follow video game conventions, nor does it seem to incorporate gameplay innovations or tricks that other video-games use. And it's not a full-bore racing sim, given the general nature of the tuning and the quick-tuning shortcuts available.

In other words. It's aimed at the twenty-something to fifty-something driver who spends a few weekends a year at the track (or even merely dreams about it) and is genuinely interested in a wide variety of cars. That the GT series somehow manages to appeal to teenagers and regular gamers as well is merely thanks to the depth and breadth of GT's scope.

It's not perfect, but that doesn't matter. I fall squarely within the target demographic of Gran Turismo, so it's fine by me.

I am one of those 50 something guys and I fully agree with you, one of the reasons I play games at all is because of the GT series.
And here, I believe, lies the crux of the matter: all posters on here have been playing most if not all of the GT games, so they are enthusiasts, even if they are complaining they still play, so they are enthusiasts.
I could be wrong but I don't think any other games series has a dedicated forum like this, a forum for the enthusiast.
SO, THIS is who GT 5 is for: us, the enthusiasts

 

[dhandeh]

It was built for everyone, but unfortunately failed.

As one of the reviews said, its a 10 out of 10 simulator in a 5 out of 10 game.

Those that like racing will love it, those that are more casual when it comes to racing, will struggle to get into it.

 

[kitchenboy3]

It was built for everyone, but unfortunately failed.

As one of the reviews said, its a 10 out of 10 simulator in a 5 out of 10 game.

Those that like racing will love it, those that are more casual when it comes to racing, will struggle to get into it.

Okay, so why oh why would someone who does not like racing buy this game.
Do people not infrom themselves of what a certain game is about BEFORE buying?
That would be like me complaining about Modern Warfare while saying i don't like FPS.

 

[RogsR34UK]

For the Hardcore (for want of a better description) GT Fan they are the ones who will (probably) get their money's worth from the game and will be the only ones determined enough to get to A spec Lv 40. I would love to get to Lv 40, but I can see it being a struggle. I will I suspect try very hard to obtain every car in the game. Does anyone know if the size of your garage is limited? It would be utter frustration to reach 1000 cars only to realise that was the limit.

For a Casual Gamer the game is almost a disaster, though there is always the Arcade side of things. I can see there being rather a lot of trade-ins on this after Christmas. I would love to see the Sales figures by month-end and also the number of trade ins (which is presumably more difficult to know). It could make for some interesting reading.

 

[tdk]

I've been a fan since the first one and this is by far the worst.

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Sorry hit post reply accidentally.


I could go on and on about how bad it is, and it's obvious they geared it towards the general gamers to sell more copies and they failed. I'd like to call the game "GT5 prologue extended" but then again, they removed a few features that existed in prologue...

Considering the delays, I think they just wanted to get it over with and start working on GT6. This game is nothing but an incomplete beta version of what should've been GT5.

 

[dhandeh]

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Okay, so why oh why would someone who does not like racing buy this game.
Do people not infrom themselves of what a certain game is about BEFORE buying?
That would be like me complaining about Modern Warfare while saying i don't like FPS.

Where did I say they wouldn't buy it? I said the casual racer may struggle to get into it! They would be used to the nfs style of racing and the prospect of racing a civic for the first couple of hours may not immediately appeal to them.

To the casual buyers, the adverts show action, thrills and spills. To us that have now played it, we know the physics are good but the game side lacking.

 

[magburner]

Considering the delays, I think they just wanted to get it over with and start working on GT6.

That doesn't make nay kind of sense. So KY was thinking about the next game based on this game, that is why he never made an effort!? I've said this before GT5 arrived, and I'll say it again. GT6, will not be the game you think it is.

There are too many people looking in the next field and thinking the grass looks greener there, well it isn't (but you are more than welcome to go there if you think it might be). Let KY create the game he wants to create, and stop pulling him up on silly tedious things that are of little importance! 👍

 

[tdk]

That doesn't make nay kind of sense. So KY was thinking about the next game based on this game, that is why he never made an effort!? I've said this before GT5 arrived, and I'll say it again. GT6, will not be the game you think it is.

There are too many people looking in the next field and thinking the grass looks greener there, well it isn't (but you are more than welcome to go there if you think it might be). Let KY create the game he wants to create, and stop pulling him up on silly tedious things that are of little importance! 👍

It makes perfect sense. They saw how people got mad after the last delay and decided to say **** it we'll just start selling. There is no other explanation for the 100000 step backs. Silly things? If they were so silly, why were they included in GT4 and even GT5P? We don't want any new features, we just want some of the features that made the old GTs stand out, and the new feature they PROMISED AND PREVIEWED before the release. Anyone with free time and money could easily sue them for false advertisement.

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Come on, not even the replays work. It's finished 100 meters before the finish line and it doesn't show the lap time. Forget director mode from GT4, at least let us see the full replay like we did in GT5P

 

[SuperCobraJet]

IMO it is pretty clear who this game was made for.

Sony's corporate/business/marketing model.

Formed primarily from the demographic marketing gamer analysis.

Part of which is to subsidise the " free online " fantasy.
(Take it to the bank, nothing is free)
The content part of the game was gutted to cover this, and just get you to the trough.
Also part of the same scheme, will be paid DLC before long.

Hence why the game has the good graphics and physics, 1000 cars, and not much else.

This being the case, I believe you will probably see more of the same in GT6, unless they go to paid online, which is subject to happen at anytime, and likely eventually.
(the sooner the better in my mind so the game content is not sacrificed to subsidise the online)
Otherwise there will always be a problem providing the resources to keep up a satisfactory online service.(and they must come from somewhere)

JMO.

 

[MCX]

I am one of those 50 something guys and I fully agree with you, one of the reasons I play games at all is because of the GT series.
And here, I believe, lies the crux of the matter: all posters on here have been playing most if not all of the GT games, so they are enthusiasts, even if they are complaining they still play, so they are enthusiasts.
I could be wrong but I don't think any other games series has a dedicated forum like this, a forum for the enthusiast.
SO, THIS is who GT 5 is for: us, the enthusiasts

What? In no way can you say that GT5 is for the GT enthusiast. They removed some of the most loved features and did not add some of the basic features that fans have been begging for. They also took however many years to import GT4 car models and have the nerve to advertise the game as containing over 1000 cars. Notice PD does not showcase "standard" cars in the promos, which would lead the uneducated buyer to believe the game has 1000 cars that look as good as the demo videos.

It was built for everyone, but unfortunately failed.

As one of the reviews said, its a 10 out of 10 simulator in a 5 out of 10 game.

Those that like racing will love it, those that are more casual when it comes to racing, will struggle to get into it.

This.

I've been a fan since the first one and this is by far the worst.

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Sorry hit post reply accidentally.


I could go on and on about how bad it is, and it's obvious they geared it towards the general gamers to sell more copies and they failed. I'd like to call the game "GT5 prologue extended" but then again, they removed a few features that existed in prologue...

Considering the delays, I think they just wanted to get it over with and start working on GT6. This game is nothing but an incomplete beta version of what should've been GT5.

Shoulda stopped before the edit. The gt6/beta stuff is nonsense. They released the game they wanted to release.

It was made for fanboys. Yes fanboys only.

Lol, but wrong. It was made for profit and to fuel the ego of KY, and it has done that. The fanboys are the only ones that will defend it.

IMO it is pretty clear who this game was made for.

Sony's corporate/business/marketing model.

Formed primarily from the demographic marketing gamer analysis.

Part of which is to subsidise the " free online " fantasy.
(Take it to the bank, nothing is free)
The content part of the game was gutted to cover this, and just get you to the trough.
Also part of the same scheme, will be paid DLC before long.

Hence why the game has the good graphics and physics, 1000 cars, and not much else.

This being the case, I believe you will probably see more of the same in GT6, unless they go to paid online, which is subject to happen at anytime, and likely eventually.
(the sooner the better in my mind so the game content is not sacrificed to subsidise the online)
Otherwise there will always be a problem providing the resources to keep up a satisfactory online service.(and they must come from somewhere)

JMO.

YOIW. First half, marketing, etc. is correct. The part about paid online is incorrect. Even when the paid online model happens, you will still be charged for DLC, so don't go wishing for that. Just like Live, PSN isn't going to be known for leaving money on the table.

My response to the original question? I don't know, I'm with you, I don't think the game is really fun. I play it when I have nothing better to do, and even then, I consider it a grind.

 

[SuperCobraJet]

YOIW. First half, marketing, etc. is correct. The part about paid online is incorrect. Even when the paid online model happens, you will still be charged for DLC, so don't go wishing for that. Just like Live, PSN isn't going to be known for leaving money on the table.

Sure you will be charged for the DLC as well. Thats fine by me.

My point is, don't shortchange the the guy like me who pays 60 bucks for a
good indepth and full content game, to subsidise the "free online" aspect of the game, which of course is not free.

Let online players pay for the online.

If this does not happen, I don't believe you will ever see another GT on the
level and depth of a GT4 again.

 

[Christoforo]

It was made for Kaz.

 

[JeffKill]

It was made for fanboys. Yes fanboys only.

I disagree. I played nothing but Forza (1,2,& 3) up until GT5, and now I can't even bare to play Forza for more than 10 minutes, before turning it off and switching back to GT5. It's all a matter of preference.

GT5 was definitely made for me, as I can't get enough of it. If others don't like it and prefer other games, that's fine too. To each his own. Too bad there are so many know it all's on this site that think their opinion is all that matters 👎

 

[littlesthobo]

GT5 was definitely made for me, as I can't get enough of it. If others don't like it and prefer other games, that's fine too. To each his own. Too bad there are so many know it all's on this site that think their opinion is all that matters 👎

Spot on 👍 I played Forza 3 from It's release date only as a stop gap till GT5's release..now I just cannot go back to FM3 it pales in comparison...but I understand that others disagree!

 

[7HO]

I don't think GT5 is running anywhere near the PS3's limits, sorry to say. In fact, when you look at other first party Sony games, GT doesn't "shine", don't get me wrong, there's moments of beauty in there, but GT6 could still be on PS3 and carry that beauty across the whole game. I think "optimisation" is the keyword. GT5 is poorly optimised.

Who it's for? Well, it's for people who love cars, same as it's always been.

Kaz said it is at the limits. Even if optimisation is the issue it doesn't nullify what I said that "running on the GT5 engine the PS3 is at its limits" and we have confirmation from Kaz. Since we also know that GT6 will be running on the GT5 engine it stands to reason that unless the engine is improved GT6 will need to be compromised to run on a PS3 just like GT5 is now, well at least as far as what Kaz has said he wants to include but is currently unable to.

 

[albteman015]

First of all thank you for answering my questions and not getting into and argument because that is rare here now days.

This question is irrelevant, xbox and wii are different platforms just like pc is a different platform, you need the appropriate hardware for the title, it doesn't matter what else that hardware is capable of doing.

I think that it is relevant. I am not gamer so I don't really care which console is better and I actually have the ps3 and the xbox 360. When I was looking for a game that had somewhat realistic physics and for it to be easy enough to still play after a long day GT5 fit that bill the best out of any other console game.

Exactly, the game has the zero setting on all cars, factory cars rarely have a zero setting. Do you really want me to list the factory settings of 1031 cars? No

I am pretty sure stock settings for a lot of cars aren't 0 and I have seen otherwise but I will go check that.

The second part is an opinion yes, although it seems to be a common opinion. The first part isn't opinion, Kaz has alluded to it in his tweets.

Just because something is the common opinion does not make it the only one that matters.

Point 5 doesn't refer to a game, it refers to a fact that has been mentioned by Kaz. A prime example is the limitations of clutch and H shift hardware, Kaz said the reason for implementing this was to even the playing field between controller/paddle shift users and clutch + H shift users. PD intentionally sacrificed realistic simulation for the purpose of hardware parity.

I use a controller so that's why I might have not understood your question. And if that is the case. I also agree with you on that part.

That's a real black or white statement. Most people would consider that kind of behaviour immature. I certainly didn't come here to complain, I come here to discuss and meet other people who plat GT5. I have also described my love/hate relationship so I definitely do not fall into the category of people who hate it that much. Think of it like undercooked pork ribs with no salt, the cook has prepared something with elements of greatness but under delivered, something that is disappointing, all is not lost though, we can cook it a bit more and add some salt.

I didn't mean it towards you personally but in general. It seems illogical to me to play a game you don't like. I say this because most of the threads on this site are never really constructive criticism. They usually start out with a member looking for a shoulder to cry on about the things that he/she does not like about GT5 and then it turns into, "This sucks because...."

Like I said I own both systems and there are things that I hate about gt5 but on the two systems I own, it is my best option. Though I don't feel the need to come here and state what I don't like about the game because it has already been said.

I think it is fair to say I am a car guy, at one point I owned 12 cars, my whole life has revolved around cars, it was my main form of income, I am a panel beater by trade because I am a car guy, when I was younger every spare cent I had went into my cars, that's why I don't own my own home. I'm a car guy who thinks GT5 got dumbed down to much for the gamer.

I actually was speaking with a friend about games in general not to long ago. He said that when a developer starts to try please everyone and tries to put everything their fans wanted in the game, they lose focus on what the developer wanted the game to be. That is where it all goes wrong. If you think about video games like other forms of entertainment media you will see the point. A rock artist will not start rapping because some of his fans want him to. I think this is a valid point. A developer should make the game they want first and then add in what the fans were asking for. That is what the first 4 GT games felt like. Now because sony realizes it is a major title, they want as much profit as possible from it. In that effort they turned it into something that is a lot like pop music, which is made for the biggest group of consumers which are stupid 14 to 17 year old girls. Trying to please many people results in something generic and that is the opposite of unique and special which is what games should be.

Look at Call of duty. 4 was the best one but now every installment is getting worse and worse. Why? I don't know but I am pretty sure the first one was made without any "constructive criticism" from the fans. That turned out to be a good game didn't it?

 

[PirateThom]

Kaz said it is at the limits. Even if optimisation is the issue it doesn't nullify what I said that "running on the GT5 engine the PS3 is at its limits" and we have confirmation from Kaz. Since we also know that GT6 will be running on the GT5 engine it stands to reason that unless the engine is improved GT6 will need to be compromised to run on a PS3 just like GT5 is now, well at least as far as what Kaz has said he wants to include but is currently unable to.

From an engine point of view though, the GT5 engine kind of sucks. Doesn't suck as a base engine, but sucks in terms of how it works on PS3. I have no doubt GT6 will be on PS3 and I have no doubt it won't have all these same issues simply because it can be fixed and optimised. There's a lot of work into assets, but even now and for GT5 patches, they should work on reducing the memory usage. I'm not saying the PS3 is limitless in its resources, but PD could do more to work within that considering the fidelity of other PS3 first party titles.

 

[JackC8]

If Polyphony Digital would just spend the next month working on improving the AI and then issue a patch, you'd have one hell of a fine racing game.

As it is, I guess it appeals to people who like to buy dream cars, blast past the competition in the first quarter mile, and then just enjoy driving these awesome cars really fast for a few laps.

Although I'm very disappointed in a lot of aspects about the game, I'm still enjoying the collecting and driving a tremendous amount.

 

[KilzoneStrife]

GT5 was made for us...but, and a BIG but.. I feel, some manufacturers dangled a carrot in front of Kaz and that distracted the team. Toyota, Nissan, made PD do R and D on car hardware. That took up time. I dont know the kickbacks pd got, be it discounts on licenses etc, but I also dont frankly care. GT got me hooked on gaming. It got me hooked on my then thriving passion, cars, at 9 yrs old, Ive loved and played every single one but, tough love, kaz, dont pass the buck, learn time management.

 

[tdk]

Shoulda stopped before the edit. The gt6/beta stuff is nonsense. They released the game they wanted to release.

You realize that makes it worse, right? So they intentionally stripped it out of stuff we've gotten used to, stuff included in the prologue version and stuff they promised to add?

 

[Gejabo]

I don't care who they madi it for.

I love it, (so call me a 35 year old Fanboy)
Offcourse it has some flaws, but whih game doesn't....

Just raced a friend online at La Sarthe at night in the rain and I was just stunned.

 

[AlexTB]

I totally agree, it's not very exciting compared to say GRID, Dirt or Shift. A big let down. Why would anyone want to grind for hours to get an above average car? But what annoys me the most is the very limited gameplay. I hardly think 100ish races are going to last until Christmas, let alone GT6. Don;t get me wrong, it's a great GT game, but the competition seem to have surpassed it recently.

 

[enilm]

I think PD could make a "perfect" game and people would still complain about it. Wow I can't believe how much people complain about a game. You can't possibly satisfy everyone.

 

[tinram]

I totally agree, it's not very exciting compared to say GRID, Dirt or Shift. A big let down. Why would anyone want to grind for hours to get an above average car? But what annoys me the most is the very limited gameplay. I hardly think 100ish races are going to last until Christmas, let alone GT6. Don;t get me wrong, it's a great GT game, but the competition seem to have surpassed it recently.

There you go, this game is not made for you.

Shift 2 is coming as well as Dirt 3, not a long wait then.

You probably will find GT6 boring too.

 

[speedthrill]

If no one wants to come in here and support GT5 constructively I'll request the thread gets closed, if no one is capable of that the question has been answered.

Stop stalking everybody who comes inhere and tries to defend their point of view... Because you ask a question...
This thread's title has nothing to do with what's going on...

Who was GT5 really made for? Simple answers could do here but no... You need to bring up what you think is wrong with the game, on the moment the mods warned all you guys in the other threads, you go for it again...

Anyway, Go click all the links above the general section, check online racing, photomode, video threads.
Your question is quickly answered. The game is made for people who like what KY makes and who love to share in the vision that cars rule bigtime. And they play it all bigtime, some people more than others.

I think you answered the question already for yourself by asking it. Clearly it is not made for you, because you're asking yourself that question.

And please again, you ask, people with alot of differen opinions will answer. And the points on what you were quoting me wasn't even an answer to you but to a guy who was trolling....

But i wrote "read between the lines, be smart". Not the exact opposite.

 

[birksy82]

The answers simple. It was made for all of the complainers on here to give them something to complain about because without this game i struggle to see what else they would do with their time . On a serious note it was made for people like me who are fans (NOT FANBOYS) from owning the original in 97. GT5 for me has the same enjoyment factor as GT1 did 12 or so years ago , how many other titles have this quality? None imo. Wait for the negative comments to come rolling in .

 

[Arklight]

Not enough simulation for simulation afficianados.

Not enough game elements for casual players.

GT5 is a jack of all trades and a master of jack.

 

[birksy82]

Not enough simulation for simulation afficianados.

Not enough game elements for casual players.

GT5 is a jack of all trades and a master of jack.

And what does that have to do with the topic of this thread?

 

[88mphSlayer]

I think the simplest answer is they made it for fans of the series and not fans of other series, but simply didn't deliver on making a great game.

Personally I think GT6 should just be an MMO where Polyphony can under-deliver early on and build up events much in the same way MMO's release new instances. I simply think the days of Polyphony making a finished product on day of release are over. This isn't really a situation unique to Polyphony, a lot of publishers want to do this model because it's taking too long to actually finish their games, and lets be honest nobody really wants any GT game to actually end they just want to collect all the cars.

 

[7HO]

Stop stalking everybody who comes inhere and tries to defend their point of view... Because you ask a question...
This thread's title has nothing to do with what's going on...

Grow up! I started the thread because I wanted to discuss the question, I automatically subscribe to any thread I post in because obviously I am interested in that topic, stalking? really? You could accuse me of stalking if I checked your post history and harassed you in other threads. What I am doing here is participating in a conversation I started.

Obviously you know me better than I know myself, I must be a troublesome complainer and my question must be whatever you say it is even though all the evidence says otherwise.

Who was GT5 really made for? Simple answers could do here but no... You need to bring up what you think is wrong with the game, on the moment the mods warned all you guys in the other threads, you go for it again...

Simple answers that contain useful information would do, simple smart ass answers containing insults from simple people are not so helpful. For example if someone says "it was made for me" but doesn't say anything about himself that answer is useless. In case you haven't noticed others have now posted constructive answers and there are great points made on both sides.

When did the mods warn me? If you have an issue with negative posts made in this thread, report them and if they are an offending post a mod will remove them.

Anyway, Go click all the links above the general section, check online racing, photomode, video threads.
Your question is quickly answered. The game is made for people who like what KY makes and who love to share in the vision that cars rule bigtime. And they play it all bigtime, some people more than others.

You could have just posted this without all the immaturity and it would have been constructive input.

I think you answered the question already for yourself by asking it. Clearly it is not made for you, because you're asking yourself that question.

Actually that answers a different question, you are a bit of a worry.

And please again, you ask, people with alot of differen opinions will answer. And the points on what you were quoting me wasn't even an answer to you but to a guy who was trolling....

But i wrote "read between the lines, be smart". Not the exact opposite.

I am happy for people with different opinions to answer, I hope they do, as I said if you read through the thread you will find a good conversation from both sides that has been marred by some immature people.

If you were talking to a troll perhaps you should have quoted him in your response instead of structuring your post as an answer to my question.

I'll end this response with a statement made in the fashion of your post, I won't come in here later and claim it was made to someone else.

I know this thread was made for people who are mature enough to post constructively. There is no need to read between the lines, to those that are incapable of talking to adults without being silly go find another thread where you can harass people who have a different opinion to your own.