Why are there people like this

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Juiposa
I'm not justifying the use of aids! I was speaking down of driving aids if you are unable to notice! I never use driving aids and always set the rooms I make to have them off! So I advise you read a post properly before you flip out!

Elitests like you, and the puffed up aid using assholes, are whats wrong with the community. Let people be, stay in your world of hatred abd leave level minded people enjoy the gane whether they use the ****ing driving aids or not!
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Relax i wasn't replying to what you said i was continuing the conversation, you just happened to be the last person to post. 👍

EDIT: O ya and elitest like me? wtf are you even talking about. I don't jump around thinking im god. I had an opinion about what was being talked about on a "public forum". So get over yourself.
 
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kingstang5oh
Relax i wasn't replying to what you said i was continuing the conversation, you just happened to be the last person to post. 👍
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You may want to make that clear as it looked like you were adressing me.
 
kingstang5oh
EDIT: O ya and elitest like me? wtf are you even talking about. I don't jump around thinking im god. I had an opinion about what was being talked about on a "public forum". So get over yourself.
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I don't like the term 'elitist', 'hardcore' s another one, but telling people to either play my way or find a new game will tend to make people feel that way about you.
 
mcfizzle
Wow:tdown:

You know people play this game for all sorts of reasons not just the driving physics. Just because they use aids they should stop playing and get a kart/combat racer? How about each person plays the way they want and as long as it doesn't affect your game then who cares? And if it really bothers you that much only race in lobbies with all aids off. Either way I feel that if having driving aids can open the series up to new people who otherwise wouldn't buy it than that is only a good thing.
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Hey im not talking to everyone that uses aids. Personally i don't care what someone else does with their game.

I just don't see how a game like GT5 is better when you "arcade" it up. That's just not what it was ment for... Right?
 
kingstang5oh
Hey im not talking to everyone that uses aids. Personally i don't care what someone else does with their game.

I just don't see how a game like GT5 is better when you "arcade" it up. That's just not what it was ment for... Right?
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It was meant for people to play and enjoy. If the aids are there then I think they were meant to be used if you choose to. I think the game is better for someone 'arcaded' up if it allows them to get more enjoyment out of the game. You have to remember there are a lot of young kids and people who play without a lot of video game experience and these aids may allow them to enjoy the game and get better where they can then turn them off. Otherwise some may not have enjoyed it and not stuck with it.
 
mcfizzle
It was meant for people to play and enjoy. If the aids are there then I think they were meant to be used if you choose to. I think the game is better for someone 'arcaded' up if it allows them to get more enjoyment out of the game. You have to remember there are a lot of young kids and people who play without a lot of video game experience and these aids may allow them to enjoy the game and get better where they can then turn them off. Otherwise some may not have enjoyed it and not stuck with it.
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Ok i agree. 👍
 
Personally I like using TCS on 1 and SRF on with all other aids off.
 
After following this thread since the first page. I now know why I quit the online racing in GT5. Between the people that hate anyone who dares to use aids.And the other side that thinks they should be able to use their aids in anyone's room or lounge.

The room or lounge host who will kick anybody that dares to question him about his settings. I have actually been kicked for entering a lounge with the wrong car.

It seems that these threads have descended into nothing more that a way for one group or another to bash each other.

I play the game with most aids off abs1 and sometimes I use the driving line, And maybe if I am having trouble with traction I might use traction control on 3, I guess that makes me what most people would call a noob.
 
bushmaster
After following this thread since the first page. I now know why I quit the online racing in GT5. Between the people that hate anyone who dares to use aids.And the other side that thinks they should be able to use their aids in anyone's room or lounge.

The room or lounge host who will kick anybody that dares to question him about his settings. I have actually been kicked for entering a lounge with the wrong car.

It seems that these threads have descended into nothing more that a way for one group or another to bash each other.

I play the game with most aids off abs1 and sometimes I use the driving line, And maybe if I am having trouble with traction I might use traction control on 3, I guess that makes me what most people would call a noob.
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This is one of the unavoidable problems that comes with making a game like GT5, that sits sort of in the middle of many racing genres. People who spend 90% of their racing time playing NFS or Burnout(not trying to define a genre, just examples) can play GT5 and enjoy it. People who spend most of their time playing rFactor or GTR or iRacing (as before) can also play GT5 and enjoy it. Even some people who hardly ever play any video games at all seem to often find ways to enjoy GT5, maybe just because they love cars.

But the different groups will tend to enjoy and be frustrated by completely different aspects of the game. And you are also going to have people with completely different philosophies meeting one another and attempting to play together online, which will cause these clashes. I'm sure there are a few things that can be done to make it easier for people to not clash with each other, but it's not completely avoidable(and might even be helpful sometimes).

Part of the problem of course is that some have a hard time accepting that anybody doesn't see things the way that they do, or that those who don't are in dire need of some sort of "education." Another part of it is that some people are just plain rude. Another part of it is that some people get upset about things very easily.


Every game I've ever played online has major up-and-down swings.
Playing with cheaters...
Playing with people who might not really "cheat" but have a different definition of "fair" than you might...
Spending hours trying to find a decent looking game to join, and then having difficulty joining it, or having it descend into a pure mess as soon as you get in...
Playing with people who aren't actually jerks, but have run out of patience dealing with some and don't take the time to find out whether a new player is a jerk or just confused...
Playing with people who just have no patience for those not as experienced as they are...
Playing with people who have no clue what they are doing and make things miserable for those trying to play seriously...


The list goes on and on. But when it works right there is no better pure gameplay experience than a good online room with other people. It does often take a lot of patience however. Offline you can get lost in your own world and deeply involved in what you want, when you want. But the actual gaming vs any AI opponent always leaves something to be desired. Clearly there are advantages to both.
 
Well said Morgoth. I know spend a lot of time doing the time trials and practicing in my lounge trying to better my times on different tracks just to avoid having to deal with these issues. I love racing I used to race Offroad cars back in the 70s and 80s.
 
Morgoth_666
Part of the problem of course is that some have a hard time accepting that anybody doesn't see things the way that they do, or that those who don't are in dire need of some sort of "education."
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I think that hits the nail on the head describing MOST hostile rudeness between people everywhere on every topic.

bushmaster
Well said Morgoth. I know spend a lot of time doing the time trials and practicing in my lounge trying to better my times on different tracks just to avoid having to deal with these issues. I love racing I used to race Offroad cars back in the 70s and 80s.
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Well, I just feel the need to defend my racing pals, as nobody is rude or mean that I race with from this forum...
Even if people disagree (and many times we do)... nobody calls anyone nasty things or whatnot. Nobody's insulting anybody's mothers nor bandying about the word "n00b". :rolleyes:
Of course most of the people I race with are older. And we can disagree without turning it into a social death match. :lol:

(It's possible that teens with hormones running wild would have a problem keeping it under a certain tenor when they get all hopped up on an opinionated debate.)
 
I often wonder if there isn't some huge area of GT5 online that I can't access. I see people posting all the time about using driving aids and hassles they get online, kids yelling and screaming at other drivers, guys driving X1's etc. I can honestly say I haven't see or heard any of that severe stuff since way back in the beginning of the game. Here are some tips for you if you are encountering that stuff.

1. Never enter a room that isn't well defined in the description. Never enter a room that says "anything goes" or "I can beat you" or "you can't beat me" or anything that isn't related to car/tire/race description.
2. Put your cursor over the little icon for the room and it'll tell you what the current settings are. If they don't match the description, don't enter, because the room has lost it's direction.
3. If you don't want SRF in a room, change the search settings on the left to SRF off.
4. Unless it has LMP cars or other high powered race cars in the description, never enter rooms over 600pp. Few people can drive cars that powerful with any level of control or respect for other drivers.
5. Generally, but not always, rooms with harder tire compounds and lower PP levels, are more likely to have more respectful drivers.
 
Johnnypenso
I often wonder if there isn't some huge area of GT5 online that I can't access. I see people posting all the time about using driving aids and hassles they get online, kids yelling and screaming at other drivers, guys driving X1's etc. I can honestly say I haven't see or heard any of that severe stuff since way back in the beginning of the game. Here are some tips for you if you are encountering that stuff.

1. Never enter a room that isn't well defined in the description. Never enter a room that says "anything goes" or "I can beat you" or "you can't beat me" or anything that isn't related to car/tire/race description.
2. Put your cursor over the little icon for the room and it'll tell you what the current settings are. If they don't match the description, don't enter, because the room has lost it's direction.
3. If you don't want SRF in a room, change the search settings on the left to SRF off.
4. Unless it has LMP cars or other high powered race cars in the description, never enter rooms over 600pp. Few people can drive cars that powerful with any level of control or respect for other drivers.
5. Generally, but not always, rooms with harder tire compounds and lower PP levels, are more likely to have more respectful drivers.
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It's true, I haven't seen half the things that people complain about.
But if you stick to pub lobbies that are shuffle, spec, or "clean or kick", or "GTP Rules"... you probably won't come across as much of that stuff.

True too that 600pp is rather high if it's not race cars. You're usually going to find kids fooling about who just want to drive fast from sloppy corner to sloppy corner - not actually racing proper-like.

For example, the infamous task-master shuffle lobby host Destinkeys will kick people not only for GTP OLR Rule infraction or dirty driving... But he also kicks people for verbal abusiveness or rude arguments in the text chat with other racers. I saw him kick someone after they insulted someone else's mother, for example.
I think most respectable hosts would do this. I sure would. I wouldn't put up with people mouthing off, talkin' nonsense for the sake of talkin, either in the text chat or on the mics.
 
watermelonpunch
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It's true, I haven't seen half the things that people complain about.
But if you stick to pub lobbies that are shuffle, spec, or "clean or kick", or "GTP Rules"... you probably won't come across as much of that stuff.

True too that 600pp is rather high if it's not race cars. You're usually going to find kids fooling about who just want to drive fast from sloppy corner to sloppy corner - not actually racing proper-like.

For example, the infamous task-master shuffle lobby host <hidden due to AUP> will kick people not only for GTP OLR Rule infraction or dirty driving... But he also kicks people for verbal abusiveness or rude arguments in the text chat with other racers. I saw him kick someone after they insulted someone else's mother, for example.
I think most respectable hosts would do this. I sure would. I wouldn't put up with people mouthing off, talkin' nonsense for the sake of talkin, either in the text chat or on the mics.
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Yeah, that guy is a total control freak. I ran into him a lot a few months back, but haven't seen him since. I wish there weren't people like him in the world, where they think that they rule the universe. I wonder if he sold GT5 and/or got banned from PSN.
 
otakukid96
Yeah, that guy is a total control freak. I ran into him a lot a few months back, but haven't seen him since. I wish there weren't people like him in the world, where they think that they rule the universe. I wonder if he sold GT5 and/or got banned from PSN.
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You think it's a bad thing to kick trouble makers?
So you like hosts who allow insulting arguments and disruptive verbal abuse and dirty driving?

I for one think that host is pretty good.
Yes, he's a bit extreme in manner. But his lobbies are popular for just that reason. Sadly, only an iron handed host can keep a pub lobby completely free of idiots, dirty drivers, and rude disruptive people. :(

I don't know if anyone thinks they rule the universe. But if someone's the host, they're ruling that room, and if you think they shouldn't, well you're perfectly free to start your own lobby & see how popular & fun it is when you allow a lot of B.S.
 
actually the tc and this stuff and automatic transmision does destroy my driving. i need al aids of only abs is the thing i use
 
GT5 is a fun game in ways others have said already, it appeals to players who've come from simulator games and also to players who've come from Cruisin' USA.

It's a big game, with an even bigger fan base, but nowadays as we can restrict all aids all the way from ABS (really big improvement) I don't think it's hard to find likeminded racers as you. Make a room, set the rules and wait for people to join (sometimes no-one comes though :lol:) and hopefully have a good race.

If you're a person who has a wheel and wants to improve their car control and racing ability, the rooms with lower PP limits and less grippier tyres almost always have better racers in them (like Johnnypenso said), so if you want to improve, it's a good idea to look for a room with comforts running at 400-480pp or even lower than that.

If on the other hand you enjoy GT5 for other reasons and are playing with a DS3, you can join a room with SFR (or not, I've seen really fast people driving with a pad so it's definitely not a hindrance), aids allowed and/or racing softs and still have a cracking race.

There's so many ways so play this game it almost feels like many games in one.
 
watermelonpunch
You think it's a bad thing to kick trouble makers?
So you like hosts who allow insulting arguments and disruptive verbal abuse and dirty driving?

I for one think that host is pretty good.
Yes, he's a bit extreme in manner. But his lobbies are popular for just that reason. Sadly, only an iron handed host can keep a pub lobby completely free of idiots, dirty drivers, and rude disruptive people. :(

I don't know if anyone thinks they rule the universe. But if someone's the host, they're ruling that room, and if you think they shouldn't, well you're perfectly free to start your own lobby & see how popular & fun it is when you allow a lot of B.S.
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I don't often start rooms but when I find a well run room with a theme I like I tend to stick around and often end up hosting as a result. I've never made any bones when hosting about being clear that indeed I was the King of the Castle and fairplay is the order of the day if you want to stay. No cussing, no fighting, no intentional contact. Race hard but avoid contact. Too much incidental contact or too many people complaining about you and I have no trouble showing someone the door. Anyone using foul language is gonzo as well. I even make it clear I want people to drive in practice like they do in the race. I'll punt people for entering the track during qualifying and hitting the start button so they can text their boyfriends or whatever.

I do not suffer fools gladly:grumpy:
 
Johnnypenso
I've never made any bones when hosting about being clear that indeed I was the King of the Castle and fairplay is the order of the day if you want to stay.
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👍 to that!
I don't see that as a desire to rule the universe... or an unreasonable behaviour as a host.
Anymore than well, someone not allowing the neighbors to come & trample your garden, or strangers to come to your house and track mud through your dining room.
You'd tell them to get going! (In Texas you could shoot them! lol)
Who wants to waste their precious leisure time listening to some fools bicker bitterly about nothing, or race with people behaving stupidly on the track?
 
I'm a few days late but i'd like to share my experience too in online races...

I got kicked once cause i am from Greece..
I got kicked for someones elses fault.
i got kicked cause i was faster.
i got kicked bla bla bla.. and the list goes on and on.

I really am a very patient driver, i once entered a race with noobs that couldnt keep up with me almost in every race or track they chose. But i tried to advise them on how to drive better and most of the times i waited for them to keep up and then continued racing. I once smashed on someone by mistake and got him off the track and then waited for him to get on and race again..

I love the thrill of having a mad racer who is as fast as you a few meters of your tail! And know that the only way he can pass you is if you do any little mistake on your racing line and he does none! You roughly can get that experience with the A.I

I don't mind if people drive with aids or not, but i do get frustrated when they kick me out of a lobby without any particular reason..
It's just people and their nature and nurture... For the same reasons people in countries are poor and starve and for the same reasons we have wars and bla bla bla... Unfortunatelly we can't choose the planet and their people that live on...
 
Ok i am sorry but i can't let a baseless personal attack stand. Destinkeys is THE best host in the entire gt5 universe and should be the example for all hosts to follow. He does his best to promote pure, clean and respectful racing. I have seen him kick regulars and his own friends if they are behaving improperly a given night to keep it fair for everyone.

Playing in his rooms seriously improved my speed and technique and taught me how to race in traffic without impeding those around me. Initially, i made mistakes and was warned and even kicked for violating gtp rules. Instead of taking it personal, i took it as a lesson and continued to practice my technique in the back of the pack before attempting to start challenging for positions again.

Unfortunately, even he can't keep the poor racers at bay regularly enough so i have become less regular and joined leagues where the rules are strict and rooms are private so i can race against the same people and develop a repoir with them. Once you have a direct relationship with your competition, the level of respect and fairness raises considerably.

If you don't like someones rooms, don't join. You will eventually find rooms and drivers that fit your style. No need to attack others or get upset for any reason. Use your time and energy in a positive way by searching for likeminded racers who will help YOU enjoy the game irregardless of what other people are doing.
 
The best solution, still, in my opinion, is to play offline. You won't have to worry about 12 year olds crashing into the back of you because they can't drive properly.

If you really do want to play online, then either set up public "track day" lobbies, or set up lounges with pre-defined rules and regulations. There's nothing more frustrating than having set up a lobby only to have the 12 year old suddenly ram into you for no reason.
 
You payed for your own game and you have every right to play it however you like.

Although if you join a lobby that restricts use of all aids, the host can also do it as he pleases. So you can find a room that suits you or make your own.

But some just feel entitled and superior and bash anyone in general.
 
toplesscouple
I couldn't agree more. Some people don't have hours to spend playing and developing their skills. If using aids means they enjoy the game instead of giving up in frustration, then who the Hell has the right to tell them they shouldn't. As for SRF being a cheat, if you weren't meant to be able to use it, it wouldn't be included as an aid. Maybe the folks at PD are a lot more tolerant than many of the people who buy their product.
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Personally if I was a lobby host, I would simply disable the ability of the use of TCS. So therefore if I can't use it then others can't either.
 

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