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People ban driving aids as they interfere too much (apart from ABS), having them off makes the game more enjoyable and they want everyone on a level playing field in a race.
 
sid_chiclana
You may be right there bro, as some people really struggle with that one :(
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I come from forza and I used to play first with a controller and then with a steering wheel and with both of them I was able to don't use the abs. Instead of on GT6 you must use ABS with the controller, it is impossible without and with the steering controller I can do it but you can't win if people use it at 1 with you in the race honestly.
 
I'm using an old Driving Force Pro wheel/pedal setup, and the brake pedal has a spring which is very soft and very hard to dose correctly. Therefore I always use ABS in GT.

BTW: My dad hated ABS when it first arrived many years ago, and postulated that he could brake better without it, but a lot has happened since. Today I'd give the advantage to ABS over dad's sensitive foot anytime. Sorry dad ;)

Lately I've started to fool around with TC, using the philosophy of the OP. I mean if the car has TC in real life, why not try to simulate that in the game? It's all just simulation anyhow. However I try to adjust the TC, so that I can still drift the car slightly.

SRF is kind of cheating I think, but it does give me better lap times in many cases. Like ESP it makes RWD cars less fun to drive though, and I rarely use it. GT is all about having fun!

Anyways I'll vote for the "whatever rocks your boat" idea :)
 
Bisse_B
I'm using an old Driving Force Pro wheel/pedal setup, and the brake pedal has a spring which is very soft and very hard to dose correctly. Therefore I always use ABS in GT.

BTW: My dad hated ABS when it first arrived many years ago, and postulated that he could brake better without it, but a lot has happened since. Today I'd give the advantage to ABS over dad's sensitive foot anytime. Sorry dad ;)

Lately I've started to fool around with TC, using the philosophy of the OP. I mean if the car has TC in real life, why not try to simulate that in the game? It's all just simulation anyhow. However I try to adjust the TC, so that I can still drift the car slightly.

SRF is kind of cheating I think, but it does give me better lap times in many cases. Like ESP it makes RWD cars less fun to drive though, and I rarely use it. GT is all about having fun!

Anyways I'll vote for the "whatever rocks your boat" idea :)
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Driving force Pro also ;)
 
JAHHAJ
People ban driving aids as they interfere too much (apart from ABS), having them off makes the game more enjoyable and they want everyone on a level playing field in a race.
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You mean, the Tiny minority of players who oppose aids want to ban aids, and you mean that for people who prefer not to use them and want to ban them for others, it would make *their experience more fun (ie exclusive). And level playing field is subjective as well.

Interesting point of note. In the X-Bow superlap, I'm running at about 1:07 with ABS=1 no other aids... (In other words, I got the gold using the "rules" set by the Army of Officious Commissars). Based on the values I see around me, ie, SRF on, TCS usage, Active steering, if not for aids, there'd be about two thousand of 4 or 5 million paying customers who could metal in these seasonal time trials (approximately 0.05% of paying players). That seems fair doesn't it? Not.
 
JAHHAJ
People ban driving aids as they interfere too much (apart from ABS), having them off makes the game more enjoyable and they want everyone on a level playing field in a race.
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I would respectfully say that this statement is your opinion, not a fact. More enjoyable for you is not the same for all drivers.

The idea of banning aids creates a levels the playing field is rubbish. The addition of aids does not hurt competition. Let me explain.

It is widely stated and I believe accepted, that some aids actually slow you down. I have found that myself with ASM. So it is fair to say that quick drivers, the fast guys who want to win, don't need aids.

If that point is agreed upon, then logic dictates that the use of aids limits your speed, or makes you slower. So slow drivers wont be faster with the use of these aids.

So why would fast drivers object to competitors using an aid that slows them down. It is an illogical argument.

The point of the OP is that banning aids in a race simulation, with cars that are equipped with aids, is at odds with the desire for drivers to create a realistic experience. To suggest that the ban is in place because of fears of an unfair advantage is not true. The fast drivers have nothing to fear because the aids won't help slow drivers win.
 
Daniel Pinho
ABS included?
I just hate ABS=1, so I was wondering if I would be competitive with ABS off.
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Depends on the car. It'll affect cars without downforce or on road tyres differently to those on race tyres and with downforce. If we had proper brake bias adjustment in GT6, ABS would be a useful tuning tool to go with it, you can often get away with more rear bias by running a little more ABS in other games.
 
The Renault Laguna GT also got active steering (4 direction wheel called Active Drive). There's tons of drivings aids irl but not such thing as SRF I think.

SRF is magical.
 
Because aids off makes the races more exciting as it increases the risk for driver mistakes. Also, if you're good at driving without any aids you might want to prohibit them to get an advantage over less experienced gamers.

Personally I don't host lobbies because my connection is not too good, but I always run without aids because I think that the car feels more alive that way and that's more fun for me. If it causes me to spin out and finish last, so be it. Better to finish last and have fun while doing it than to win and be slightly bored.
 
86Debris86
Using T/C and ABS is fine but show me a real life car with "Skid Recovery Force" or "Active Steering" as it's implemented in GT. Or even at all.
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Why?

Because the host of the room feels it puts more emphasis on the driver/player to actually drive the car.
Because the host feels it is more fun when you have to control the throttle and brake yourself, rather than relying on the game to do so for you.
Because the host feels it makes the races more entertaining (whether than be due to greater number of mistakes being made, or because of the "player not computer" thing previously mentioned, or other reasons)
Because the host feels people who use aids are not as good, and so would like to keep them out the room.
Because the host feels it is more realistic to drive this way, at least for the cars currently being used.

Take your pick...

In my opinion, all aids off (including ABS) is better due to points 1,2 and 3 above (I disagree with 4), and in some cases 5 (e.g. Super GT, and many Supercars where aids can be switched off in reality). If people who share the same opinion as me wish to race against people under equal conditions then who are you guys to judge? There are plenty of rooms out there with aids permitted.
 
Spinodontosaur4
Why?

Because the host of the room feels it puts more emphasis on the driver/player to actually drive the car.
Because the host feels it is more fun when you have to control the throttle and brake yourself, rather than relying on the game to do so for you.
Because the host feels it makes the races more entertaining (whether than be due to greater number of mistakes being made, or because of the "player not computer" thing previously mentioned, or other reasons)
Because the host feels people who use aids are not as good, and so would like to keep them out the room.
Because the host feels it is more realistic to drive this way, at least for the cars currently being used.

Take your pick...

In my opinion, all aids off (including ABS) is better due to points 1,2 and 3 above (I disagree with 4), and in some cases 5 (e.g. Super GT, and many Supercars where aids can be switched off in reality). If people who share the same opinion as me wish to race against people under equal conditions then who are you guys to judge? There are plenty of rooms out there with aids permitted.
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I'm actually looking for one with all it off, heavy damage and without Soft tyres. Any tips?
 
Competitive racing can be had with all aids on or just with skid recovery off. Fast drivers with SR off, are even faster with it on. Guys that complain about cars having too much grip, are not driving at the software limit. Some people probably see it has some virtual badge of honor to say "I don't use any aids". With the range of system peripherals, who really knows what others are actually using. Some wheels and pedal systems are better than others.
 
JMR450
I would respectfully say that this statement is your opinion, not a fact. More enjoyable for you is not the same for all drivers.
The idea of banning aids creates a levels the playing field is rubbish. The addition of aids does not hurt competition. Let me explain.
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Which is true but I never stated it as a fact. It can create a level playing field if say I was in a race where everyone is pretty much the same high skill level but some people have driver aids on for whatever reason that would make it an un level playing field as the people not using traction control will probably be quicker than the people using traction control.
 
JAHHAJ
Which is true but I never stated it as a fact. It can create a level playing field if say I was in a race where everyone is pretty much the same high skill level but some people have driver aids on for whatever reason that would make it an un level playing field as the people not using traction control will probably be quicker than the people using traction control.
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If you read my post you will find your reasoning of a level playing field is illogical. In your example here the people using TC would turn it off. I'm sorry but your argument defies logic.
 
I just prefer the feel of no ABS and TCS. I'm slow for sure, but I have more fun. To me ABS feels like you can just stomp the brake and turn in, doing this with no ABS would have the car facing backwards, so you have to work a lot more to drive the car.

When I host a track day room, I allow both ABS, and TCS, I don't care if people set times I can't get close to, especially as we are all using different cars.
When I host races, I usually ban everything, or just allow TCS, so that everyone is in the same situation. The most skilled driver (rarely me) will still be the winner, but I will have had fun, and so will everyone else who gets the same enjoyment that I do from no aids. Those who prefer aids will be having fun in other rooms. Seems all good to me.
 
Greg330im
Whoever goes on track with TCS or ESP ON does not deserve to be on that track. Nurburgring included.

but then again ... on a track ... its about driving not cumputer aids. e more carefull and you have lessa tendency to overpower bends and go in grass to spin out.
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Anybody who goes onto a public internet forum and spells computer "cumputer" (not to mention dozens of other lazy typos), probably does not deserve to be on that forum. ;)
 
ABS, TCS an ASM are all available on most modern road cars, but Spin Recovery Force is not as this is GT's version of "Gods hand" that magically push you back on the "right path" by removing the laws if physics for long enough to let the car find it's grip and balance. Many seem to think that ASM=SRF while the fact is that ASM still obey the laws of the virtual nature while SRF is "Need for speed" mode where pedal to the metal is the order of the day through 40 feet radius u-turns.
 
Basically, the less assists the more control you have over the car.
You can make minor adjustments that you just can't with ASM for example but more control = more chance of spinning out/losing control.

So, the less assists = better car control = better at GT6.
 
phil_75
Basically, the less assists the more control you have over the car.
You can make minor adjustments that you just can't with ASM for example but more control = more chance of spinning out/losing control.

So, the less assists = better car control = better at GT6.
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I'm traying ABS=0 since yesterday's post and have to say it's a grown boys toy.
Far way better and challenging and realistic.
You have to stay focused all the time, and all tunning makes diference when it's you on brakes instead "machine break".
I was driving this way and wondering that it's completely acceptable to play like this online because it won't transform any turn in a pass point, you have to plan first.

Any one have being racing all off so far?

PS.: Sorry about any mistakes, my english isn't that good.
 
Daniel Pinho
I'm traying ABS=0 since yesterday's post and have to say it's a grown boys toy.
Far way better and challenging and realistic.
You have to stay focused all the time, and all tunning makes diference when it's you on brakes instead "machine break".
I was driving this way and wondering that it's completely acceptable to play like this online because it won't transform any turn in a pass point, you have to plan first.

Any one have being racing all off so far?

PS.: Sorry about any mistakes, my english isn't that good.
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ABS is the one most people turn off last or not at all.
It is very tricky with it off, especially on DS3.

PS, Your English is very good. ;)
 
phil_75
ABS is the one most people turn off last or not at all.
It is very tricky with it off, especially on DS3.

PS, Your English is very good. ;)
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I'd turn ABS off completely if it wasn't for my oafish hands and a lack of sensitivity with L2
 
JMR450
If you read my post you will find your reasoning of a level playing field is illogical. In your example here the people using TC would turn it off. I'm sorry but your argument defies logic.
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I did read your post and in my opinion there are times (be them very very few) where having everyone not using traction control can/might get everyone on a level playing field. I do see what your are saying though and maybe my argument doesn't have any logic but this is my opinion.
 
It's more fun with no assists. You can feel the car more, it's more challenging. It makes races more unpredictable.

Regardless of how fast / slow they make you, or what cars have them in real life, people just like forcing them off because they prefer driving that way.
 

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