Whose fault is it?

[Augdogg21]

If ur doing a break away ( intentionally blocking ) then its u at fault however u being in the lead racing your race, the person behind you needs to find a way to pass safely ( via straightawy or overtake on corner ). If they are faster then u then its up to you to decide to let him pass as he will do it eventually. However your killing his time and sorta being a dick if u dont. Its a rAce courtesy thing imo.

 

[CarreraGT]

Reminds me of

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brNtbaMadX4#t=9m32s

And this:

 

[elohim]

well if you looked at the greats like Senna he would put people in that position all the time. He did it because the next time that guy is taking a turn with you he'll think twice about trying to over take you until he is 100 percent positive he can do it, cuz he knows now that he might be in the grass with you again....its just aggressive style of racing and I approve ahha

 

[HumanDestroyah]

Wow, just wow. That vid.

I second that. I had an audience watching it here at work. 👍

If I was blocked like that online, I'd restart the race and battle it out.

 

[thefreshjive]

Reminds me of

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brNtbaMadX4#t=9m32s

Same thing happened to Jorg Bergmeister in 2007 in the 12 hours of Sebring where he was "bumped" by Jamie Melo on the final corner.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQfO1yQ4j3w

It's understandable that this time Bergmeister was having none of that and put Magnussen to the wall.

 

[Verbal]

And this:

Schumacher got penalized for this, but I'm on the fence with this one. Michael intended to choose the inside line for the run down to the next corner and started his move to the right while Rubens was still behind him, but Rubens then decided to take the right side anyway. There Michael left Rubens only an inch to breathe, but he did leave that inch. And when Rubens was running out of road he pulled back. But very, very agressive driving in any case.

 

[TT3AZ]

You deserved to get kicked because you blocked him by purpose, face it man, he was faster, and then you made him loose.

 

[pay2021]

Blocking certainly makes you look like an asshole.

I prefer win and look like an asshole.

 

[bombe32]

That's exactly what I did, got kicked for it.

Then it's your fault.... I would be pissed if someone did that to me and I totally understand the guys who kicked you. Play it fair or bite the apple.

 

[charliec]

Never really understood why people admired him for that. He made some incredibly dangerous and unneeded maneuvers.

*flamesuit on*

Honestly I don't think most people "admired" him for that until he died. What was reckless and aggressive driving became passionate and brave. He was a great humanitarian in Brazil but I think he was a real dick to race against.

I guess the main thing I admire in him is that he was definitely an all or nothing type of guy. He'd win or wreck (or die) trying.

 

[zedextreme8177]

I never weave on the straights. Sometimes, I act like B-spec bob and brake on the straights to give some room for the guy to pass

 

[Khaddar]

He'd win or wreck (or die) trying.

Indeed. I always felt watching Senna that he was prepared to die in a racing car - or to kill someone else. The real tragedy was that he was killed through no fault of his own, but at least he didn't ever cause an accident that killed another driver.

I've never understood why Schumacher was vilified for some of his relatively tame acts of aggression (during his first career; the Barrichello incident was unacceptable) while Senna is idolized by so many.

 

[BWX]

You could give the guy room on the inside, brake early, let him brake late, then pass him on the straight after you get a better launch off the corner. Or, not, whatever...

 

[Big Ron]

That's exactly what I did, got kicked for it.

Then you are not gentle driver but too agressive und uncarefully.

You can block opponents, but only if it is a safe situation, you do it just once per straight and you don´t jeopardize your opponent.

Look at this and see what happens when you block without any care about your opponent



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[charliec]

Indeed. I always felt watching Senna that he was prepared to die in a racing car - or to kill someone else. The real tragedy was that he was killed through no fault of his own, but at least he didn't ever cause an accident that killed another driver.

I've never understood why Schumacher was vilified for some of his relatively tame acts of aggression (during his first career; the Barrichello incident was unacceptable) while Senna is idolized by so many.

Yea, in a weird way I thought that was the saddest part about his death. He seemed destined to die in a spectacular crash, but the fact that it happened during a routine corner due to (probably) mechanical failure and not some daredevil high-speed overtaking maneuver on the outside of a corner or something seems unfair. C'est la vie.

 

[Anghammarad]

Michael intended to choose the inside line for the run down to the next corner (...)

That is not "taking the inside line", that is wrecklessly trying to intimidate your opponents without regard of their safety.

 

[VBR]

"A game is defined by it's rules, if you step outside the rules you are no longer playing the game & therefore cannot possibly win."

GT5 has no rules, therefore for many players anything goes, including blocking when racing online. However, most serious virtual racers will try to stick to some general motor sport rules & every member of this forum should really be aspiring to race according to the GT Planet OLR when online.

Here's a quote from a book called "Going Faster! Mastering The Art Of Race Driving" byThe Skip Barber Shcool Of Racing:

"Blocking-weaving down the straght with your eyes on the mirrors, trying to cut off the driver behind-qualifies you as a lower form of life. Like any other sport, racing requires sportsmanship, and if the only way some racers can win is by weaving in front of faster drivers, prehaps they ought to get out of racing and do something more in keeping with their personalities, we hear professional wrestling pays well."


Also, click on The Good Racecraft Guide in my signature & have a read, especially under the sub heading Drafting.


👍

 

[Culkin]

He pushed someone onto the grass, the guy got kicked the other player lost credits...Youtube videos showing a car sliding on grass to a stop yeah but videos showing guys been pushed off into potential seriously harmful accidents no thats way too extreme for what he did!

 

[defaultoasis]

I love braking in straights when the other guy is drafting, especially in one make races in de la Sarthe & SS7, let him get collision penalty! And when he gets used to it I use fake braking..just to back him off a couple of feet.

But actually..I've only messed around online on those tracks for like 2 or 3 times. In Nurburgring I don't dare doing such things...

 

[freedomweasel]

I love braking in straights when the other guy is drafting, especially in one make races in de la Sarthe & SS7, let him get collision penalty! And when he gets used to it I use fake braking..just to back him off a couple of feet.

But actually..I've only messed around online on those tracks for like 2 or 3 times. In Nurburgring I don't dare doing such things...

👎

 

[Slurm]

If someone gets along-side you, they have a right not to be pushed off the track. It's good that you want to know, but seriously it doesn't take much sense to see. If people drove like this on the nurburgring in the real world, every passing manoeuvre would result in a wreck/death.

 

[TurboProp]

Sounds like racing to me.

 

[smilerftm]

Indeed. I always felt watching Senna that he was prepared to die in a racing car - or to kill someone else. The real tragedy was that he was killed through no fault of his own, but at least he didn't ever cause an accident that killed another driver.

I've never understood why Schumacher was vilified for some of his relatively tame acts of aggression (during his first career; the Barrichello incident was unacceptable) while Senna is idolized by so many.

The exact reason for that is Senna died young. It happens all the time for some reason, if you look at music you can find a lot of examples of what I mean, probably the biggest I can think of is Lennon and McCartney. Lennon dies young and McCartney doesn't and guess who is idolised as the bigger genius despite the fact the other wrote more No.1 hits for The Beatles.

 

[smilerftm]

Sounds like racing to me.

Sounds like demolition derby to me

 

[Verbal]

That is not "taking the inside line", that is wrecklessly trying to intimidate your opponents without regard of their safety.

The point is he starts moving to the right before there even is someone to intimidate...

 

[TurboProp]

Sounds like demolition derby to me

Fact is cars run into each other when trying to occupy the same piece of real estate at a high rate of speed, poop happens. Besides, it was a virtual scenario, nobody got hurt and it didn't cost any money. Move along now nothing to see here....

 

[smilerftm]

Fact is cars run into each other when trying to occupy the same piece of real estate at a high rate of speed, poop happens. Besides, it was a virtual scenario, nobody got hurt and it didn't cost any money. Move along now nothing to see here....

They don't go purposefully ramming each off the road though which is what he did. The point of it being virtual is a mute one as people want to race online in fair races and not have someone ramming them off as soon as they have the opportunity.

 

[freedomweasel]

Fact is cars run into each other when trying to occupy the same piece of real estate at a high rate of speed, poop happens. Besides, it was a virtual scenario, nobody got hurt and it didn't cost any money. Move along now nothing to see here....

You must realize that accidents are different than intentionally running someone off the track.

Virtual or not it's poor sportsmanship.

 

[Devedander]

I thought the one line change rule was an F1 rule?

BTW the problem I have with blocking in GT5 onilne is not so much that people weave when blocking but that no one respects the block or even a line!

From the blatent nose under into a corner then push me out wide because you had to go too fast to get your nose in all the way to stupid things like trying to pass me at speed on the narrowest parts of La Sarthe right before the already tricky high speed breaking sections when realistic traction reduction is on - which is GOING to get messy...

BTW that LS vid points out one more dramatic issue with GT5... replay angles... give us more wide angles and NEVER let the camera get so close to the car all you can see is one panel fillig the whole screen like it does in GT5! At the closest it should show the whole car but most of the time it should show several car lengths ahead and behind!

 

[TurboProp]

They don't go purposefully ramming each off the road though which is what he did. The point of it being virtual is a mute one as people want to race online in fair races and not have someone ramming them off as soon as they have the opportunity.

The word is moot not mute...virtual world, fair races not gonna' happen, too many factors involved (knuckle-heads, connectivity, lag).