Agree completely. If half the people in this game would just grab a stock car, adjust brake balance, turn off the aids, seasonals would be simple. Google lap times at Nordshliefe or Willow Springs and try to replicate the lap times on CS, if it is to hard try SS.Look in %90 of lobbies most are RS tires.
There was more leeway with the first month and a half of the seasonal TTs - I think eran was refering to the people complaining being used to using RS everywhere else in the game. With the earlier seasonals being easier, they were able to catch those times, even on SH - but now that they are tighter, they just can't juggle the car restrictions and still get those times maybe.
After seeing this, I thought I'd attempt to bring some perspective to the issue. I say "attempt" because SCE/PD (we blame PD for everything, but I thought SCE deserved a mention once in a while) put no effort whatsoever into sorting options for TT times/participants. I'm using the Subaru Impreza Super Lap event, as it is closed for updates.
An excellent approach I must say. As it is, Gold has little meaning in most TT's because most people can achieve it with some effort. I would take your concept one step further.
On RS tires with SRF on you mean
If the leaderboards worked like this >>> http://www.mygranturismo.net/ then everyone could have their own leaderboards for whatever combination of aids or lack thereof they choose. But it must be really hard for PD to do..then again one guy did it probably working out of his basement for every single competition in GT5So ABS1 only, where do I fit in
I can't wait PD released a TT with Oullim Spirra '04 ( no tuning ) on comfort tires and no SRF at Bathurst ( rain 50% water ), that would be so epic, epic fail
All true, and I know it's not possible, just a little example of the many ways folks "get around" what "competition" there is in GT6. All I'm saying is no one who uses others' tunes should be on here advocating for harder anything. And I'm still hoping a stat freak supplies some numbers for the overall question I posed above. You restated the assertion that "most" players still get gold; if the 50k figure once posted to me by Vagabond is true (most of the time), "most" do not get gold.
It's possible only half or less get gold on Seasonals I'm only guessing. My idea for what I'd do with TT's is HERE. Essentialy make it easier for everyone to get the prizes, but not so easy to get the higher level recognition of Gold and Platinum. Guys that really want to focus on the TT's can do so for the recognition and feeling of accomplishment, people who aren't nearly as skilled can still particpate and choose a level of aids that gets them the prizes but only a Bronze of Silver ranking. IMO this would bring out more competitiveness, more participation, and it's a win-win for everyone.
Well said.
"Guys that really want to focus on the TT's can do so for the recognition and feeling of accomplishment"....Eh....but.....aren't you guys doing just that now? I probably spent 30+ minutes (that's more than I put into any two Seasonal events, I promise you) yesterday compiling figures someone has at their fingertips in seconds. So I'm not doing it again for another event. But my feeling is most already participate in Seasonals just to feel a sense of accomplishment based on their previous experiences. IE: if someone hates tuning and is just playing GT for drifting, maybe Bronze is all they aspire to and are relieved every time they achieve that much. I feel personally no sense of "recognition" at all getting gold, and I'm fine with that. It was a test, I passed it, time to move on. Why do the tests have to be harder? You say they're a competition....why? Because there's a comparison of times? If I wished to compete against "the world" I'd race online. But I don't play very well with others so I abstain (you're welcome
). I'm in no way trying to be adversarial with you, I like and respect many things I see come from you. But one of us is reading this event incorrectly, or putting more into it than necessary. You super guys can go have a "mother of all races" anytime you want and post all the results here, on YT, wherever. But for me (and how many others?) the Seasonal TTs are simply a way to introduce new events that mix up the cars you experience and offer a small token as incentive. There's the chance to informally see how you're doing against everyone else connected online, but nothing more. DON'T RACE ME, BRO! Yeah I just had to (for those who don't get it, that's a play on the hilarious memes showing "dudes" in bad places begging the coppers "DON'T TAZE ME, BRO!"). 
The entire thrust of your post fits perfectly into the setup I proposed. Is that what you're trying to say?"Guys that really want to focus on the TT's can do so for the recognition and feeling of accomplishment"....Eh....but.....aren't you guys doing just that now? I probably spent 30+ minutes (that's more than I put into any two Seasonal events, I promise you) yesterday compiling figures someone has at their fingertips in seconds. So I'm not doing it again for another event. But my feeling is most already participate in Seasonals just to feel a sense of accomplishment based on their previous experiences. IE: if someone hates tuning and is just playing GT for drifting, maybe Bronze is all they aspire to and are relieved every time they achieve that much. I feel personally no sense of "recognition" at all getting gold, and I'm fine with that. It was a test, I passed it, time to move on. Why do the tests have to be harder? You say they're a competition....why? Because there's a comparison of times? If I wished to compete against "the world" I'd race online. But I don't play very well with others so I abstain (you're welcome
Not at all, sorry. PD gives us all an event, to do with as we please. Remember in every event they give us, there's a subtle point to be made. Always has been. That's the excuse for all the Vitzes and Corsas we've ever driven. I don't deny that quite likely the point is lost on many. Even the Seasonal races were a touch more than just "chase the rabbit for a few quid" or an interesting (or not) diversion. My ONLY problem with how they do this is the on-again off-again driver's aids. To me, that's PD saying "we know SOMEthing's wrong, but we're not admitting it to anyone". It's truly difficult to do 100-some-odd races with all aids available (career, or offline) and then have an event where the things you've learned to use are taken away. I'm horrified to admit that if stats had a window for showing "favorite tire" right now mine would show RS, because of my grinding on Nurburgring. And because it's at night and raining, you dang right I have ABS1 and SRF on, along with TC2. Can you imagine the habits I've accumulated? But every once in a while, I get to set that aside, climb out of my Subarus, and take a spin in something different, with different conditions. And it doesn't get much more different than the last three TTs, no? At first I hated the Mazda TT, because of course I was all over the road and slip-slidin' away at every turn. I buckled down, tuned a mite here and there, concentrated a bit better, and got gold within 7 or 8 laps. Eventually, after all the back-and-forth on this site, I went back, tinkered some more, and just to prove to myself I could, I took two more seconds off that gold time. You guys inspired it, but I was my own reason to improve. I don't need an external reason. And I just don't believe PD should take a greater risk of losing more customers just to create more division than already exists amongst the whole wide spectrum of GTers. And I believe human nature tells us that if you make something more exclusive, more will try to attain it, and more will become angry and frustrated when they don't. I understand guys with expensive rigs or big egos wanting a lofty stage to perform on, but this isn't just for "those guys", IMO.
Explain to me then how my Proposal would "risk losing more customers", under your assumption that half or less of people currently get gold. Please don't make a generalized statement, try to be specific and refer directly to the points I made.And I just don't believe PD should take a greater risk of losing more customers just to create more division than already exists amongst the whole wide spectrum of GTers. And I believe human nature tells us that if you make something more exclusive, more will try to attain it, and more will become angry and frustrated when they don't. I understand guys with expensive rigs or big egos wanting a lofty stage to perform on, but this isn't just for "those guys", IMO.
Not to start an argument, or attack you personally, so don't take it personally...Not at all, sorry. PD gives us all an event, to do with as we please. Remember in every event they give us, there's a subtle point to be made. Always has been. That's the excuse for all the Vitzes and Corsas we've ever driven. I don't deny that quite likely the point is lost on many. Even the Seasonal races were a touch more than just "chase the rabbit for a few quid" or an interesting (or not) diversion. My ONLY problem with how they do this is the on-again off-again driver's aids. To me, that's PD saying "we know SOMEthing's wrong, but we're not admitting it to anyone". It's truly difficult to do 100-some-odd races with all aids available (career, or offline) and then have an event where the things you've learned to use are taken away. I'm horrified to admit that if stats had a window for showing "favorite tire" right now mine would show RS, because of my grinding on Nurburgring. And because it's at night and raining, you dang right I have ABS1 and SRF on, along with TC2. Can you imagine the habits I've accumulated? But every once in a while, I get to set that aside, climb out of my Subarus, and take a spin in something different, with different conditions. And it doesn't get much more different than the last three TTs, no? At first I hated the Mazda TT, because of course I was all over the road and slip-slidin' away at every turn. I buckled down, tuned a mite here and there, concentrated a bit better, and got gold within 7 or 8 laps. Eventually, after all the back-and-forth on this site, I went back, tinkered some more, and just to prove to myself I could, I took two more seconds off that gold time. You guys inspired it, but I was my own reason to improve. I don't need an external reason. And I just don't believe PD should take a greater risk of losing more customers just to create more division than already exists amongst the whole wide spectrum of GTers. And I believe human nature tells us that if you make something more exclusive, more will try to attain it, and more will become angry and frustrated when they don't. I understand guys with expensive rigs or big egos wanting a lofty stage to perform on, but this isn't just for "those guys", IMO.
I responded to your post with the proposal, as it'll be easier for me to make sure I hit everything.
I take no offense, that's the name of the game: finding your style and having fun. You paid for yours, I paid for mine, we can go from there
. And yes, SRF cuts down on a lot of responsiveness if you just tune a car "the usual" and then slap SRF on it. I tune my rides with SRF off, but in mind. As my favorite grind is Nurburgring, I want to feel that seat-shifting swing and sway going through the twisty bits and usually SRF agrees with me and provides exactly the experience I'm wanting. There are also times when SRF interferes far too much and off it goes. Not very often, mind you, but it happens. I believe my understanding of how I use it is why I can fairly casually go to these Seasonals with it forced off and actually achieve gold; because my use of SRF is not dependent, but simply as another tuning tool.
My only problem with how you propose the structure is why "force" people to learn what are generally agreed to be bad habits? I'll echo VBR's constant cry of "more options", but also better adjustability, of the aids as well as the actual tuning.They should have made the game with different difficulty levels right from the start.
For example:
Easy: Most aids forced on. (ASM & driving line optional)
Normal: ABS forced on, TCS & SRF optional. All others off.
Difficult: All aids forced off. (ABS1 optional)
Or something like that...
