Cruel to Zuel but still funny lol.Step tuning don't ya know
The first 4 turns really determine whether you get gold, as well as the turn before the bridge and right after, it just takes practice. As for the braking point, on the straight it's right before the pit entry / run off, you'll see painted lines merging on the left and the grass starting right after them. Also try driving with no aids and tapping the e-brake to angle your car for exit.
Have a look at the replays on the leader board as a reference too.
but in all seriousness I want to know as I think he's talking about how much people were detuning on GT5 using the limiter but I'm not sure. If thats the case than I'm sorry to say it Striker but you'd be wrong as detuning is still a very good way to to get an advantage over a 100% powered car. Of course there are exceptions.
Thing is though, people weren't using the engine limiter in GT5 to optimize a car's performance. They were using it to avoid having to build multiple cars to race at various PP levels because it was easier and less time consuming. Instead of allowing us to build 1 car with 10 tunes, PD let us build one car with 3 tunes so we had to buy multiple cars if we wanted to tune to multiple combinations of PP and tire. Why build 5 optimized LFA's to run at 500,525,550,575 and 600PP when you can just build one and detune and race in any lobby? Everyone that knew anything about tuning knew that if you were tuning to a specific PP level you detuned only enough (average less than 10%) to flatten the power curve in the usable power rpm range and that's it, any more cost you more than it gained.
It kind of depends a little on what you drive with; DS3, use handbrake. Wheel, lift off oversteer worked wonders for me.
To me, that's one of the, if not THE best change from GT5, that you can remove every upgrade (barring chassis stiffening, of course). Since they went and further limited the usable garage space, it's nice to be able to completely take a car back to square one.
Because nobody wants one extreme or the other. Every level of gamer, from 10 year old little Timmy and his DS3, to Mr. Hardcore Wheel Plays 3 Hours a Day Guy, each want something that challenges them and allows them to compete fairly with people of equal skill. This cannot be done with PD's "one size fits all" philosophy, it can only be done with sortable leaderboards with monetary and gift prizes awarded lower down the achievement scale and the rewards of higher achivement being accolades.
Whilst I agree that the game should add some more variety in order to entertain a wider audience, i'm a big supporter of the "have it hard, work up to it" philosophy which the old GT's ran off. When I started playing racing games, I didn't have it easy, and I came off all the better for it. It allowed me to work up to being a much better driver than just being given a "meh" gold.
It wouldn't be a "meh" gold though, gold can still be difficult. I'd add in even more levels of achievement besides the standard gold, silver, bronze too, to add more levels of challenge. Platinum for example.
I agree, the top 1000 players in each seasonal probably gave some serious effort, and it's definitely not for the car or credits. It would be nice to acknowledge that effort in the game more, otherwise it just looks like you have done the same thing as 20000 other players.
Do you do your own tuning? Or do you scout the Seasonal TT threads like many others do to obtain a ready-made-and-tested tune to get a jump on the ones who actually DO put in effort for the result they get? I'm not asking if you've ever made use of the tuning threads to get tips and explanations and such, I mean all-out "here's what the guy in 11th place right now for this specific event has under his car". My take is there's not nearly as many "up there" deserving of any acknowledgement as the numbers currently indicate. Folks ask for harder challenges, then run to the local gurus for not just help, but the whole freakin' answer. Yes, they then have to "drive" it, but 3/4 of the work is done by others. You can count up the number of GTPers who post there acknowledging their use of this method, but who knows how many actually do this that say nothing? That indeed, aren't even members here? The ONE thing that can actually be competitive in this game, and it's routinely short-circuited.
What do you propose? A publication ban across the internet of all tunes for Seasonals? Regardless of your feelings on the subject, there's nothing anyone can do to prohibit the sharing of tunes so it's pointless to even discuss it.
There are many things discussed and argued on GTP far more pointless than this and you know it. I was honestly taken aback by going to the Seasonal update threads thinking there'd be reports of those "on top" and discussions of the difficulty/ease of the different venues/eligible cars. I even pathetically posted about my own little self-powered best effort. I can't be the last "honest" player that sees anything slightly askew about this. I thought such things would be limited to the tuning threads. And you're right, there's likely no end to it; those that choose to take the easy way will just put me on ignore and I'll bother them no more. I truly meant no disrespect to Cargo as he seems to have taken my recent posts, and the primary reason for me posting on the Peugeot thread at all was some lame hope that those stepping over my head on the work of others might feel a touch of self-reliance and abstain. His misreading of my quoting a couple of key phrases will likely get me on lots of ignore lists, but all I can do is either allow the cheats to run me off, or keep highlighting the hypocrisy of begging for competitive content and then scampering off to the nearest online garage for a cheater tune. Given my attitude about it, do you see why I was a bit irked to see a call for MORE acknowledgment for top-anything? On the one hand, I'm told "we play it like a REAL simulator", on the other, "oh, it's just all fun and games". One of these statements is not true when it comes from the same people. Can anyone on here stop covering their asses long enough to understand that?
I get it. And yes, most of the stuff we discuss here is pretty pointless
It's mostly mental gymnastics. And there is a great deal of satisfaction in developing your own tune and doing your best with it. I only run someone else's tune when I'm not serious about competing (and I rarely am..not a big TT guy). On the few occasions when a TT really appealed to me, like the RX-7 TT, I do my own tune mostly because I endlessly tweak.
sorry for any confusion, i meant not a tuning game as in the driving is the key part, i didn't mean you shouldn't tune the cars.
In an event where the PP is dead on for a particular "stock" car, yeah ok. But you're not building and supercharging a Mazda Roadster racer and not having a go with stock anything else! You've definitely thrown an angle here that I definitely have not considered....is there a sizable number of GT players who simply think tuning is secondary, or even irrelevant to the game as a whole?
