Why can't we be clean?

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My idea is simply me totally fed up with all the dirty racers....so much so that I have given up racing daily races , nations cup and manufacturers cup until PD comes up with something that works.....
Most the lobbys I race in are restricted for S ranked racers....so I dont want my rating destroyed by some fools who just see it as a game.
 
PhantomPS3
My idea is simply me totally fed up with all the dirty racers....so much so that I have given up racing daily races , nations cup and manufacturers cup until PD comes up with something that works.....
Most the lobbys I race in are restricted for S ranked racers....so I dont want my rating destroyed by some fools who just see it as a game.
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Oh we agree there! The online dirty racing has annoyed me as well and I have given up on trying to maintain my fake DR/SR ratings, especially under the current penalty system. I have not raced a daily race, Nation's Cup or Manufacturers race in a few weeks because of the calamity in these races. I choose the online lobbies because at least I am racing the same people nearly every time and know they want to race correctly.

Well this "fool" sees this as a game but that doesn't mean that I am out to wreck everyone's SR I race. I am sorry you think we are all out to destroy your rating, kind of makes me wonder why are you still racing in this game.

Enjoy your racing.
 
Lazybike
Some good points above...but I think a lot of it is just ego, people forget about the racing and concentrate on the result.
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Yes, the most blatant examples of this (where it can be no mistake) wind me up so much, like someone swerves into you when you pass because how dare you be faster and overtake them! Tends to happen more on ovals, LeMans...places where they would benefit from your slipstream!
 
PhantomPS3
So most tracks at T1 you would lose half the field...... IRW do they lose half the field at T1 and another quarter at turn 2? NO! So that shows me you are 100% ok with 16 cars all trying to go through a corner at the same time....

Hmmm.... theres the problem....your mindset is wrong....but you definitely not alone so dont worry ..
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And you have licensing processes that are more extensive than a 5 minute video about racing etiquette that I guarantee nobody actually watched.

What we have in GTS is a direct result of the ranking system and letting anyone with the money for a PS4 and Gran Turismo Sport play. But that’s not the problem. About the best you can expect from the most played racing game.

Maybe in the case of the FIA Series’, a higher requirement should be enacted, but how the FIA and PD works, be thankful you get what you get. Could be worse. Could be NASCAR Heat.

Edit: though, after watching this weekends NASCAR races, all but a handful of drivers on a new circuit, they have been pretty clean for having no practice prior to the green flag.
 
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If you want clean racing you have A I they are told by the software to get out of your way, that’s GTS the game. If you want GTS the online racing simulator you have to out smart and outdrive 12 to15 real drivers looking to take the checkered flag before you .

PD has to figure out that online racing drivers who use a wheel setup From outside vendors are paying a bigger share to use the same software the gamer with a DS4 controller, by Paying royalties To Sony and PD for the realism the wheel setup will give. I have high hopes that the new PS5 and GT7 can get us all on the road to good racing, clean is only used in boxing by the referee.
 
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Most have given up. Plus I have a problem with some fast guys that mask their mistakes using someone else. Especially like on FIA, I was battling my fellow GTR and since he was A+, I knew he'd be one to fight so hairpin he shot the turn, I got the cutback and was alongside him and it seemed like he lost traction, so he bounced off my door and spun, then says I ruined his race completely :confused::dunce:

But other than fragile egos, most just don't care about good ol' racing anymore, it's #BargePassGang or nothing now.
 
If you ask me, I don't mind small contact while racing side by side into a corner. It happens and it's a part of racing. That also why keeping an eye behind near a braking zone is kind of important to spot those people with oportunistic move. The thing I've noticed is that many people dont leave enough room for the car infront of them in a braking zone. It can cause these odd crashes with other drivers because they wanted to brake a the last moment possible.
 
Because there is action, but not proper reactions by the penalty system. This turns into a chain of reaction in a lot of races.

I'd like to think there would be more clean races if the daily races were longer. I feel like a lot of people are impatient because of the short races and there for go for moves that they wouldn't normally do in a longer race, which result into collisions.... sometimes taking innocent bystanders with them.
 
LeLLs
I'd like to think there would be more clean races if the daily races were longer. I feel like a lot of people are impatient because of the short races and there for go for moves that they wouldn't normally do in a longer race, which result into collisions.... sometimes taking innocent bystanders with them.
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Towards the end of the FIA Manufacturer’s Cup we ran a 16 lap race at Suzuka. A long race for a Gr. 4 car, and I saw some pretty despicable stuff very early on in the race. I like you thought people would take it easy being that a wreck early would just end up wasting one, like 40 minutes of driving out of contention. But it happened.
 
After driving a lot the last 2 weeks at all levels from A plus to E E my conclusion is that the stricter penalties have changed the game for the better. Some problematic people are gone from the 99 sr lobbies.

The bottom line answer to the question posed in the OP for me is INCOMPETENCE.
Racing is a skill, awareness development etc.
The severity of penalties will dictate quality of play also.
But say you are on NA and you are a B S driver. At this level you are still learning to race.
Driving fast in time trial and putting a qualifying time up is only a very small first step towards becoming an effective racer.
Being a racer is not easy. It takes a lot of time to become decent. I consider myself competent but that’s after 1000 hrs or more online racing, and I’m always learning.
So to me the answer to the question is number one people aren’t very good at racing and number 2 penalty system has allowed bashing for way too long, and 3 they allow bashing the incompetent AI to win, so how are folks supposed to learn.
Everybody thinks everyone else is the problem. No one wants to admit maybe they don’t race perfectly...Take for example the people who take a qualifying line in a race trying to enter a turn super wide then complaining about “dirty” guys behind taking their inside.
Sure maybe in qualifying or without anyone within 2 seconds of you you can take that line and gain a tenth or 3. But in race the line will be tighter if you don’t want to leave the door open.
Or take people who drive by ONE FIXED BRAKING POINT then get mad at their opponent ahead braking before that and blame them for a crash.
You have people who fill any gap, unable to think ahead by a turn and realize their race would go better by backing off.
Ross Bentley says the other cars should be looked at as part of the track, so in race you have to drive accordingly.
In essence the track itself in race is constantly changing, your driving needs to change in race.
Don’t get me started on qualifying centric people either who spend half the week getting a unicorn lap, then when they enter they get mad when people with faster racepace aggressively attack.
Attacking in that case is a self preservation thing, these qual experts hold up cars behind if they don’t have racepace and bunch the drivers behind them leading to problems.
Many people use views with no mirror!
I could go on and on...
Why can’t we be clean?
We just aren’t professionals, mainly.
 
Groundfish
Hi Tim.
My name is Groundfish. I’ve been clean for one race now, so about nine hours...
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I can't say that, so far 8 daily races today and I still sitting at B. I am trying to drag my SR down to E so I can enjoy all the real fun.
 
Groundfish
After driving a lot the last 2 weeks at all levels from A plus to E E my conclusion is that the stricter penalties have changed the game for the better. Some problematic people are gone from the 99 sr lobbies.

The bottom line answer to the question posed in the OP for me is INCOMPETENCE.
Racing is a skill, awareness development etc.
The severity of penalties will dictate quality of play also.
But say you are on NA and you are a B S driver. At this level you are still learning to race.
Driving fast in time trial and putting a qualifying time up is only a very small first step towards becoming an effective racer.
Being a racer is not easy. It takes a lot of time to become decent. I consider myself competent but that’s after 1000 hrs or more online racing, and I’m always learning.
So to me the answer to the question is number one people aren’t very good at racing and number 2 penalty system has allowed bashing for way too long, and 3 they allow bashing the incompetent AI to win, so how are folks supposed to learn.
Everybody thinks everyone else is the problem. No one wants to admit maybe they don’t race perfectly...Take for example the people who take a qualifying line in a race trying to enter a turn super wide then complaining about “dirty” guys behind taking their inside.
Sure maybe in qualifying or without anyone within 2 seconds of you you can take that line and gain a tenth or 3. But in race the line will be tighter if you don’t want to leave the door open.
Or take people who drive by ONE FIXED BRAKING POINT then get mad at their opponent ahead braking before that and blame them for a crash.
You have people who fill any gap, unable to think ahead by a turn and realize their race would go better by backing off.
Ross Bentley says the other cars should be looked at as part of the track, so in race you have to drive accordingly.
In essence the track itself in race is constantly changing, your driving needs to change in race.
Don’t get me started on qualifying centric people either who spend half the week getting a unicorn lap, then when they enter they get mad when people with faster racepace aggressively attack.
Attacking in that case is a self preservation thing, these qual experts hold up cars behind if they don’t have racepace and bunch the drivers behind them leading to problems.
Many people use views with no mirror!
I could go on and on...
Why can’t we be clean?
We just aren’t professionals, mainly.
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I would really like to join a lobby with you sometime. Maybe you are faster than me as I am by no means the best ...but would like to see how many doors you think I leave open.
 
PhantomPS3
I would really like to join a lobby with you sometime. Maybe you are faster than me as I am by no means the best ...but would like to see how many doors you think I leave open.
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Lol Ok???
I know people dive but many times leading a person like that means you can’t give them ideas by tempting it, if that makes sense.
 
tonybarnaby
I’m nearly 40 and resisted GT Sport until recently. Playing online was something I didn’t ever care to do. I read that GT Sport had a new offline mode. If only I had realized how crappy it was (start last and try to catch the first place car with a huge lead) I wouldn’t have bothered.

I played online for a while, but it’s just not fun for me. I can’t run the lines I want to run, because most racers are completely unpredictable. The penalty system is a joke, and too often the victim gets the penalty. I’m sure iracing is better, but I have limited time and don’t want to invest in a pc just for one racing game. That’s why I’m so hopeful that ACC can adjust the frame rate on ps5. That is the best racing I have EVER experienced in my life, and it’s against AI who are both fair and predictable. The average GT Sport racer is playing on their couch and treats each position as if it’s do or die. I’m not good enough (nor have the time) to run fia, but I still read the fia thread on here. Even there, the best of the best are routinely taken out, punted, blocked and cheated out of a fair and clean race. Hell, 1 Ferrari driver took out the other in a recent F1 race! There’s almost no hope for clean online racing. The offline mode in GT is catered to even the slowest racers, and it’s not even a real race to have you start in last place and try to pick off the slow AI drivers 1 by 1 before you run out of laps. Too bad, because it’s the perfect simcade kind of game but you can’t get a real race online or offline.
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I understand your frustration. However, I have to say that jumping into league racing is a legitimate option. Find one that races at a time that suits your schedule and with a format that interests you and you will be surprised at how satisfying it can be. Although I agree that racing against good AI can be rewarding and enjoyable - racing against other clean driving humans is just as thrilling and rewarding.

There are a number of leagues running a variety of events almost daily and in most time zones. I understand if you (or anyone, for that matter) is hesitant to "join" a league but what do you have to lose except a little time you would have spent tooling around in the game by yourself anyway. (no offense - I do that myself all the time)

I am not going to mention my events but I will encourage you to look around a bit. It wasn't until I discovered league racing with other like minded drivers that I truly became hooked on racing games/sims.

Best of luck and feel free to reach out if you need anything. That also goes for anyone else reading this.:cheers::gtpflag:

Edit: P.S. I will be 50 this year and I get on this game (and some others) to race all the time. LOL
 
doflamingo13
Because the AI itself is dirty as ****. Very often AI loves to ram you
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Really? My game must be broken. I can turn on the assist driving line and watch most of the AI cars follow it nearly perfectly. I can count on 1 hand the number of times an AI car has hit me and most of the time it due to me poking my nose in and trying to get by with something I probably shouldn't/wouldn't do in online racing.
 
Timm Sheehan
Really? My game must be broken. I can turn on the assist driving line and watch most of the AI cars follow it nearly perfectly. I can count on 1 hand the number of times an AI car has hit me and most of the time it due to me poking my nose in and trying to get by with something I probably shouldn't/wouldn't do in online racing.
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Well in my experience I had many times the AI bumped me when I was drifting so I was kicked out out of track or ram me hard in the straight line and causing me to spin out
 
doflamingo13
Well in my experience I had many times the AI bumped me when I was drifting so I was kicked out out of track or ram me hard in the straight line and causing me to spin out
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Sorry to hear that. How did you get the AI cars to work while you were drifting? Or are you talking about drifting during a race?
 
Timm Sheehan
Or are you talking about drifting during a race?
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I'd guess this. Before I was a good enough driver to realise the AI suck at driving, they were doing a really good job of trying to indoctrinate me with the "punt to pass" mentality because they suck at avoiding slower cars. I'd get by them with a "desperation" move then they'd turn in on me, force me wide at exit, punt me at apex, whatever. They are sort of OK at avoiding on straights, but in braking and turn areas they stick to their line regardless of the circumstances.
 
The_Tullster
. . . I'd get by them with a "desperation" move then they'd turn in on me, force me wide at exit, punt me at apex, whatever.
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So these were moves like poking your nose in and trying to get by with something you probably shouldn't/wouldn't do in online racing? Result was getting hit by an AI car? Same same for me.

The_Tullster
. . . They are sort of OK at avoiding on straights, but in braking and turn areas they stick to their line regardless of the circumstances.
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Exactly what I have learned too, the AI cars follow that assist driving/racing line nearly perfectly hence making them very predictable. That makes it easier to drive/practice with than with real "online" drivers who predictable driving is hard to determine in these typically short races. It does make it hard to have a realistic practice for online racing though.
 
PhantomPS3
What ticks me off is when a car is behind you and believes that he has right of way into the next corner by dive bombing you, using your car as a cornering aid. IRW racing , nobody that's one car length behind would ever attempt to pass a car by dive bombing on the inside to a corner....
All my overtakes are faster exit speeds and slipstream.
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This isn't going to help with divebombing, but....if he's on your radar...
This is where the close radar and the rules of racing come in handy. If your opponent doesn't have 1/2 a car length on you, and you take the line, it's usually problem solved

:) No penalty either :)
 
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zortation
This isn't going to help with divebombing, but....if he's on your radar...
This is where the close radar and the rules of racing come in handy. If your opponent doesn't have 1/2 a car length on you, and you take the line, it's usually problem solved

:) No penalty either :)
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I apparently am not using the radar correctly because I never see the divebombers on the radar - usually because I am focusing in the middle of executing the corner myself without causing too much pain to others. They just appear out of nowhere - BAM!!
 

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