Why can't we be clean?

Discussion in 'Gran Turismo Sport' started by dabz343, Jul 24, 2020.

  1. dabz343

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    If 11 year olds can do it IRL, WTF is the disfunction with many of GTS' players?

    Racing starts at 2:19

     
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  2. Ledbetter

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    Ego, frustration, selfishness. I still try my best. I accidentally knocked a guy out of a corner, and when I pulled to the right to give him his place back, he was very surprised. Thanked me after the race. That’s what I like.
     
  3. HaydenFan69

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    Those kids have parents who are saying to them, "You crash this week, you are done." That level of fear conditions those who really want to do this sport to be better drivers. Plus the creating of hero's from those who are questionable on track leads those to think anyone can do it. Yet they fail to see those guys have years and thousands of hours of practice in order to have the ability to make that pass. Drive feet off the back of a car lap after lap.
     
  4. tonybarnaby

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    I’m nearly 40 and resisted GT Sport until recently. Playing online was something I didn’t ever care to do. I read that GT Sport had a new offline mode. If only I had realized how crappy it was (start last and try to catch the first place car with a huge lead) I wouldn’t have bothered.

    I played online for a while, but it’s just not fun for me. I can’t run the lines I want to run, because most racers are completely unpredictable. The penalty system is a joke, and too often the victim gets the penalty. I’m sure iracing is better, but I have limited time and don’t want to invest in a pc just for one racing game. That’s why I’m so hopeful that ACC can adjust the frame rate on ps5. That is the best racing I have EVER experienced in my life, and it’s against AI who are both fair and predictable. The average GT Sport racer is playing on their couch and treats each position as if it’s do or die. I’m not good enough (nor have the time) to run fia, but I still read the fia thread on here. Even there, the best of the best are routinely taken out, punted, blocked and cheated out of a fair and clean race. Hell, 1 Ferrari driver took out the other in a recent F1 race! There’s almost no hope for clean online racing. The offline mode in GT is catered to even the slowest racers, and it’s not even a real race to have you start in last place and try to pick off the slow AI drivers 1 by 1 before you run out of laps. Too bad, because it’s the perfect simcade kind of game but you can’t get a real race online or offline.
     
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  5. mirial

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    Since the start I've been saying it's because PD have chosen to make the game accessible and to level the playing field which discourages discipline and only encourages bad driving habits from day one which harden with time. It's still surprising PD being Japanese, that they ever chose this philosophy given they are a very disciplined people and aspire to create things that are of good quality.

    Kids starting off in a 10-15 HP kart from day one with real wheel braking requires immediate discipline to avoid crashing, never mind being fast. The difficulty would seem to be a stimulus for those doing karting, whereas the difficulty with a real sim is a hurdle and source of pain to the gamer.
     
  6. Redneckchef

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    I think it is a combo of many things. People don't have injury on the line in these races. For most of us we will never meet our competitors in person. Nothing to worry about there. Ratings can be manipulated with careful planning. Penalty system can be manipulated, and for quite a while there actually rewarded dirty driving.

    And the Gran Turismo AI. All along punting cars, pushing them wide and being hit plenty from the AI was a problem on the GT series. How people were suddenly supposed to switch from that barge and bash type of driving to super smooth without a serious rewrite of the whole system is a mystery.

    In the end we choose to be clean or not. I am currently recovering from a reset that I got in part because I was considered the problem in incidents solely because I had a higher DR. I did fight back, and am paying the price for it. But I choose to fight clean unless all other options are gone in the majority of cases. We just need to convince others of this.
     
  7. sirjim73

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    Why can't we be clean...?

    Run out of soap... :sly:
     
  8. sevetyone

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    I do my very best to run clean races be that online or against the AI but when you're in a lobby with questionable other drivers who dive punt and block it just gets frustrating , I had chance to get into a good lobby last week had around 13/15 players mostly good clean driving except for one guy who for unknown reasons kept running me off track or punting , anyway after about four races with different tracks I had had enough the next time he pushed me I took revenge , just happened to be on Brands , I gave him a gentle nudge at (I don't know the corners name) the hairpin at beginning of track he went right into the gravel .
    Anyway turns out he was room owner he took it badly and kicked me out , Muppet .

    So clean is best but if it turns nasty just leave the track that's my philosophy.
     
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  9. JayRS200

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    It's a computer game.
     
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  10. Ryan Sandall

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    I've done roughly 1500 races on Gtsport and I'd say maximum 50 have had proper dirty drivers in them
    Most of them are clean
    There are a lot of factors, and it can also be to do with your attitude as well as what they are doing
    If you go in thinking it's all dumb everyone's dirty and whatever your probably not gonna find the clean racing and only focus on when someone does something you don't like

    Tbh for what it is, gtsport gives some of the best racing for the best value for money I've had
    The penalty system can be hugely frustrating though, and now it can be worse due to it noticing things that didn't matter before like little taps in the rear which can be so subtle
    But hey it's non contact so we try our best to avoid it
    But overall it's got a great feel, the hardest drivers to over come are the ones that can't admit defeat into a turn, for example you get on the inside they still turn in on you that kind of thing,
    But then you just gotta be creative or aggressive make it stick and get away

    If your worried about Dr and Sr make a back up account and enjoy yourself don't get wound up then save the high level racing for the main and fun and care free for the back up
     
  11. ShiftingGears

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    It's quite simple, there's no real consequences when being dirty in a game.

    Do it in real life and you might get yourself banned for a long time or injured or killed
     
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    Some people enjoy driving dirty, & PD doesn't cater to them. Dirty Shuffle lobbies were immensely popular in GT5, but they seem to be unaware of that fact. Trying to force everyone to drive to the same standards, and with a broken penalty system to boot, when different people have wildly varying racing preferences is a recipe for disaster (as is putting all ages & skill levels together out on the same track). Destruction derby/banger racing exists in the real world, as does aggressive BTCC style racing & Rally Cross, etc, & GT fans come from all kinds of different backgrounds having a wide range of tastes when it comes to what motorsports they follow in real life. PD's "optimistic" approach to Sport Mode reminds me of a Zoo owner who decides that all the animals should be put together in one large enclosure so that they can get along & play nicely with one another!


    :lol:
     
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  13. JudegeBerry

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    Good points.

    Have some stock car racing on dirt tracks with a different penalty system in place to that used for the regular racing. It could be a lot of fun. Damage model would also help for this.
     
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  14. kilesa4568

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    I don't like to see dirty driving but I can't sink to that level as a protest against it any more. It just feels wrong.

    It's often entertaining watching how much punishment people will take before they react though.:lol:
     
  15. Ledbetter

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    No meaningful consequences seems to encourage dirty driving, along with frustration. It occurred to me that a lot of frustration could be avoided if players actually prepared themselves for live competition. Before I did any on-line racing in GT6, I made sure I could get gold in every single-player race. A lot of people seem unprepared for the level of competition in some rooms.
     
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  16. HaydenFan69

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    From the Nation’s Cup race from SSRX, I don’t know if I’d call it dirty driving. Just bad driving. Drivers a bit impatient or overconfident in their skills. Even from a blocking standpoint, they aren’t necessarily malicious, just not very good with other drivers next to them on the track.
     
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  17. Ledbetter

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    What do you think of requiring players to complete driving school and a series of preparatory races before beginning online competition?
     
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    I would say, online tracks only unlock after completing the circuit experience for the trak you want to race on. It was kinda annoying that PD only added the circuit experience for new tracks in the update after introducing the track. But it would be a good requirement, gold it to race in sport mode on that track. (Although I guess races on the Nordschleife would be very low in attendance lol)

    Or if not completed, restricted to SR.E SR.D SR.C matching.
    Completed on bronze, up to SR.B matching.
    Silver, SR.A matching at most.
    Gold, SR.S unlocks for that track.
     
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  19. The_Tullster

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    In my experience there are many who don't care about injury in the real world. Don't even think about scratching their car though.... maybe that would help, if your car is damaged you must spend in game credit to repair it....?
     
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  20. JudegeBerry

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    Or match make in 2 stages - first by best qualifying time on track and SR (so everyone is very closely matched) and then have qualifying laps FIA style to determine grid order.
     
  21. zortation

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    A lot of guys just don't know some of the basic rules of racing, like who has the corner when passing on the inside.

    A lot more guys don't bother to learn the track and they rely on dirty tactics instead of skill.
     
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  22. dlshearon

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    :lol: I was thinking toilet paper shortage.

    Like many said, it is a game and not all can be consistent. Then there are the crazy drivers who drink and race.:dopey::dunce:
     
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