Why don't GT7 (Kazunori Yamauchi) add GT3 and GT4 cars?

[dodi280]

I'm posting this to try to get the GT7 team's attention because it seems like GT7 is falling behind in the most important simulator categories.

Why aren't they adding recent GT3 and GT4 cars? Why do several brands have real cars, but GT7 has fake GT3 cars of the same make or model?

For example, Ferrari has been using the Ferrari 296 for over two years, and had the 488 GT3 for several years. These cars exist in dozens of simulators, and in GT7 we only have a different version of the 458, a 2009 car... This is completely ridiculous! Especially in a current market where there are dozens of simulators, with updated cars from the last five years, and in GT7 the best we have is a 2009 car?

GT7, with its various car updates (some ridiculous), could very well add these cars. I see many players abandoning the game because they are finding better alternatives in other games.

If I'm not mistaken, the most recent real GT3 car from Gt7 is from 2020 and is no longer used in reality, that is, we have a driving simulation game (not so much), but it does not simulate the current categories and real cars at all.

Am I the only one who thinks this?

 

[Fezzik]

They realised that other games do racing cars and events much better, and so have abandoned the whole idea.

 

[dodi280]

They realised that other games do racing cars and events much better, and so have abandoned the whole idea.

Gran Turismo World Series 2025 makes me think you're wrong... GT7 is just really relaxed and doesn't care about the players' opinions...

 

[Famine]

Am I the only one who thinks this?

No, and it takes only a little look about the forums to spot that.

It's a well-trodden path, but ultimately it seems that PD isn't that interested in adding the same GT3 cars that every other racing game has.

In any case all that'd happen is that the new car gets BOPped into the place of the old one and the old one gets BOPped into oblivion. You'll still have the same dozen competitive ones, the same dozen outsiders, and the same 30 weird/totally unused ones.

GT7 has a higher percentage of racing cars in its roster than all but one game in GT history - GT Sport - and in fact more than double the next entry. It should come as little surprise that they aren't the focus of updates.

 

[snc]

I'm posting this to try to get the GT7 team's attention because it seems like GT7 is falling behind in the most important simulator categories.

Why aren't they adding recent GT3 and GT4 cars? Why do several brands have real cars, but GT7 has fake GT3 cars of the same make or model?

For example, Ferrari has been using the Ferrari 296 for over two years, and had the 488 GT3 for several years. These cars exist in dozens of simulators, and in GT7 we only have a different version of the 458, a 2009 car... This is completely ridiculous! Especially in a current market where there are dozens of simulators, with updated cars from the last five years, and in GT7 the best we have is a 2009 car?

GT7, with its various car updates (some ridiculous), could very well add these cars. I see many players abandoning the game because they are finding better alternatives in other games.

If I'm not mistaken, the most recent real GT3 car from Gt7 is from 2020 and is no longer used in reality, that is, we have a driving simulation game (not so much), but it does not simulate the current categories and real cars at all.

Am I the only one who thinks this?

Also why no new (and not even new as we didnt get sf90 from 2019 and Ferrari already announced replacement) sports and hyper cars from Bmw, Mercedes, Ferrari, Mclaren... and why no Koenigsegg etc Generally they lacking in modern cars content, not only racing.

 

[Famine]

Also why no...

Oh cool, we're back to just spaffing wishlists into random threads rather than anywhere useful.

Let's don't.

Thread 'The Gran Turismo Car & Track Wishlist Thread...'

Jan 26, 2024

It seems that making wishlists is a particularly popular hobby for many of you

No matter what the thread may be, someone, somehow, seems to shoehorn a list of cars and/or tracks that they'd like in the game into it - and we have more than one thread that's basically a wishlist with extra steps (all-new cars, fantasy cars, pick your DLC pack, etc.).

So... now you can post them in this thread.


We're going to need some ground rules though...

Firstly, bear in mind GTPlanet's FAQ: our rules "remind everyone to put a little more thought into what they’re contributing to the...

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[TheCracker]

I'm posting this to try to get the GT7 team's attention because it seems like GT7 is falling behind in the most important simulator categories.

Why aren't they adding recent GT3 and GT4 cars? Why do several brands have real cars, but GT7 has fake GT3 cars of the same make or model?

For example, Ferrari has been using the Ferrari 296 for over two years, and had the 488 GT3 for several years. These cars exist in dozens of simulators, and in GT7 we only have a different version of the 458, a 2009 car... This is completely ridiculous! Especially in a current market where there are dozens of simulators, with updated cars from the last five years, and in GT7 the best we have is a 2009 car?

GT7, with its various car updates (some ridiculous), could very well add these cars. I see many players abandoning the game because they are finding better alternatives in other games.

If I'm not mistaken, the most recent real GT3 car from Gt7 is from 2020 and is no longer used in reality, that is, we have a driving simulation game (not so much), but it does not simulate the current categories and real cars at all.

Am I the only one who thinks this?

At its heart, Gran Turismo is a driving simulator game that tries to cover a wide range of automotive interests. Its always been as much about the mundane and everyday as it has the more exotic side including racing cars. I'ts also just as much about tuning and customisation as it is pure racing. As others have pointed out, there are so many GT3 simulators/games around at the moment, if Gran Turismo went chasing them it would loose out as they're much more focused towards that aspect. GT would stop being what it always has been and would just get lost in the crowd.

 

[snc]

At its heart, Gran Turismo is a driving simulator game that tries to cover a wide range of automotive interests. Its always been as much about the mundane and everyday as it has the more exotic side including racing cars. I'ts also just as much about tuning and customisation as it is pure racing. As others have pointed out, there are so many GT3 simulators/games around at the moment, if Gran Turismo went chasing them it would loose out as they're much more focused towards that aspect. GT would stop being what it always has been and would just get lost in the crowd.

For sure gt would get lost in the crowd if it has more up to date cars roaster (not only racing as they are also far behind in sports and hyper road cars) lmao ;d

 

[PwnusWagner]

Look, would I love to have the updated GT3 cars? Yes.

But it's the Real Driving Simulator, not the Real Racing Simulator. The whole ethos of the series is that yes you can go to world famous race tracks and drive race cars. Or you can tune up some obscure french van with a giant spoiler and NOS and drive against Rav 4's if that's your thing.

ACC exists on PS5 and is a great GT3 simulator.

 

[Fezzik]

ACC exists on PS5 and is a great GT3 simulator.

Rennsport, Project Motor Racing as well soon if they want the latest models. Some others next year. There are alternative options coming now on PS5 and that’s always a good thing.

 

[05XR8]

The GT4 cars haven’t been used in a World Tour event in I can’t remember how long ago. Last Gr.4 car added, the Gr.4 Mazda3, isn’t even a GT4 car.

The cars in GT7 are all more suited to Super Taikyu than full on GT category racing. Build a race car from a road car to go endurance racing.

 

[Lomic]

Or you can tune up some obscure french van with a giant spoiler and NOS and drive against Rav 4's if that's your thing.

Or you can not tune anything and enjoy many cars stock, from various types. I have a blast driving "regular" cars without tuning on many tracks.

I'd appreciate getting new GTs, race cars, super/hypercars, but I have plenty to have fun already. Last sunday was a blast with Clio V6 on dirt, next sunday will be Porsche Spyder 55 and will be a blast too.

 

[RACECAR]

If I'm not mistaken, the most recent real GT3 car from Gt7 is from 2020 and is no longer used in reality, that is, we have a driving simulation game (not so much), but it does not simulate the current categories and real cars at all.

That is Incorrect.

From the recent real life Suzuka 1000 KM AND this past weekend's Battle On The Bricks:

And given the current participation of it in the World Endurance Championship, The European Le Mans Series, the Asian Le Mans Series, Super Taikyu and Super GT as well as the regional variants of Pirelli World Challenge as well as the NLS AND DTM, safe to say THAT is completely false.

 

[Jeje6410]

Or you can not tune anything and enjoy many cars stock, from various types. I have a blast driving "regular" cars without tuning on many tracks.

I'd appreciate getting new GTs, race cars, super/hypercars, but I have plenty to have fun already. Last sunday was a blast with Clio V6 on dirt, next sunday will be Porsche Spyder 55 and will be a blast too.

100% agree with you my friend.
if you want GT3 and GT4 there is Rennsport, LMU which will arrive and ACC.

 

[Darla Starch]

Oh cool, we're back to just spaffing wishlists into random threads rather than anywhere useful.

Let's don't.

I'm surprised it took this long for the inevitable wishlist featuring [EUROPEAN AND JAPANESE SPORTSCAR AND SUPERCAR].

As for the topic in question, the market's saturated with HARDCORE GT3 RACER at present

 

[Pianista911]

While it is ok in Gran Turismo, there are games better suited for GT3/GT4 racing and I don't mean abscence or presence of those cars, but rather other 'sim' gameplay elements. Personally I would prefer GT to have more cars I can see on public roads (eg. BMW Ms, Audi S and RS) than current lineup of GT3 championship, but.. if PD announces GT8 with all the same cars GT7 has and never adds another one, but they build proper career mode, implement Sophy to all offline game modes and add some nice Cote'd'Azure-style track for cruising and take more care about VR players wishes, I'm more than happy.

 

[PlanetJanet]

GT7 would be a better game if it had all the latest GT3 cars. Full stop.

But it comes down to possiblity and priority, i.e. what can they get licenses for, and where do they want to allocate their limited resources. Very few of us know what licensing discussions they've had, and priority is very much a personal preference; we would all prioritise different things.

PD's priorities are pretty clear, imo, and it ain't the latest GT cars. Perfectly understandable if not everyone likes it, but it is what it is - other games are available.

 

[ArronWestley]

I suspect it's because, with an ongoing GTWS, it's no use adding new cars which will have to be balanced against the existing cars and might not even be able to be used in the current championship.

Also, licensing.

 

[jonoholland29]

If you’ve made Dr Pepper (which came first), why should you make it more like Pepsi/Coke

Dr Pepper is great, let it be Dr Pepper.

 

[Famine]

If you’ve made Dr Pepper (which came first), why should you make it more like Pepsi/Coke

Dr Pepper is great, let it be Dr Pepper.

Gran Tu-rismo, so mis-understood.

 

[VXR]

Oh, go and play any number of dedicated racing sims already. I fell in love with Gran Turismo for the Japanese road cars other games in the 90s rarely touched upon. Racing series games have their place and it's well away from me.

 

[Ryan81]

I think it ultimately boils down to PD/Kaz's personal preferences. He doesn't seem to be particularly interested in GT3 and GT4 cars. Perhaps because so many other racing games have already added them? But then, how many racing games have added rare gems like the Nismo 400R and the R34 Skyline Z-Tune?
Personally, in a game like GT7, I don't really want GT3 and GT4 cars. Just me, though.

 

[05XR8]

Why wouldn’t he be interested in GT3 cars when he raced one? Plus, GT4 cars have been gaining popularity for many years and PD saw fit to make some Gr.4 models that manufacturers hadn’t even made their own versions before GT Sport.

I really have no idea nd don’t know why we’re not seeing up to date models. Even though PD sponsor many types of racing events that feature GT cars.

 

[daan]

I don't see what difference it makes whither the GT3/GT4 cars are old or current. Current GT3 cars are only a couple of seconds a lap faster than they were 10 years ago, and when you're racing in it, particularly in bumper cam that most use, you could be driving anything.

It's also my opinion that if they change or update one car, they would have to change them all.

 

[VXR]

I don't see what difference it makes whither the GT3/GT4 cars are old or current. Current GT3 cars are only a couple of seconds a lap faster than they were 10 years ago, and when you're racing in it, particularly in bumper cam that most use, you could be driving anything.

It's also my opinion that if they change or update one car, they would have to change them all.

And for ESports, it's not like they're being constantly developed and need regular updating. They're ideally competitive, because they don't change.

 

[Nakano219]

Gran Turismo does not need to be on the treadmill of always having all the latest GT3 cars, but if your entire online offering is primarily based on the class, that's when it starts becoming more necessary. What they really need to do is get the car pipeline team and the team that updates Sport Mode in a room, and get them to either agree "Sport Mode is for GT3 cars, so let's start to add new GT3 cars so we don't look stale compared to <insert sim here>" or "we can't/won't add GT3 cars, so please change Sport Mode to use the car roster we actually have and have online synergise with the rest of the game". The problem is not the oldness of the GT3s so much as it is how much Sport Mode feels siloed from the rest of the game.

 

[Fezzik]

Gran Turismo does not need to be on the treadmill of always having all the latest GT3 cars, but if your entire online offering is primarily based on the class, that's when it starts becoming more necessary. What they really need to do is get the car pipeline team and the team that updates Sport Mode in a room, and get them to either agree "Sport Mode is for GT3 cars, so let's start to add new GT3 cars so we don't look stale compared to <insert sim here>" or "we can't/won't add GT3 cars, so please change Sport Mode to use the car roster we actually have and have online synergise with the rest of the game". The problem is not the oldness of the GT3s so much as it is how much Sport Mode feels siloed from the rest of the game.

Exactly. The Sport races I've enjoyed most recently use road cars like the Autobianchi or the Civics, but they are few and far between. Even the recent Nations Cup campaigns have devolved into using GT3s and the ever present horrid Red Bull. Racing the same Gr3s and Gr4s every week for 3 years has become incredibly boring.

 

[Lomic]

"we can't/won't add GT3 cars, so please change Sport Mode to use the car roster we actually have and have online synergise with the rest of the game"

Either without not wanting or being able to add newer GT3 cars, they really should use more various cars from the roster for daylies. They are able to do it for TTs, and our small Titans league have a blast every sunday while nearly never using race cars. They did a fantastic job in providing a wide array of cars that are extremely fun to drive, but they barely use their material.

 

[jimihemmy]

I will copy and paste what i have said before.....as far as GT4, most of those are GT "specials"

We will not get any new GT3 cars until GT8. All of the ones we have are what was available/homologated (and licensed) when GT Sport was being developed. I assume the Evo's we have were in active development at the time and were able to be licensed also.

 

[Famine]

Ferrari has been using the Ferrari 296 for over two years

Happy now?!

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